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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #75 on: December 29, 2019, 05:38:08 AM »
Question #12: If you love castles, this is the right time to prove it to Santa Claus. After completing the city, what will be the scoring for each player? Think carefully!





Answer #12:
* Blue scores 13 points for the city and the fairy
* Orange scores 0 points for the city
* Yellow scores 10 points for the city

Blue gets 10 points for the city (4 tiles x 2 points + 1 coat of arms x 2 points.) As Blue's meeple is next to the fairy, Blue gets 3 additional points for the fairy scoring bonus as well on completion of the city.

The fief of the two castles overlap the completed city so the castles are also scored. Each castle is elegible for the 10 points of the city scored by Blue:
* Orange scores 0 points since the mayor on a castle cannot score any points due to the lack of coats of arms in the castle.
* Yellow scores 10 points for the city. It cannot score the 3-point bonus as they are associated to the meeple, not to the city.
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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #76 on: December 29, 2019, 06:33:37 AM »
Question #13: Danisthirty is back with another challenge for you. He is completing a city with a watchtower. How many points are Red and Yellow scoring?





Answer #13:

So we will consider both rules versions valid, although I personally prefer the new ones that make more sense to me: every tile you place counts as 1 tile no matter it is a Halfling tile or a double-sized tile (German castle).

C1 Halfling rules

* Red scores 7 points for the watchtower.
* Yellow scores 8 points for the city

Red's meeple is placed on the watchtower tile and get the bonus: 1 point per tile with at least one road segment. After checking the watchtower tile and the tiles in the eight adjacent spaces, we find 7 tiles with roads segments, including two Halflings and one German castle tile. So the watchtower bonus is 7 points (7 tiles x 1 points per tile.)

On the other hand, Yellow's meeple placed on the hill breaks the tie for the majority so only Yellow scores the city (8 points = 3 tiles x 2 points + 1 coat of arms x 2 points.)

C2 Halfling rules

* Red scores 6 points for the watchtower.
* Yellow scores 8 points for the city

Red's meeple is placed on the watchtower tile and get the bonus: 1 point per tile with at least one road segment. After checking the watchtower tile and the tiles in the eight adjacent spaces, we find 6 tiles with roads segments, considering the two Halflings as one tile, and one German castle tile. So the watchtower bonus is 6 points (6 tiles x 1 points per tile.)

On the other hand, Yellow's meeple placed on the hill breaks the tie for the majority so only Yellow scores the city (8 points = 3 tiles x 2 points + 1 coat of arms x 2 points.)

Edit: Updated to reflect latest rules for C2.
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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #77 on: December 29, 2019, 07:03:02 AM »
Question #14: If you thought the Grinch was satisfied with his previous visit, you are completely wrong. Can you tell him what is the scoring for the road he just completed?





Answer #14:

So we will consider both rules versions valid, although I personally prefer the new ones that make more sense to me: every tile you place counts as 1 tile no matter it is a Halfling tile or a double-sized tile (German castle.)

C1 Halfling rules

* Blue scores 20 points
* Yellow scores 31 points

The road has 11 tiles:
* The RRRR tile with two curves is only counted once
* Two Halfling tiles are counted individually
* The German cathedral is counted as usual as there are not loops back to the tile.

The road also has a inn, the witch and a German castle.

The orden of evaluation for the road would be:
1. Core feature scoring provided by the feature itself (1 point per tile), the inn (1 additional point per tile) and the German cathedral (1 additional point per tile). This means 3 points per tile in all. The core feature scoring is 33 points (11 tiles x 3 points per tile)
2. Next, the witch modifier is applied next, so the road without bonuses would score 33 points halved, that is, 17 points (33 points /2 rounded up)
3. Finally, we apply the German castle bonus, so the road would score 20 points (17 points + 3 points for the German cathedral.)
Expressed with a formula, the road scores RoundUp(11 x 3 / 2) + 3 = 17 + 3 = 20 points.

Blue and Yellow score the road, that is, 20 points. Additionally, Yellow's meeple in the Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig gets a bonus equivalent to 1 points per road tile. So Yellow gets 11 additional points.

The bottomline: Blue scores 20 points and Yellow scores 31 points (20 points for the road and 11 points for meeple in Leipzig)

C2 Halfling rules

* Blue scores 18 points
* Yellow scores 28 points

The road has 10 tiles:
* The RRRR tile with two curves is only counted once
* Two Halfling tiles are counted as one tile together
* The German cathedral is counted as usual as there are not loops back to the tile.

The road also has a inn, the witch and a German castle.

The orden of evaluation for the road would be:
1. Core feature scoring provided by the feature itself (1 point per tile), the inn (1 additional point per tile) and the German cathedral (1 additional point per tile). This means 3 points per tile in all. The core feature scoring is 30 points (10 tiles x 3 points per tile)
2. Next, the witch modifier is applied next, so the road without bonuses would score 33 points halved, that is, 15 points (30 points /2 rounded up)
3. Finally, we apply the German cathedral bonus, so the road would score 28 points (15 points + 3 points for the German cathedral.)
Expressed with a formula, the road scores RoundUp(10 x 3 / 2) + 3 = 15 + 3 = 18 points.

Blue and Yellow score the road, that is, 18 points. Additionally, Yellow's meeple in the Wainwrights quarter in Leipzig gets a bonus equivalent to 1 points per road tile. So Yellow gets 10 additional points.

The bottomline: Blue scores 18 points and Yellow scores 28 points (18 points for the road and 10 points for the meeple in Leipzig.)

Edit: Updated to reflect latest rules for C2.
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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #78 on: December 29, 2019, 07:11:55 AM »
Question #15: The Gingerbread Man comes to the rescue with an easy one after the Grinch, right? He hopes you already recovered from yesterday's question.

So we have this nice completed road. Can help the Gingerbread Man with the scoring?





Answer #15:
* Red scores 4 points
* Yellow scores 4 points

Red scores the road as usual, that is, 4 points (4 tiles x 1 point per tile.)

On the other hand, the completed road surrounding the field with Yellow's shepherd triggers the scoring of its flock automatically (action Guide Flock to Stable). Yellow scores 4 points (4 sheep x 1 point.)

After scoring the flock, the shepherd is returned to its owner and the sheep tokens are put back into the bag.

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #79 on: December 29, 2019, 07:17:56 AM »
Question #16: The Snowman challenges you with a new scenario. Just for fun, he has placed an abbey tile to fill the hole in the city. How many points does each player score?





Answer #16:
* Yellow scores 2 points
* Red scores 18 points
* Green does not score, the abbey is incomplete.

The abbey tile fills the gap and creates 4 separate cities, two of which are occupied and have to be scored. The abbey is a different feature than the city so it is not scored as part of it. The scoring is as follows:
* Yellow scores 2 points for the 1-segment city (1 tile x 2 points)
* Red scores 18 points for the city with the cathedral (5 tiles x 3 points + 1 coat of arms x 3 points.)

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #80 on: December 29, 2019, 07:56:34 AM »
Scoring 13-December

Is that scoring correct?
Following the rules you can‘t place a meeple on watchtower. For me the red meeple is placed in the city and earns 8 points for the city and 7 points for the streets (watchtower scoring) . In total 15 points for red and 8 points for yellow or did I miss something?

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #81 on: December 29, 2019, 08:20:39 AM »
Scoring 13-December

Is that scoring correct?
Following the rules you can‘t place a meeple on watchtower. For me the red meeple is placed in the city and earns 8 points for the city and 7 points for the streets (watchtower scoring) . In total 15 points for red and 8 points for yellow or did I miss something?

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Hi Murphy013,

You cannot place meeples on Watchtowers but on city segments or road segments next to them.

When a feature (city or road) with watchtowers is completed, those meeples on segments on the watchtower tiles, if any, will score watchtowers bonuses. Then the feature will be scored as usual.

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #82 on: December 29, 2019, 08:37:12 AM »
Question #17: Santa Claus needs your help to evaluate this German monastery with a C1 abbot. How many points would Yellow score at the end of the game?





Answer #17:

So we will consider both rules versions valid, although I personally prefer the new ones that make more sense to me: every tile you place counts as 1 tile no matter it is a Halfling tile or a double-sized tile (German castle).

C1 Halfling and double-sized tile rules

Yellow scores 9 points.

Yellow would score 1 point for the German monastery tile and 1 additional point per tile in the columns and rows spanning from that tile until a empty space is found. Note that:
* Halfling tiles are counted individually.
* Triangular gaps are not considered as an empty space as there is a neighbouring Halfling tile.
* Double-sized tiles are counted as one tile (in this case we have German castle tiles.)

Bearing all this in mind, the German monastery scores 9 points as follows:
* German monastery tile: 1 point
* Column above: 2 points (2 tiles x 1 point), including one German castle
* Column below: 3 points (3 tiles x 1 point), including two Halflings in one square space
* Row to the left: 1 point (1 tile x 1 point), including one Halfling ocupying one square space. Note that the square space ends the row.
* Row to the right: 2 points (2 tiles x 1 point), including one Halfling ocupying one square space and a German castle.

C2 Halfling and double-sized tile rules

Yellow scores 9 points.

Yellow would score 1 point for the German monastery tile and 1 additional point per tile in the columns and rows spanning from that tile until a empty space is found. Note that:
* Two Halfling tiles are counted as one tile if placed on the same square , that is, as one occupied space.
* Triangular gaps are not considered as an empty space as there is a neighbouring Halfling tile.
* Double-sized tiles are counted as two spaces tile (in this case we have German castle tiles).

Bearing all this in mind, the German monastery scores 9 points as follows:
* German monastery tile: 1 point
* Column above: 2 points (2 spaces x 1 point), including one German castle
* Column below: 2 points (2 spaces x 1 point), including two Halflings in one square space considered as one tile together.
* Row to the left: 1 point (1 space x 1 point), including one Halfling ocupying one square space. Note that the square space ends the row.
* Row to the right: 3 points (3 spaces x 1 point), including one Halfling ocupying one square space and a German castle (two occupied spaces).

Edit: Updated to reflect latest rules for C2.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2021, 06:17:01 AM by Meepledrone »

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #83 on: December 29, 2019, 09:51:14 AM »
Question #18: Danisthirty also wanted to pay homage to his dear friend Decar, the author of countless sketches of scenarios with German castles, Halflings and barns, all of them tagged with a recurring question: "How many farms...?

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2649.0

So here you are Yellow's barn placed on the intersection of two Halflings and the long side of a German castle. Danisthirty needs your help to score this barn, the field occupied by Blue and the meeples in the City of Leipzig. Will you let him down?





Answer #18 (updated):
* Blue scores 6 points
* Yellow scores 8 points
* Red scores 0 points

Blue's meeple occupies a field with 2 completed cities, including Leipzig. Thus Blue scores 6 points for the field (2 cities x 3 points.)

Yellow's barn occupies a field with 2 completed cities, including Leipzig. Thus Yellow scores 8 points for the field (2 cities x 4 points). Although Yellow has a meeple in the Tanners Quarter in Leipzig, barns do not benefit from this bonus, so Yellow does not get any bonus points for the shed in the field with the barn.

Red has a meeple in the Tanners Quarter in the city of Leipzig but no farmers. As a result, Red gets no points.

No C1 cottages in the fields are considered. The house rule would affect only those standalone cottages not located at the end of a road.



Updated on April 7th, 2020

To my dismay, I realized that the Tanners Quarter bonus does not affect barns but only farmers. The answer to this question was updated. As a consequence, the scoring for this question would change, but the winner of the quiz stays the same. Sorry for any inconvenience.



Important notice from 1/2021: The clarifications from 1/2021 stated that the barn position in this example is no longer valid in C2.

https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5021.msg74239#msg74239

This barn placement was valid in C1 as per the clarifications from 10/2015, still in force when this quiz took place:

https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2125.msg29585#msg29585

Edit: Included note related to latest clarifications for C2.
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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #84 on: December 29, 2019, 10:05:56 AM »
Question #19: Surprise! The Grinch is back... If you thought you could scare him away last time, let me tell you that you got it all wrong. So how many points will get Yellow after the Grinch connects the fields?





Answer #19: Yellow scores 8 points.

The tile just placed connected two separate fields. The resulting field is occupied by several Yellow's figures: the barn, a farmer and the pig. The pig seems to be in a separate field but they get connected under the wooden bridge. As a consequence, we have to score the farmer and the pig according to connected-fields-with-barn scenario. The resulting field has:
* 1 besieged city
* 1 castle
* 1 Little Building

The field scores 8 points as follows:
* 1 besieged city: 4 points ( (1 point for the city + 1 point for the pig) x 2 for the siege)
* 1 castle:  3 points (2 points for the castle + 1 point for the pig)
* 1 Little Building: 1 point for the shed.

After the scoring the connected fields, the farmer and the pig will be removed.

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #85 on: December 29, 2019, 10:08:47 AM »
Question #20: The Gingerbread Man comes back with a new question. How many points will Blue score after completing the monastery? Don't panic! In case of doubt, he wants you to use the basic rules for Little Buildings.





Answer #20: Blue scores 11 points.

Blue will score 9 points for the completed monastery and 2 points for the Little Buildings on adjacent tiles (1 point for the shed and 1 point for the tower.) Little Buildings affect the whole tile, so the tower has to be considered even if it seems to be placed on a separate field.

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #86 on: December 29, 2019, 10:12:10 AM »
Question #21: The Snowman wants you to lean back and relax. Watchtowers and wooden bridges are no mystery to you by now. How many points do Red and Yellow score?





Answer #21:
* Red scores 7 poins
* Yellow scores 7 points

Red scores:
* 2 points for the watchtower (2 points for the coat of arms in the adjacent city under the wooden bridge).
* 5 points for the road including the wooden bridge (5 tiles x 1 point per tile)

Yellow scores:
* 3 points for the monastery (3 points for the monastery adjacent to the watchtower)
* 4 points for the small city (2 tiles x 2 points per tile)

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #87 on: December 29, 2019, 10:24:07 AM »
Question #22: Believe or not, by adding a tile, Santa Claus has completed this German castle. Halflings are a bit messy so please help him with the scoring. How many points will get Red with the C1 rules for Halflings?





Answer #22:

I'm requesting the answer for the new Halfling rules only: every tile you place counts as 1 tile no matter it is a Halfling tile or a double-sized tile (German castle).

C1 Halfling rules (requested answer)

Red scores 15 points.

The German castle is surrounded by 4 normal tiles and 9 Halflings. So Red will get 15 points (2 points for the German castle tile + 13 tiles x 1 point per tile.)

Note that a square space is considered full if it contains one or two Halfling tiles. Triangular gaps are ignored for this matter. 

C2 Halfling rules (not accepted in this case)

Red scores 12 points.

The German castle is surrounded by 10 spaces occupied by normal tiles, 1 Halfling tile or 2 Halflings tiles sharing the same space.. So Red will get 12 points (2 points for the German castle tile + 10 tiles x 1 point per tile.)

Note that a square space is considered full if it contains one or two Halfling tiles. Triangular gaps are ignored for this matter. 



Update on April 7th, 2020

This question was answered according to the rules in force in December 2019, based on the clarifications from 10/2015.

With the release of C2 Halflings, the rules for scoring monasteries have been updated back the the old rules from 2014. As a side effect, the scoring of German castles should follow suit. Bearing this in mind, the new new rules of 2020 would dictate that a completed German castle would score 12 points no matter the number surrounding it. 

The response according to the rules from 04/2020 is as follows:

Halfling rules from 2020 (not in force during the quiz)

Red scores 12 points.

The German castle is surrounded by 10 spaces occupied by normal tiles, 1 Halfling tile or 2 Halflings tiles sharing the same space. So Red will get 12 points (2 points for the German castle tile + 10 tiles x 1 point per occupied space).

Note that a square space is considered occupied if it contains one or two Halfling tiles. Triangular gaps are ignored for this matter. 

Edit: Updated to match the latest clarifications for C2.
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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #88 on: December 29, 2019, 10:36:46 AM »
Question #23: Danisthirty wanted to confer with the Yellow archbishop before Christmas, so here we are. By placing this last tile, the German cathedral will be completed. He wants to test you so please tell him the scoring for Yellow as soon as possible. Will you?





Answer #23: Yellow scores 26 points

The road network connected to the German cathedral contains a roundabout and several tunnels that connect the three road segments on the German cathedral. Analyzing the road network, we have to take into account the following elements:
- 7 road tiles
- 3 tunnel tiles that are considered only once for the road network
- 3 road segments on the German Cathedral counted independently
- 1 inn, so each tile and road segment on the German cathedral gets 2 points

So Yellow will score 26 points (10 tiles x 2 points + 3 road segments x 2 points)

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Re: Carcassonne Central: Advent Quiz MMXIX
« Reply #89 on: December 29, 2019, 10:48:08 AM »
Question #24: The Grinch completed the German castle with a circus space tile. So, in this case, you will have to score not only the German castle but also the big top. The token under the big top shows the number 4. The acrobats also want to be scored so the show is over after this.

How many points does each player score?





Answer #24:

Real game situation

Note: This is the correct answer if this scenario would be part of a real game, since figures are removed during scoring. Figure removal affects big top scoring.

* Yellow scores 20 points (28 points before 1/2021)
* Red scores 10 points
* Blue scores 4 points

Here is an explanation of the various layers of scoring taking place in this scenario:

1. Scoring the German castle:

* Yellow scores 15 points (12 points for the German castle + 3 points for the fairy)

2. Scoring the Ringmaster points (not applicable to German castles after clarification from 1/2021)

* Yellow scores 8 points (3 adjacent circus tiles x 2 points + 1 adjacent acrobat space x 2 points)

Action: The ringmaster is removed from the board.

3. Scoring the acrobats

* Red gets 5 points per acrobat (a normal meeple and a phantom), that is 10 points (2 meeples x 5 points)
* Yellow gets 5 points per acrobat (a phantom in this case), that is 5 points (1 meeple x 2 points.)

Action: The acrobats are removed from the board.

4. Scoring the big top

* Blue's farmer gets 4 points for the big top. Note that Yellow's ringmaster is not on the board at this point and the other figures in adjacent tiles cannot get points for the big top: the witch, the fairy, or Blue's pig are not followers so they are not elegible for the big top scoring.

The bottomline (after 1/2021):
* Yellow scores 20 points (15 points for the German castle and the fairy + 0 for the ringmaster bonus + 5 for the acrobat.)
* Red scores 10 points for the acrobats.
* Blue scores 4 points for the big top.

The bottomline (before 1/2021):
* Yellow scores 28 points (15 points for the German castle and the fairy + 8 for the ringmaster bonus + 5 for the acrobat.)
* Red scores 10 points for the acrobats.
* Blue scores 4 points for the big top.

Alternate evaluation not taking into account figure removal during scoring

Note: This is another valid answer for this limited scenario but it would be incorrect in a real game situation. Figure removal affects big top scoring.

* Yellow scores 24 points (32 points before 1/2021)
* Red scores 10 points
* Blue scores 4 points

Here is an explanation of the various layers of scoring taking place in this scenario:

1. Scoring the German castle:

* Yellow scores 15 points (12 points for the German castle + 3 points for the fairy)

2. Scoring the Ringmaster points (not applicable to German castles after clarification from 1/2021)

* Yellow scores 8 points (3 adjacent circus tiles x 2 points + 1 adjacent acrobat space x 2 points)

3. Scoring the acrobats

* Red gets 5 points per acrobat (a normal meeple and a phantom), that is 10 points (2 meeples x 5 points)
* Yellow gets 5 points per acrobat (a phantom in this case), that is 5 points (1 meeple x 2 points.)
 
4. Scoring the big top

* Yellow's ringmaster and Blue's farmer get 4 points each for the big top. Note that other figures in adjacent tiles cannot get points for the big top: the witch, the fairy, or Blue's pig are not followers so they are not elegible for the big top scoring.

The bottomline (after 1/2021):
* Yellow scores 24 points (15 points for the German castle and the fairy + 0 for the ringmaster bonus + 5 for the acrobat + 4 for the big top.)
* Red scores 10 points for the acrobats.
* Blue scores 4 points for the big top.

The bottomline (before 1/2021):
* Yellow scores 32 points (15 points for the German castle and the fairy + 8 for the ringmaster bonus + 5 for the acrobat + 4 for the big top.)
* Red scores 10 points for the acrobats.
* Blue scores 4 points for the big top.




Note: This scenario cannot happen at the end of the game as the Big Top has to move to the a new location with a new animal token underneath. If that tile is the last one in the game, the Big Top should be scored before the field with the blue farmer and the blue pig is scored.

Note 2: After the clarifications from 6/2021, phantoms cannot be acrobats, so this scenario is not completely valid anymore. Moreover, the ringmaster should not provide the ringmaster bonus when placed on the German castle (as per the clarifications from 1/2021), but we keep both scorings for the time being until HiG confirms the rules of the ringmaster bonus. They seem to be under review.

Edit: Included note related to latest clarifications for C2.
« Last Edit: October 29, 2021, 03:58:08 AM by Meepledrone »


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