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Carc Central Community => News and Events => Topic started by: totor66 on December 19, 2016, 02:05:04 AM
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Hello Folks
Randomly looking at some websites I ended up finding that:
https://www.spiele-offensive.de/Spiel/Carcassonne-Manege-frei-10-Erweiterung-1019434.html
The 10th expansion is scheduled for release on March 2017 and is named "Manege Frei" or in English "Manege free", but it may be translated totaly diferently :)
No pictures yet unfortunately.
totor66
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Nice find totor66! Let the speculation begin! :) :(y)
By the way, just for the record, I do so love how despite being a loyal and dedicated fan site we never hear news of upcoming expansions from the horses mouth but always through somewhere selling it online instead... ???
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Nice find indeed, merit for you!
The 10th expansion is scheduled for release on March 2017 and is named "Manege Frei" or in English "Manege free", but it may be translated totaly diferently :)
A quick check on word-reference shows that 'manege' in German can mean a (circus) ring, while frei can mean free but also released. So could it be that animals from a travelling circus have escaped and are roaming the countryside? If so, hopefully they'll trample the gardens. And, while they're there, the abbot. >:D
Edit: This game (http://www.milan-spiele.de/makenbreak-circus-p-16769.html), called Make 'n' Break Circus, also has the expression 'manege frei' in the description.
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Pictures from playing a prototype of "Manege Frei!" on the Fan-meeting at Burg Konradsheim, posted by Ratz65:
http://carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=250&t=3545&hilit=konradsheim#p44736 (http://carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=250&t=3545&hilit=konradsheim#p44736)
(http://carcassonne-forum.de/download/file.php?id=7126&mode=view)
Thanks @Ratz65
:neutral-meeple:
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My random guess is the numbers have to do with how many meeple you can see from the watchtowers or cloister bell towers. Each player gets a hut from hunters and gatherers that acts as a circus tent. You want to place your hut where the most meeples can see it and attract them to your circus for bonus points.
The tile that appears to hold 2 meeples at a road junction is a spot where opponents (fencers, strong men, bards) face off for something or another.
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Looks good, and I speculate the artwork will be compatible with both forms, and the tilebacks will be the same.
I hope they spell: 'Manège' correctly in the German/English version of the rules, it's a French word ;)
Hopefully kettlefish will have an opportunity to correct them :(y)
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I think in german we dont use the french pronounciation, we do speak the ending "e".
In Germany the director of a circus welcomes his guests and ends it shouting "Manege frei!", something like "Let the show begin!"
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Surely someone here knows something real about this expansion so we can stop guessing!
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Surely someone here knows something real about this expansion so we can stop guessing!
Almost certainly. Whether or not they're allowed to share it is the real question. Hence my frustration.
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In any case the circus theme sounds like it might be more along the lines of Catapult and Bazaars in terms of the colour/vibe of the tile art.
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Carcassonne is only complete with 10th expansion!!! :black1-meeple: :gray-meeple: :white-meeple:
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Looks good, and I speculate the artwork will be compatible with both forms, and the tilebacks will be the same.
When you say you think it will be compatible, do you mean they'll release it in both art styles, or just that it can be played with both?
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The old artwork is dead.
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I wouldn't expect it to come out in the old artwork either. But they are starting to build up a fair bit of new artwork stuff for next year's Big Box release.
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The old artwork is dead.
Stop, it still hurts :/
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The real question isn't whether the art is compatible with the CarcI (it isn't as far as I say), but whether the rules will be compatible. If this expansion uses the Abbots in any way whatsoever, it will officially end any compatibility with CarcI. I'm not saying that that is what this new expansion does, but it could.
Regarding the theme, it does look very Catapulty, so I hope it's not. The circus tent in the background of the image does not give me hope, though. And I don't think they had big tops back in the Middle Ages, so there's that fairly standard complaint, too.
I see a few things in the image, though, that make me at least think. Those new tiles have two spots on each for Meeples — you can see a Meeple standing on one of the spots in the foreground. They must represent something that can be claimed by two Meeples (meaning that Meeples can be placed on them in later rounds). Then there are the number chits. Those confuse me a bit, though, since most are on top of watchtowers it looks like. I can't tell whether they are using watchtowers as placeholders for a new feature or if the numbers are just being used with the watchtowers for some reason, perhaps reflecting an early draft of the expansion. And then there's that circus tent. It serves some purpose but seems to be a neutral colour. It also is standing on a watchtower tile, suggesting the watchtowers are placeholders. But what do the number chits mean? Hmm...
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If this expansion uses the Abbots in any way whatsoever, it will officially end any compatibility with CarcI. I'm not saying that that is what this new expansion does, but it could.
By Abbots, do you also include Gardens? If so, why can they not be ignored, as if playing without Abbots - this maintains backward compatibility.
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The old artwork is dead.
I know :( German Cathedrals this past April was probably it. If they're considering this expansion #10, does that mean #6-9 will be released between now and March 2017? That would be very fast.
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The old artwork is dead.
I know :( German Cathedrals this past April was probably it. If they're considering this expansion #10, does that mean #6-9 will be released between now and March 2017? That would be very fast.
Yes. I guess, that's it. On CarcF it clearly seems like "no more classic artwork any more" (even though many CarcF members are against that).
No. They probably won't release all the other expansions until the 10th comes out. But probably they do so later on. And because they want to guarantee compatibility with classic Carc, they have to keep the numbers.
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And because they want to guarantee compatibility with classic Carc, they have to keep the numbers.
Which begs the question: will they reprint The Catapult and, if not, will something take its place?
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And because they want to guarantee compatibility with classic Carc, they have to keep the numbers.
Which begs the question: will they reprint The Catapult and, if not, will something take its place?
If they were going to replace The Catapult with a completely differently-themed expansion for Carcassonne II, this likely would have been "Expansion Four Seven" instead of Expansion 10. It leads me to think that they are more likely to either 1) leave the Catapult as-is, 2) majorly re-do the rules while keeping the "Catapult" theme, or 3) never release The Catapult (or any Expansion Four Seven) in the new art, leaving the hole in numbering simply to guarantee compatibility with Carcassonne I.
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If they were going to replace The Catapult with a completely differently-themed expansion for Carcassonne II, this likely would have been "Expansion 4" instead of Expansion 10. It leads me to think that they are more likely to either 1) leave the Catapult as-is, 2) majorly re-do the rules while keeping the "Catapult" theme, or 3) never release The Catapult (or any Expansion 4) in the new art, leaving the hole in numbering simply to guarantee compatibility with Carcassonne I.
I agree and think 3) is the most likely scenario based on previous comments coming out of HiG. But FYI, Catapult is Expansion 7.
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But FYI, Catapult is Expansion 7.
:)) Oops. Don't know what I was thinking. Edited.
I have dishonored The Tower. :P
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But FYI, Catapult is Expansion 7.
:)) Oops. Don't know what I was thinking. Edited.
I have dishonored The Tower. :P
The next time you play with The Tower you must start with one tower foundation less than your opponents. Only then can balance be restored to the Carcassonne universe after this grave insult...
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...am I the only one who find that catapult is hugly but it is funny anyway? :-X
sometimes I play with it when I and my partner wants to laugh! and it appens always when we must use the wooden Catapult! ;D
anyway... it would be interesting make a new catapult expansion more serious with a "siege context", maybe with a new and more playable wooden catapult
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...am I the only one who find that catapult is hugly but it is funny anyway? :-X
sometimes I play with it when I and my partner wants to laugh! and it appens always when we must use the wooden Catapult! ;D
anyway... it would be interesting make a new catapult expansion more serious with a "siege context", maybe with a new and more playable wooden catapult
MrsNumbers also finds Catapult funny. If we want some fun in Carcassonne, we always add Catapult :)
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...am I the only one who find that catapult is hugly but it is funny anyway? :-X
sometimes I play with it when I and my partner wants to laugh! and it appens always when we must use the wooden Catapult! ;D
anyway... it would be interesting make a new catapult expansion more serious with a "siege context", maybe with a new and more playable wooden catapult
MrsNumbers also finds Catapult funny. If we want some fun in Carcassonne, we always add Catapult :)
What do you add if you don't want any fun? ;)
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MrsNumbers also finds Catapult funny. If we want some fun in Carcassonne, we always add Catapult :)
What do you add if you don't want any fun? ;)
Darmstadt mixed with v2.0. >:D
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...am I the only one who find that catapult is hugly but it is funny anyway? :-X
sometimes I play with it when I and my partner wants to laugh! and it appens always when we must use the wooden Catapult! ;D
anyway... it would be interesting make a new catapult expansion more serious with a "siege context", maybe with a new and more playable wooden catapult
MrsNumbers also finds Catapult funny. If we want some fun in Carcassonne, we always add Catapult :)
What do you add if you don't want any fun? ;)
P&D, Tower and Plague, all at once ;D
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Nice find totor66! Let the speculation begin! :) :(y)
By the way, just for the record, I do so love how despite being a loyal and dedicated fan site we never hear news of upcoming expansions from the horses mouth but always through somewhere selling it online instead... ???
The same site that does it own expansions with artwork that is believed to be out of print (we cannot be sure, clarity is apparently of no importance) and then gets slammed by that corporation which holds the copyright when there is no financial gain for anyone, except the company itself in the end? With noone from the company coming to a thread they have obviously seen to give a statement clarifying, both this one and the one about the advent calendar debacle.
In the music industry we work it the other way round, fan sites get earlier access to news and new songs, hopefully the artist gives an exclusive performance on their channel or likewise, send personalized gifts to the fans that maintain those forums, have official lotteries etc. I guess the board game industry is different but after my short time here I am surprized by the lack of dialogue from developers and such, especially when comparing gaming qualities between some official releases and some fan ones. Maybe it happens on the german forum, I don´t know.
On a sidenote, that same site made me, and probably many more, buy blank tiles from them to print on, and before I discovered those I even bought an extra base game to use for Seasons and Wells. It made me a completionist and I even bought the f***ing catapult. It made me discover JCZ which in turn let me introduce the game to people that bought the game (and didn´t like the new artwork btw).
Back on track I hope this expansion is NOT printed in the old artwork, that means I don´t have to get it and my Carc-period can come to an end (just need tunnels and the russians...). Like a good rock band that turned pop, I can still dig the old albums, but I stop wearing the t-shirt, if you know what I mean?
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I agree with you mostly, but I think I need to help clarify: I think HiG has made it's position and use of their artwork on fan expansions very clear. What is currently not clear is how Carcassonne Central moderates these requirements and who is responsible when they are not obeyed. That's not HiG's fault.
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I have to agree with you What If? In my experience, Carcassonnes's owners – HiG – don't seem to have much of an interest in Carcassonne Central at all. Or if they do, they're certainly not showing it. They've had an account here since February 2013 but have only posted nine times since then and last logged in back in August (which is actually surprisingly recent – I was expecting it to be at least a year ago). It might be that they're better engaged with their fans through Carcassonne Forum (our German sister site) where there isn't the same kind of language barrier, but the fact that I have to have everything I read there translated through Google means I don't spend a lot of time there and can't really comment.
Don't get me wrong about any of this. I recognise that HiG are a business and that if they want to stay in business then they have to make money, which usually means targeting their stuff at whoever they can sell most of it to (i.e. not us since most of us already own pretty much everything). I also recognise that they know much more about running a business than I do and so don't feel especially outraged that they have made decisions which don't seem to benefit me or the majority of Carcassonne's hardcore fans (i.e. us). Am I annoyed by it? Yes, a bit. But I'd rather they made sufficient money to keep the game alive by reaching out to new players if the alternative is that they have to kill it off because it's not economically viable to keep it alive for a few hundred fans. If that happens, everyone loses...
However, not all publishers seem to operate in the same way and there are plenty of examples of other publishers (often smaller ones) being actively engaged with their fans in the same way as you describe band fan sites. I'd love it if HiG were as keen on us as the majority of us are on their games, but sadly I don't think this will ever be the case. There was a time back in 2013 when HiG gave a load of sets of the original Wind Roses tiles to kettlefish and she gave them away to members of CarcC for free. That was pretty cool, but there hasn't been anything similar since then and all other competitions, giveaways, meetups and other events have been organised and paid for by members of the community itself off their own backs.
Maybe I'm being naïve but I don't think it would take much for HiG to improve relations with their fans massively. Perhaps if they posted at CarcC once a month to give us the inside scoop on any upcoming releases or other news before it's widely known then we'd feel the love a bit more? But they won't because it's "secret" and they've even accused kettlefish of leaking such things in the past when in reality the majority of our news sources are often CarcF, BGG or obscure web shops making announcements before they're supposed to. I can't help but feel a little embarrassed when stuff like this goes down and casual Carcassonne players who refer to cities as "castles" start talking amongst themselves about expansions or spin-offs that I've never heard of. And I'm supposed to be an admin at one of their two officially-recognised fan sites!
If they provided us with some cool stuff to give away every now and again, held a quiz or competition a couple of times a year, or even just helped us to sort out some of our legal issues with fan-made expansions that are clearly causing us difficulties at the moment then we'd all feel a little less isolated and perhaps even more likely to support the new artwork edition of Carcassonne. I wouldn't hold your breath though.
Overall I'm more sad than angry as Klaus-Jürgen Wrede and Udo Schmitz (Carcassonne on Tour) are among the friendliest, most humble, generous and supportive people I've ever met, and there's so much potential for doing some truly great/ new/ innovative/ exciting things with Carcassonne as a game by arranging for the games creator, biggest advocates, loyal fans and – most importantly – its publishers to communicate openly and work together towards a common goal of bringing our favourite game to the unreached masses and having as much fun as possible along the way! It could be great, but with things the way they are very few of us know even what HiG's goals are for the next few months let alone the rest of 2017 or even 2018.
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When an online shop gets from the publishers information about a new expansion - then some of the online shops put a space in there shop system even if the expansion will produce in some months. Some online shops put this "space" hidden for the public but some put it in the "open area" where all people can see it. That is a usual business here. One of the shops is "spiele-offensive" who put the inoformation in the "open area" - they do it since many years.
When I send mini-expansions like "the Windroses", "Castles in Germany", "Cloisters in Germany" also the "demo game CC II" and "Cathedrals of Germany" to the CarcC community - I've got this expansions from HiG through Udo Schmitz (Carcassonne-on-Tour) all for the CarcC. So please don't say the action with the "windroses" was the only action.
When an author of a fan-expansion for Carcassonne use graphic elements from elsewhere of the internet and he don't ask the owner of this graphic if he is allowed to use it for a part of the landscape tile and to show it online at an other homepage than that from where he/she get this grapics.
The best way is when the author create an own graphic element which he likes to use for the fan-expansion. If he can't paint such element, than he can ask the CarcC or CarcF community for help.
HiG is the publisher of the Carcassonne games (and the Carcassonne spin-off games) - they own the graphic - they allowed us to use such graphics to create fan-expansions.
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When an online shop gets from the publishers information about a new expansion - then some of the online shops put a space in there shop system even if the expansion will produce in some months. Some online shops put this "space" hidden for the public but some put it in the "open area" where all people can see it. That is a usual business here. One of the shops is "spiele-offensive" who put the inoformation in the "open area" - they do it since many years.
I know this. What I don't know is why it is OK for them to do this while there are people on these forums (well, you) who know the details but aren't allowed to share them even though they're already being shared elsewhere?
When I send mini-expansions like "the Windroses", "Castles in Germany", "Cloisters in Germany" also the "demo game CC II" and "Cathedrals of Germany" to the CarcC community - I've got this expansions from HiG through Udo Schmitz (Carcassonne-on-Tour) all for the CarcC. So please don't say the action with the "windroses" was the only action.
Wind Roses (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=319). Where are the posts for the other giveaways?
I hope I don't seem ungrateful as I'm aware that you've sent me stuff to give away as prizes in some of the online competitions I've organised in the past. But there were very few of these compared to the Wind Roses and I've spent well over £100 on postage since then to get them to peoples doorsteps, rather than with the Wind Roses where HiG paid for everything.
When an author of a fan-expansion for Carcassonne use graphic elements from elsewhere of the internet and he don't ask the owner of this graphic if he is allowed to use it for a part of the landscape tile and to show it online at an other homepage than that from where he/she get this grapics.
The best way is when the author create an own graphic element which he likes to use for the fan-expansion. If he can't paint such element, than he can ask the CarcC or CarcF community for help.
I know this too. But repeating it over and over isn't helping us to get any closer to a solution.
HiG is the publisher of the Carcassonne games (and the Carcassonne spin-off games) - they own the graphic - they allowed us to use such graphics to create fan-expansions.
Yes. Known. Thanks for the reminder.
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When an online shop gets from the publishers information about a new expansion - then some of the online shops put a space in there shop system even if the expansion will produce in some months. Some online shops put this "space" hidden for the public but some put it in the "open area" where all people can see it. That is a usual business here. One of the shops is "spiele-offensive" who put the inoformation in the "open area" - they do it since many years.
I know this. What I don't know is why it is OK for them to do this while there are people on these forums (well, you) who know the details but aren't allowed to share them even though they're already being shared elsewhere?
For this 10th expansion - I only know it has some landscape tiles and there will be a new figure in it. I didn't play this expansion yet. So I am not able to say anything about it. And for the spin-off games or mini-expansion which I do the correction reading - I've promissed HiG not to say earlier the community. HiG likes to surprise the fans.
When I send mini-expansions like "the Windroses", "Castles in Germany", "Cloisters in Germany" also the "demo game CC II" and "Cathedrals of Germany" to the CarcC community - I've got this expansions from HiG through Udo Schmitz (Carcassonne-on-Tour) all for the CarcC. So please don't say the action with the "windroses" was the only action.
Wind Roses (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=319). Where are the posts for the other giveaways?
I hope I don't seem ungrateful as I'm aware that you've sent me stuff to give away as prizes in some of the online competitions I've organised in the past. But there were very few of these compared to the Wind Roses and I've spent well over £100 on postage since then to get them to peoples doorsteps, rather than with the Wind Roses where HiG paid for everything.
I've done it - see the hidden forums for the authors - I hoped to get them back to activity - and I felt into a hole. I decided not to make to much energy in this anymore.
With the payment of postage - ask HiG if they are willing to pay for it.
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I have to agree with you What If? In my experience, Carcassonnes's owners – HiG – don't seem to have much of an interest in Carcassonne Central at all. Or if they do, they're certainly not showing it. They've had an account here since February 2013 but have only posted nine times since then and last logged in back in August (which is actually surprisingly recent – I was expecting it to be at least a year ago). It might be that they're better engaged with their fans through Carcassonne Forum (our German sister site) where there isn't the same kind of language barrier, but the fact that I have to have everything I read there translated through Google means I don't spend a lot of time there and can't really comment.
I Always hated the fact that there where 2 big fora, I never made an account on the other one.
Mostly there are the same posts on both sites anyway. As this is an international forum, this would be the best place for them to get feedback or engage with their fans.
Don't get me wrong about any of this. I recognise that HiG are a business and that if they want to stay in business then they have to make money, which usually means targeting their stuff at whoever they can sell most of it to (i.e. not us since most of us already own pretty much everything). I also recognise that they know much more about running a business than I do and so don't feel especially outraged that they have made decisions which don't seem to benefit me or the majority of Carcassonne's hardcore fans (i.e. us). Am I annoyed by it? Yes, a bit. But I'd rather they made sufficient money to keep the game alive by reaching out to new players if the alternative is that they have to kill it off because it's not economically viable to keep it alive for a few hundred fans. If that happens, everyone loses...
You can aim for new players.. But eventually that group is gone. I think that their strategy is very bad. You always have to aim for the "hardcore" fans as a priority. They know your game and keep making it better. If you don't listen to this fanbase, you lose people who are interested. Look at this forum. There were very few posts and online members some time ago. Simply because the fanbase was getting smaller with the latest decisions.. So i definitely agree with your opinion.
What i don't understand is their decision to create 9 (5 so far) expansions in the new look, that are already released in the old version. Is it just me or is that an incredible waste of resources and money?
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To stay on-Topic,
I'm sad, that this will be a Carc 2.0 expansion, but on the other side, it was to be expected. (I hoped for the 10th expansion to be the last one in the old style)
I'm also curious about the little chips and what kind of effect this will have on the game.
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But FYI, Catapult is Expansion 7.
:)) Oops. Don't know what I was thinking. Edited.
I have dishonored The Tower. :P
The next time you play with The Tower you must start with one tower foundation less than your opponents. Only then can balance be restored to the Carcassonne universe after this grave insult...
I have never played The Tower, I don't own it, and the closest Carcassonne fan I know of in Thailand (AlbinoAsian) lives 3.5 hours away. So I'm afraid the Carcassonne universe is doomed, at least for a while. Sorry all. ^-^
What do you add if you don't want any fun? ;)
Darmstadt mixed with v2.0. >:D
Thanks for a good chuckle (and perhaps a slight shudder). :P
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So, guessing by the news, I should invest in Carc 2 and another Basically Wooden box? I may have to consult my 'boss'!
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Have to wait for the rules, but I think, this will be a pass for me. I don't have a a 100% Carc I collection, missing Catapult and a few small expansions, which were either to expensive or not interesting for me. To get a Carc II expansion, the rules must be really mind blowing, as I already got a great variety of expansions to play this game till the end of my live, and this likely will never happen. "Hills & Sheep" is a fun expansion, I really enjoy it, yet, I doubt, I would have bought it, if it would have been Carc II exclusive. Plus the Circus theme does not really appeal to me anyway, if connected with Carcassonne.
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Maybe old edition of carcassonne will be replaced by the new edition¿¿?? And the new expansions only will be for the new edition??... :o
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Maybe old edition of carcassonne will be replaced by the new edition¿¿?? And the new expansions only will be for the new edition??... :o
Yes, that is our expectation. It took a couple of years for the new edition to be fully entrenched (with mini expansions still appearing in the old edition), but I think we should not expect any more expansions in the old art from now on.
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PresetM visited Udo Schmitz and played the prototype of the 10th expansion.
He was allowed to post some more informations about this expansion.
At CarcF he has posted about it.
Please ask members like Safari if he can translate it into English.
Here is the link to the posting from PresetM:
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3594&start=15#p45704 (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3594&start=15#p45704)
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Quick highlight reel based on a Google Translation:
Components
• 20 tiles
• 10 numbered chits
• 6 Ringmaster wooden figures (one in each player colour) [same figures as the explorers in Mayflower/New World]
• 1 Circus Tent wooden figure [same figure as the tent in Hunters & Gatherers – painted in unspecified stripes]
Rules Highlights
Three different expansion elements that can be used together or separately:
Ringmaster
Ringmasters give players bonus points since they create order from the chaos of the circus.
Meeple Pyramids
Meeples can be placed as Artists on the new landscape feature by placing them on the outlined spots. Three can be stacked to form a pyramid, at which point the participants score bonus points.
Circus Tent
The Circus Tent attracts inhabitants from Carcassonne and creatively gives points based on some unstated mechanic related to this principle.
The expansion will release in Germany in April 2017, in time for Easter.
Final notes:
• The number distribution on the chits are still not decided, and it is unstated what element of the expansion they relate to.
• The expansion will use 2nd edition art by Anne Pätzke, although she has not finished the artwork quite yet
• The 10th expansion is a feast for strategists since it requires strategy to obtain the maximum bonus points.
• PresetM thinks this will become one of the best expansions.
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I must say, the third page (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3594&start=30) of the aforementioned topic is quite sad. In short, it seems that HiG is leaning towards (or has already declared?) banning the creation of original-art (Carc I) version of its Carc II-only expansions (e.g. Gardens, the Watchtowers, and this upcoming 10th expansion). German speakers, am I understanding PresetM's post right?
I have posted my thoughts in full in the CarcF thread, but suffice it to say: this news dampens my excitement for the future of Carcassonne considerably. It has always been the community's creativity around Carcassonne that has excited me even more than the game itself, and I hope that HiG will reconsider its stance on this issue (if this is indeed their stance). And surely, some of us old-art-only people would make our own home-brewed versions of the expansions for private use anyway, but that sure kills the collaborative aspect and community excitement of things that HiG could foster with a more lenient stance.
(Some of you know that the tile-laying game Santorini has recently drawn my attention, and that of at least a couple other CarcC friends here. I cannot help but think of how Roxley Games, on their lively Kickstarter (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/roxley/santorini-learn-it-in-30-seconds-play-it-for-life), invited people to submit photos of their home-brewed versions of its game, confident that this would build excitement for their product, not detract from it. I think their approach was smart.)
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I'm not sure what happened to your post after it went through Google Translate, but it reminds me of a certain Far-Side comic:
(http://tehill.net/carcassonne/fun/Stalcupojoy-post.png)
(https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/47/153603564_7281ad0588.jpg)
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• PresetM thinks this will become one of the best expansions.
I hope PresetM is right.
I am thinking we had fairs and bazaars, both of which sit on the bottom of my Carcassonne expansions list. Now we are getting circuses. I suppose the future holds the possibility of Amusement parks and carnivals.
Maybe I would be more excited it their were new lion meeples to feed the abbots to.
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lol Decar, I remember that one. :) I guess bad things happen when Google Translate tries to treat my English as German and translate it into English. :))
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It did make me laugh - it's probably how Google interprets the Metadata for that page.... definitely lots of Carcass and Carcassonne on this page....best put that in the databanks for future searches :)
@Dirk: On the plus-side Amusement Parks often had 'freak-shows' - a place for all those broken or misshapen meeple to go... or the Abbot :)
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I would like to have a carcass, a carcass, a carcass, a carcass, a carcass, a carcass, a carcass, a carcass and a carcass.
Wow, this is possibly the most morbid quote that's ever been atttributed to me. ;D I feel like I don't know myself anymore. Hahaha.
I am thinking we had fairs and bazaars, both of which sit on the bottom of my Carcassonne expansions list. Now we are getting circuses. I suppose the future holds the possibility of Amusement parks and carnivals.
Carcassonne-on-Tour 2017 Mini-expansion: The Roller Coasters Roller Coasters in Germany
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@Dirk: On the plus-side Amusement Parks often had 'freak-shows' - a place for all those broken or misshapen meeple to go... or the Abbot :)
I will now refer to the "ring master" as "the bearded lady" in all future posts.
Carcassonne-on-Tour 2017 Mini-expansion: The Roller Coasters Roller Coasters in Germany
I would buy that.
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• PresetM thinks this will become one of the best expansions.
I hope PresetM is right.
It seems, PresetM was one of the playtesters, and he really enjoyed it. Time will tell, but I doubt, I will share his opinion. Based on what he told so far, it seems rather a wonky expansion to me.
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• 1 Circus Tent wooden figure [same figure as the tent in Hunters & Gatherers – painted in unspecified stripes]
I did not write that the tent will have stripes. The tent you see in the background is only a placeholder for the tent that will be delivered. We all know, all figures that available in Carcassonne games shows only one single color. Udo told me that it is not decided which color the tent will have. My suggestion is a light red color for the tent.
Regarding the new tiles: all tiles you see in the picture (artist tiles and circus tent tiles) are placeholders. For the placeholder were used the Watchtower tiles and for the artist tiles some modified cloister tiles).
• The 10th expansion is a feast for strategists since it requires strategy to obtain the maximum bonus points.
If you play carefully, it is really complicated to decide where to place every tile and meeple to obtain the maximum points. I like this expansion. :)
I must say, the third page (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3594&start=30) of the aforementioned topic is quite sad. In short, it seems that HiG is leaning towards (or has already declared?) banning the creation of original-art (Carc I) version of its Carc II-only expansions (e.g. Gardens, the Watchtowers, and this upcoming 10th expansion). German speakers, am I understanding PresetM's post right?
Sorry stalcupojoy, no.
The true story is this one:
In the past I have created for "The Abbot" and "The Watchtowers" two expansions for the classic Carcassonne. At the time when I designed the Watchtower tiles it comes to my mind that this "copying" of an original Carcassonne expansion is possibly a copyright infringement. Short time later Ratz65 started his conversion of the old GQ#11 expansion into the the layout of Carcassonne II. It seems to me the best to ask HiG about all these conversions to get the permission to do such conversions.
I know, HiG has discussed the matter, but until now I don't get a definite answer from the executive director of HiG.
So please don't panic. Let us wait for the result first.
BTW, I think, some guys on CarcF have a very low understanding of copyright infringements and such things, so the discussion in the CarcF forum goes a little wild in my opinion...
It seems, PresetM was one of the playtesters
Sorry, no, I'm not a playtester. I only had the luck and the opportunity to play this expansion one time before release.
I love games that involve a deeper thinking (for example the asian "Go" game). And in this expansion is more stategic thinking included as in many other Carcassonne expansions. Of course, some will like this expansion, other will not. This is OK.
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• 1 Circus Tent wooden figure [same figure as the tent in Hunters & Gatherers – painted in unspecified stripes]
I did not write that the tent will have stripes. The tent you see in the background is only a placeholder for the tent that will be delivered. We all know, all figures that available in Carcassonne games shows only one single color. Udo told me that it is not decided which color the tent will have. My suggestion is a light red color for the tent.
Sorry! Misunderstanding from the Google Translation. It sounded like you were describing alternating colours. I do remember something about light red, though.
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I must say, the third page (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=3594&start=30) of the aforementioned topic is quite sad. In short, it seems that HiG is leaning towards (or has already declared?) banning the creation of original-art (Carc I) version of its Carc II-only expansions (e.g. Gardens, the Watchtowers, and this upcoming 10th expansion). German speakers, am I understanding PresetM's post right?
Sorry stalcupojoy, no.
The true story is this one:
In the past I have created for "The Abbot" and "The Watchtowers" two expansions for the classic Carcassonne. At the time when I designed the Watchtower tiles it comes to my mind that this "copying" of an original Carcassonne expansion is possibly a copyright infringement. Short time later Ratz65 started his conversion of the old GQ#11 expansion into the the layout of Carcassonne II. It seems to me the best to ask HiG about all these conversions to get the permission to do such conversions.
I know, HiG has discussed the matter, but until now I don't get a definite answer from the executive director of HiG.
So please don't panic. Let us wait for the result first.
To quote whaleyland: "Sorry! Misunderstanding from Google Translation." :) Thank you for clarifying. :(y)
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I think that this expansion will be compatible with both... And I think that 10th expansion will be the last for the old version too... RIP... so sad for me...
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I think that this expansion will be compatible with both... And I think that 10th expansion will be the last for the old version too... RIP... so sad for me...
If only you were right :'(
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This 10th expansion for Carcassonne will come only in the CC II New Edition. That means the graphic artist is Anne Pätzke and not Doris Matthäus.
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This 10th expansion for Carcassonne will come only in the CC II New Edition. That means the graphic artist is Anne Pätzke and not Doris Matthäus.
So it is confirmed :'( Can you confirm whether or not there any mini expansions left to be released in the original art style?
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This 10th expansion for Carcassonne will come only in the CC II New Edition. That means the graphic artist is Anne Pätzke and not Doris Matthäus.
So it is confirmed :'( Can you confirm whether or not there any mini expansions left to be released in the original art style?
I can confirm nothing about the Minis....but I don`t think so, because the Labyrinth was the last Mini released in old & new art style.
Japanese Temples, Watchtowers & the Festival 15 are only released in the new art style.
But maybe there are still surprises this year :neutral-meeple:
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The 10th expansion will give complete new elements, figures and game mechanics for Carcassonne. I think it is worth to give it a chance.
At the "Spielwarenmesse" in Nuremberg HiG will introduce this new expansion to the business public. I hope that we will get some more photos and with the new landscape tiles, tokens and figures. The exhibition is from 1.2.-6.2.2017.
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It looks nice, and might be compatible with both editions... I have the Watchtowers, and play it in the old art game. Its a bit weird to see, but it does work.
So hopefully the same will go with this expansion!
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HiG has posted the cover of the expansions box on their homepage:
http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/manege_frei/ (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/manege_frei/)
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HiG has posted the cover of the expansions box on their homepage:
http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/manege_frei/ (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/manege_frei/)
In general, I'm not very interested in Carcassonne expansion box art, because I have the Basically Wooden boxes and so I don't even keep the expansion boxes. That said, I don't like this box art. It just doesn't look and feel like Carcassonne.
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I agree it doesn't look like Carcassonne. It reminds me of the Carnival Games (Wii game) cover.
In general, I'm not very interested in Carcassonne expansion box art, because I have the Basically Wooden boxes and so I don't even keep the expansion boxes. That said, I don't like this box art. It just doesn't look and feel like Carcassonne.
Have we ever had a Favouritism Poll about the V1 expansion box artwork? I don't think we have.
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The animal rights activists wont like the box art. I'm pretty sure bears can't smile.
I'm hoping the pyramid building mentioned isn't a dexterity game.
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For sale in march 2017...
Still keen to see the new artwork inside the box and to learn the new game mechanics...will there be a bear meeple?
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The animal rights activists wont like the box art. I'm pretty sure bears can't smile.
I'm not an activist but since I don't eat animals, that's definitely one of the reasons I don't like the art. Although it's 'just a game' and it's set in a different era, public opinion in our time is definitely shifting away from holding animals captive in zoos and especially circuses (e.g. the closure of the famous Ringing Bros. circus this month (http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-ringling-circus-20170116-story.html) after public opinion forced them to remove elephants last year), so the theme of this expansion seems a little out of touch to me.
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Allthough i agree circus animals have a sad life and it's a good thing that changes , we should see this expansion -as the rest of Carcassonne- in the middle ages...animal rights weren' that much of an issue those days...
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Allthough i agree circus animals have a sad life and it's a good thing that changes , we should see this expansion -as the rest of Carcassonne- in the middle ages...animal rights weren' that much of an issue those days...
Sure, that's why I included qualifiers in my post. But we've seen before that even when games are set in the past, if a social reality of that past that is included in the game is no longer seen as appropriate in our times, there can be a backlash against it (I'm referring specifically to the removal of the slave cards from Five Tribes (https://www.boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/40219/five-tribes-revised-slaves-are-out-fakirs)). But I don't want to hijack the thread. Carry on.
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For sale in march 2017...
Still keen to see the new artwork inside the box and to learn the new game mechanics...will there be a bear meeple?
There will be no animalmeeple (animeeple), but 16 animal token.
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I showed this box to my partner and she replied: "Yeah, nope." My thoughts exactly. While the expansion mechanics seem interesting, the cover is pretty atrocious and looks like something out of many other games but not Carcassonne. It just looks terrible and so impractical. It's like they've learned nothing since The Catapult. And sealions did not perform in shows in the Middle Ages. Sorry. Just didn't happen.
Reading the caption text, it literally sounds like a ridiculous expansion—knights, highwaymen, and farmers are chasing the circus? That's just dumb. Don't they have better things to do? And making meeple pyramids may be an acceptable mechanic in the game, but it sounds so dumb I can't help but laugh. I'm definitely taking a wait-and-see approach on this, especially since it uses the new art.
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I don't mind it as much as some people seem to, but my biggest gripe is with the circus master guy who looks to be wearing a wooden hat? Is that a wooden hat? My mum always told me never to trust anyone wearing a wooden hat. He's up to no good, you mark my words... :-\
EDIT: If you look closer you can tell that the bear, the monkey and the elephant are all in on his scheme, but the sealion has spotted something up his sleeve and is starting to have doubts about the whole circus thing
EDIT 2: And that pyramid in the background isn't as impressive as it could be. You can see that the guy on the top is stretching up really high to make it look bigger than it really is, but there's only 3 people which isn't that impressive and they know it. If there were 5 I'd consider buying this, but I once had someone sitting on my shoulders who also had someone else sitting on his shoulders and we weren't even a circus! I know it's only a small point in comparison to the wooden hat, but it all adds up ???
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I'm hoping the pyramid building mentioned isn't a dexterity game.
I don't think and I hope it isn't a dexterity game. I think there will be three-follower pyramids. Because there were two spots to place followers to the base of the pyramids in demo photos (see the photo attached). I tried to make pyramids so much times it's stable and I don't think it will be a dexterity kind of thing.
My opinion is that one player could place a follower to any pyramid base if he/she didn't place any on his/her turn. If a three-follower pyramid is completed all players in this pyramid divides and scores points. So if a player started a pyramid, the others would like to place a follower on the pyramid instead of placing one on the tile that they just played (in order to divide and share the points and get quicker points)
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I'm definitely taking a wait-and-see approach on this, especially since it uses the new art.
Ditto that! I might have come round to the idea of using Carc 2 expansions with Carc 1, but it's really only for the potentially few more mini expansions. I won't spend money on an expansion I already own.
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Here's a photo showing some of the contents (from BGG)
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so, New art. What a pity!!!
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Was to be expected. Lets hope its a nice expansion, hopefully its worth considering it :@
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Was to be expected. Lets hope its a nice expansion, hopefully its worth considering it :@
+1 to this!
Thanks for the photo Rich. The new wood looks a lot like the cowboys from the expansion for Gold Rush.
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Ignoring the new art for a second but I find the yellow blob unattractive, maybe even plain ugly..
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Ignoring the new art for a second but I find the yellow blob unattractive, maybe even plain ugly..
I am of the same opinion as you.
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Ok so 3 points per monkey, 4 for a seal, 5 for a bear, 6 for a tiger, and 7 for an elephant. What is the 1 pointer? A flea?
I don't know if a flea circus is such a good idea after the plague 8)
I like the new meeple. I don't like what appears to be flattened crop circles. So I can see 18 new tiles. That puts it at the Inns & Cathedrals size.
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I like the new meeple. I don't like what appears to be flattened crop circles. So I can see 18 new tiles. That puts it at the Inns & Cathedrals size.
I can see 20 new tiles ;D
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I can see 20 new tiles ;D
Wow good catch! I need some caffeine. :-[
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I had been thinking the combination of a new large expansion and a big box this year could have been what finally got me into the new edition. But apart from the wood, which looks cool, I basically dislike everything I have seen so far from this expansion. I don't like the name of the expansion (which is a departure from the large expansion naming tradition and seems very shortsighted, in a similar way to Over Hill and Dale, in terms of translation into other languages), I don't like the theme of the expansion (as previously discussed), and I don't like the tile art from what I can see from the photo upthread. The meeple stacking could be cool. But other than that, it's a :(n) from me so far.
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Here's a photo showing some of the contents (from BGG)
The photo accompanies a game preview (https://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/62091?commentid=6928589#comment6928589) for the expansion. Some highlights:
Components:
Carcassonne: Manege frei! consists of twenty landscape tiles that are mixed with whatever assortment of tiles you're using, along with one wooden tent, one ringmaster figure in six different colors, and 16 animal tokens. During set-up, shuffle the animal tokens — which are mostly numbered 3-6, along with a single 1 and single 7 — face down and leave them on the side. Give each player a ringmaster figure along with their other meeples.
Gameplay:
Whenever you draw a tent tile, place it on the board legally, then place a face-down animal token on this tile without looking at it. Place the wooden tent on top of this token to make it easy for others to spot where the circus is currently taking place. When another tent tile is drawn, place a new face-down token on this tile, move the tent, then reveal the token just exposed. Each player with a meeple on that tile or any of the eight surrounding tiles scores the listed number of points for each such meeple.
Whenever you draw a pyramid tile, place it on the board legally, then choose whether you want to place a meeple on one of the two spaces. A player who places any subsequent tile in one of the eight surrounding spaces can either place a meeple on that newly-placed tile as usual or place a meeple on the pyramid tile. When the third such meeple is placed on this space — thus forming a pyramid of acrobats — all three meeples are returned to their owners, who score 5 points for each acrobat returned.
Finally, you can place your ringmaster on a tile as if it were a knight, robber or monk, and when that feature is scored, you receive both the points for the road, city or cloister as usual, along with a 2-point bonus for each circus tile in the eight surrounding spaces.
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So everything is based on the 8 surrounding tiles. This actually sounds pretty lame :(n). I am still going to buy it of course because I bought all of the other expansions (even the Catapult).
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Hmmm, not that much new under the sun:
- we already had the shepherd for scoring points with animals and the aspect of pushing your luck - at least in that case the animals belonged in the medieval landscape of Carcassonne
- the so-called ringmaster seems to be a meeple as all the others (although it looks cool, he doesn't seem to live in medieval times) with extra points when neighbouring a circus tile....hmmm, didn't the vineyards do the same in another expansion?
- leaves us to the pyramid-forming acrobats...well, honestly I like the stacking-aspect of the meeples and it's the only renewing aspect of this expansion. But what if someone has two meeples in the pyramid? Is there a majority rule in that case?
Apart from the new art, which still holds me back from buying the new expansions, it seems like they are getting out of inspiration...the new game mechanics don't seem to add much extra spice to our beloved game...but i hope i'm just wrong.
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I hope the Ringmasters in all my other colours (White, Orange, Grey and unpainted) will be available to buy as soon as the new expansion is released.
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Dont forget purple and pink! I got those as extra colours hehe
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- leaves us to the pyramid-forming acrobats...well, honestly I like the stacking-aspect of the meeples and it's the only renewing aspect of this expansion. But what if someone has two meeples in the pyramid? Is there a majority rule in that case?
It says; "all three meeples are returned to their owners, who score 5 points for each acrobat returned."
So, I think there is no majority rule. If there are two red meeple and one green meeple; red player scores 10, green scores 5..
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- leaves us to the pyramid-forming acrobats...well, honestly I like the stacking-aspect of the meeples and it's the only renewing aspect of this expansion. But what if someone has two meeples in the pyramid? Is there a majority rule in that case?
It says; "all three meeples are returned to their owners, who score 5 points for each acrobat returned."
So, I think there is no majority rule. If there are two red meeple and one green meeple; red player scores 10, green scores 5..
yes you are right - red with two meeple scores 10 points and green with one meeple scors 5 points.
In the rules is an example with 2 red meeples and 1 blue meeple.
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Here's a photo showing some of the contents (from BGG)
The photo accompanies a game preview (https://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/62091?commentid=6928589#comment6928589) for the expansion.
Thanks jungleboy, I wasn't aware of that. I just saw their tweet this morning which didn't mention a post about the expansion. Cheers for finding it.
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The Ringmaster:
Finally, you can place your ringmaster on a tile as if it were a knight, robber or monk, and when that feature is scored, you receive both the points for the road, city or cloister as usual, along with a 2-point bonus for each circus tile in the eight surrounding spaces.
I've put some more information here at CarcC into the description from W. Eric Martin at BGG - see the text in bold. I did the correction reading for the rules of the 10th expansion. If there are no more changes in the printed rules then the following text included all the information of the rules:
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Finally, you can place your ringmaster on a tile as if it were a knight, robber, monk, or farmer. The ringmaster can't be placed as an artist. When that feature is scored, you receive both the points for the road, city or cloister as usual, along with a 2-point bonus for each circus tile and artists tile in the eight surrounding spaces. The ringmaster gets the bonus points even if he has not the mayority onto the feature.
At the final score at the end of the game the ringmaster gets also the 2 bonus points for the unfinished roads, cities, cloister and the farm.
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Thanks for the new info Rich_The_Fish, jungleboy, and kettlefish! My initial thoughts after reading the rules:
- Even though it has similarities with the sheep from Hills and Sheep, I like the circus tent mechanic. It's cool that it's always moving, and the luck-based aspect seems like it would just build excitement and suspense until the animal is revealed, so that's a plus. If I understand correctly it wouldn't be difficult to score 21+ points on the 7 point elephant. That's nothing to sneeze at!
- Everyone knows the real game within the game of Carcassonne is stacking your meeples, so the human pyramids are a fun idea, and would poses some interesting choices of whether placing a meeple would be worth the points in the time it could take to get it back. I could also see players trapping pyramid meeples on their tile with the tiles places close to it.
- The ringmaster is interesting to me in that he gets the 2 points per new tile surrounding him, even if he doesn't have the majority on a feature, or finishes it - if I understand correctly. Since the ringmaster can be a farmer, does that mean he could score the bonus points for tiles surrounding him at the end even if he didn't have the majority in the farm? That would be very interesting.
Overall, it looks like it has some fun new elements with mechanics that stay within the spirit of Carcassonne - judging whether or not a meeple is worth the points in the time it takes to score and the potential of trapping meeples with the pyramids, surrounding tile and meeple bonus points with the ringmaster. Of course I wish there was a classic artwork option, but from what I see I'm excited to try this new expansion out :)
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Maybe I have misinterpreted the rules and someone can explain me:
Rules (at least, published here) state that after 3rd meeple is placed to form the pyramid, they are returned to their owners with 5 points. So it means that pyramid could not even be physically built? Imagine: two meeples are already on the pyramid tile, another player places a tile in the vicinity of the pyramid and declares that he wants to place a meeple on the pyramid tile. After that action meeples to be returned to their owners immediately (OK, in the scoring phase). So what's the point of building the pyramid just for 1 second? Just for fun? The only case the pyramid is needed to be built, is playing with Dragon: he can eat acrobats before they get scored.
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The Acrobats and the Acrobats (Pyramid) tile:
Whenever you draw a pyramid tile, place it on the board legally, then choose whether you want to place a meeple on one of the two spaces. A player who places any subsequent tile in one of the eight surrounding spaces can either place a meeple on that newly-placed tile as usual or place a meeple on the pyramid tile. When the third such meeple is placed on this space — thus forming a pyramid of acrobats — all three meeples are returned to their owners, who score 5 points for each acrobat returned.
- leaves us to the pyramid-forming acrobats...well, honestly I like the stacking-aspect of the meeples and it's the only renewing aspect of this expansion. But what if someone has two meeples in the pyramid? Is there a majority rule in that case?
It says; "all three meeples are returned to their owners, who score 5 points for each acrobat returned."
So, I think there is no majority rule. If there are two red meeple and one green meeple; red player scores 10, green scores 5..
yes you are right - red with two meeple scores 10 points and green with one meeple scors 5 points.
In the rules is an example with 2 red meeples and 1 blue meeple.
Maybe I have misinterpreted the rules and someone can explain me:
Rules (at least, published here) state that after 3rd meeple is placed to form the pyramid, they are returned to their owners with 5 points. So it means that pyramid could not even be physically built? Imagine: two meeples are already on the pyramid tile, another player places a tile in the vicinity of the pyramid and declares that he wants to place a meeple on the pyramid tile. After that action meeples to be returned to their owners immediately (OK, in the scoring phase). So what's the point of building the pyramid just for 1 second? Just for fun? The only case the pyramid is needed to be built, is playing with Dragon: he can eat acrobats before they get scored.
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Here at CarcC I put some more rules in bold in the text from W.Eric Martin from BGG
Whenever you draw a pyramid tile, place it on the board legally, then choose whether you want to place a meeple as an acrobat on one of the two spaces. A player who places any subsequent tile in one of the eight surrounding spaces can either place a meeple on that newly-placed tile as usual or place a meeple on the pyramid tile. When the third such meeple is placed on this space (on the top of the other two acrobats) — thus forming a pyramid of acrobats - the acrobat pyramid is finished but not scored in this turn. When the player draws and places a new pyramid tile - then the player can choose on which pyramid tile he likes to place his meeple as an acrobat.
When an acrobat pyramid is already finished (usually at the beginning of the players turn) and the player decided not to place a meeple or other figure during the "wood move" - the player then can score the acrobat pyramid - all three meeples are returned to their owners, who score 5 points for each acrobat returned. The player can score the acrobat pyramid even if he has not an own acrobat in the pyramid.
more rules will follow.
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When the third such meeple is placed on this space (on the top of the other two acrobats) — thus forming a pyramid of acrobats - the acrobat pyramid is finished but not scored in this turn.
OK, that makes sense to build a pyramid.
The player can score the acrobat pyramid even if he has not an own acrobat in the pyramid.
I suspect nobody will choose to score a pyramid where he isn't represented :)
Thanks for clarifications, kettlefish!
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It makes it a bit of a gamble to i guess. If you cant complete and later score a pyramid, you lose a meeple untill the end of the game if i understand it correctly. Sounds interesting...
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When the third such meeple is placed on this space (on the top of the other two acrobats) — thus forming a pyramid of acrobats - the acrobat pyramid is finished but not scored in this turn.
OK, that makes sense to build a pyramid.
The player can score the acrobat pyramid even if he has not an own acrobat in the pyramid.
I suspect nobody will choose to score a pyramid where he isn't represented :)
Thanks for clarifications, kettlefish!
Oh - there are still more rules and it can be interesting to score the acrobat from the other player if you don't like that the other player would get the points for the circus tent...
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The player can score the acrobat pyramid even if he has not an own acrobat in the pyramid.
I suspect nobody will choose to score a pyramid where he isn't represented :)
It can make sense for various reasons. For example if the pyramid is located in the vicinity of your castle(s) (by the way, how many points do you get for your castle then? 15?), or your robber (on the scoring board) is standing next to the player who has the most acrobats in the pyramid.
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Looking forward to punching the tiles and giving it a go. I'd be scared to make a pyramid while playing with MrNumbers or Jere, they're pretty good at trapping a meeple on a cloister. Trapping two or three meeple in one go might be a nice target.
It also sounds like it's not possible to complete a Pyramid if you are playing with German Castles....The pyramid must be surrounded by 8-tiles.
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Video here:
https://youtu.be/c9wZVLvSQE4
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Looking forward to punching the tiles and giving it a go. I'd be scared to make a pyramid while playing with MrNumbers or Jere, they're pretty good at trapping a meeple on a cloister. Trapping two or three meeple in one go might be a nice target.
It also sounds like it's not possible to complete a Pyramid if you are playing with German Castles....The pyramid must be surrounded by 8-tiles.
I assume a German Castle would count as two tiles for this purpose, as they do for cloisters, yes?
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I assume a German Castle would count as two tiles for this purpose, as they do for cloisters, yes?
This seems like another good situation where it would be sensible to count the German Castles as 2 tiles rather than 1. Sense doesn’t really come into it though. I guess we’ll see what HiG have to say about it, if indeed they’re prepared to comment...
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I assume a German Castle would count as two tiles for this purpose, as they do for cloisters, yes?
This seems like another good situation where it would be sensible to count the German Castles as 2 tiles rather than 1. Sense doesn’t really come into it though. I guess we’ll see what HiG have to say about it, if indeed they’re prepared to comment...
I have tried to remove all traces of the 2 tiles vs 1 tile German Castles debate from my memory. But in this I agree completely with Dan.
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But it's only 1 tile :(y)
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Thanks for reminding us Decar! :o
I guess they might have covered themselves with their “use this expansion with other expansions at your own risk” disclaimer like the one we saw at the bottom of Watchtowers. In which case, a Carc 2.0 CAR is going to be pretty short.
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Here's my advice:
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The HIG guy in the video has been the one who has responded to some of my emails to Cundco. I find it funny because he referred to the ringmaster as "the director" and he himself is a director. He should have worn a wooden top hat in the video and tied it all together.
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It also sounds like it's not possible to complete a Pyramid if you are playing with German Castles....The pyramid must be surrounded by 8-tiles.
Do I miss something? How can German Castles prevent completion of the pyramid? Why does the pyramid need to be surrounded by 8-tiles?
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As far as i understand, if you place a tile in the surrounding 8, you can place a meeple on the pyramid. And with 3 meeples its completed. With the next surrounding tile you can score the pyramid, but it doesnt need to be completely surrounded does it?
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As far as i understand, if you place a tile in the surrounding 8, you can place a meeple on the pyramid. And with 3 meeples its completed. With the next surrounding tile you can score the pyramid, but it doesnt need to be completely surrounded does it?
I guess once the pyramid is completed you do not need to place a surrounding tile. After placing a tile anywhere if you decide not to place a meeple you can score the pyramid. So, only three surrounding (orthagonally or diagonally) tile is enough (Actually four because you need to place the pyramid tile adjacent to another tile first).
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I assume a German Castle would count as two tiles for this purpose, as they do for cloisters, yes?
This seems like another good situation where it would be sensible to count the German Castles as 2 tiles rather than 1. Sense doesn’t really come into it though. I guess we’ll see what HiG have to say about it, if indeed they’re prepared to comment...
I have tried to remove all traces of the 2 tiles vs 1 tile German Castles debate from my memory. But in this I agree completely with Dan.
Smart move, trying to remove all traces. Everybody knows they count as 2 tiles >:D ;)
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Below you can find the Dutch box from 999 games
http://www.999games.nl/nieuws/nieuws/the-circus-is-in-town.html (http://www.999games.nl/nieuws/nieuws/the-circus-is-in-town.html)
"Het Circus" translates in English to "The Circus", so I would bet $5 that is what the Expansion will be called in English.
My Dutch is slightly worse than my German (which is terrible), but I believe it says "We recommend using this expansion only with the base game of Carcassonne...
We hope to have Carcassonne: Circus in stores in the next 2 months."
I guess we may never get an official ruling as to whether or not the dragon can eat the circus animals (He totally can :(y)).
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My Dutch is slightly worse than my German, but I believe it says "We recommend using this expansion only with the base game of Carcassonne...
We hope to have Carcassonne: Circus in stores in the next 2 months."
It says they recommend to play it with Carcassonne base game 2.0. But, that it can be played with Carc 1 and the existing expansions altough the front of the tiles is different.
And your right about the delivery status, they hope to have it in stores in 2 months time.
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Thanks! Merit for fixing my translation.
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Below you can find the Dutch box from 999 games
http://www.999games.nl/nieuws/nieuws/the-circus-is-in-town.html (http://www.999games.nl/nieuws/nieuws/the-circus-is-in-town.html)
"Het Circus" translates in English to "The Circus", so I would bet $5 that is what the Expansion will be called in English.
My Dutch is slightly worse than my German (which is terrible), but I believe it says "We recommend using this expansion only with the base game of Carcassonne...
We hope to have Carcassonne: Circus in stores in the next 2 months."
I guess we may never get an official ruling as to whether or not the dragon can eat the circus animals (He totally can :(y)).
The expansion will be in German stores in 2 months or US stores as well?
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This is from the dutch publisher. They say theyve got the files and are going into the printing process now. So they hope they can have it in stores in holland in 2 months. I guess germany will be around the same time.
Z-man games does US/UK i believe. I cant find anything on their website about it just yet, so its unsure at the moment
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Here you can pre order, they talk about mid march
https://www.spiele-offensive.de/Spiel/Carcassonne-Manege-frei-10-Erweiterung-1019434.html (https://www.spiele-offensive.de/Spiel/Carcassonne-Manege-frei-10-Erweiterung-1019434.html)
I'm waiting for french edition, but I've seen that Filosofia have been buy by Asmodee. :black1-meeple:
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The expansion will be in German stores in 2 months or US stores as well?
ZMan only has the first 3 expansion available in new art in the US. We will be lucky to have "The Circus" by September.
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Zman are 12 to 18months behind the rest of the world. If you want/need the English printing id recommend putting it on you 2018 birthday list, not your 2017 Christmas list ;(
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Zman are 12 to 18monthd behind the rest of the world. If you want/need the english printing id recommend putting ut on you 2018 birthday list, bot you 2017 Christmas list ;(
And I'd recommend not drinking those 14 beers over lunch :)
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As far as I understood it right, HiG wanted to publish the expansion befor Easter. At least it sounded like we would be able to buy it with our traditional Easter orders at CundCo.
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Zman are 12 to 18monthd behind the rest of the world. If you want/need the english printing id recommend putting ut on you 2018 birthday list, bot you 2017 Christmas list ;(
And I'd recommend not drinking those 14 beers over lunch :)
My phone's doing a terrible job of reading my fingers and thumbs at the moment!
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https://www.goedkopegezelschapsspellen.nl/nl/product/carcassonne-uitbr-10-het-circus/
Another Dutch website that has announced the 10th expansion.
They say its expected to be available from april 2017. Description is the same as before, they advice to use it with new artwork, since the tiles are in the new style, but is playable with the old artwork and expansions.
It does say that with the basegame, this expansion can be played with up to 5 players, but with the first expansion Inns&Cathedrals a 6th player can join. So do they mean there are 6 circusdirector meeples in the expansion?
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Here's a photo showing some of the contents (from BGG)
6 here.
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Yeah, reading back I see the pictures and descriptions with 6 meeples, so thats good :)
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Z-man games have annouced the new expansion now as well on their website and Facebook.
http://www.zmangames.com/news/the-circus-is-coming-to-carcassonne
Appearently its gonna be called 'Under the big top'.
They havent given any dates, just say its coming soon
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Gosh, that's such a poor name (as is the German original). Look how it flows in conversation:
"Which expansions do you want to play with?"
"Can we play with Under the Big Top?"
"Oh yes, I love Under the Big Top!"
Everyone will probably just call it The Circus anyway, so why didn't they just call it that?
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It gets even more confusing when you play Carcassone Under the big top under a big top. It's what I'll be doing next time the circus comes to town....play carcassonne the circus at the circus...this ks why I'm not allowed in inns and cathedrals anymore....
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Agreed. We've refering to it as the circus so far and we're not thinking of changing :)
And Decar, are you also actively looking for towers, catapult, hills etc? ;) i do wonder how that works in a river....
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Ive saod before: I'm disappointed everytime I see a catapult...I'm not sure I would play in one though!
You've given me a great idea for a craft project....water proof tiles!
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"Under the big top" eh? They missed a ton of opportunities here. If they are including ring masters, they should have put in a few lion meeples that could maul them. Through clever tile placement a player can join a feature containing a lion with that containing a ring master and remove both from play. To be honest, I think clown meeples would have been better as it would have been fun to have a small bag that appeared to hold only 4 or 5 clown meeples, but when you turned it over 30 came out.
Ive saod before: I'm disappointed everytime I see a catapult...I'm not sure I would play in one though!
You've given me a great idea for a craft project....water proof tiles!
Years ago people would try to take funny photos while on amusement park rides. On a few of them the people where playing board games like Chess and Monopoly examples (one of which has foul language unforunately) (https://www.buzzfeed.com/donnad/the-best-staged-splash-mountain-photos?utm_term=.icREwqEQzY#.qmRGDEGwQB). If you figure out the waterproof tiles, we can play Carcassonne on a log flume.
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Under The Big Top is such a weird title. The Dutch title will just be The Circus.
Not that I'm interested in this new-art-only expansion... ;)
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Out of the different titles that have come out now, Manege Frei, Het Circus and Under the big top, I also like the Dutch one the most, I think just because its a clear title to what the theme is for the expansion. So we'll probably end up calling it that
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I'm more concerned the artwork is missing watermarks - except one tile were it's totally in the wrong place :o :o
No i lie - I'm not concerned at all, I'd play it any which way it comes tbh.
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What do you mean Decar? The picture i have shows a watermark on the tiles, and 1 tile with the mark only half on the tile :o
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(http://www.zmangames.com/uploads/4/7/1/7/47170931/published/zm7820-spread_1.png?1488822775)
These were the only tiles with watermarks i could see!
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I see you meant this image from bgg:
https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3385202/carcassonne-manege-frei
They're not great are they.
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In Finland the title is going to be "Teltta ja Tirehtööri", which translates to "Tent and the Ringmaster / Circus Director". Why not simply plain Sirkus...
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In Finland the title is going to be "Teltta ja Tirehtööri", which translates to "Tent and the Ringmaster / Circus Director". Why not simply plain Sirkus...
That is the worst yet. How does one pronounce "Tirehtoori"? Tire+Tory?
Kudos to the Dutch for getting it right. :(y) Too bad I can't merit a nation.
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In Finland the title is going to be "Teltta ja Tirehtööri", which translates to "Tent and the Ringmaster / Circus Director". Why not simply plain Sirkus...
That is the worst yet. How does one pronounce "Tirehtoori"? Tire+Tory?
Kudos to the Dutch for getting it right. :(y) Too bad I can't merit a nation.
Don't forget the belgians...
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That is the worst yet. How does one pronounce "Tirehtoori"? Tire+Tory?
I'm not Finnish but as well as I know it is pronounced exactly the way it is written. :)
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Don't forget the belgians...
They can be mad at me for a while. I have already discovered the secret of their delicious waffles. ^-^
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Don't forget the belgians...
They can be mad at me for a while. I have already discovered the secret of their delicious waffles. ^-^
...it's with that kind of approach the famous belgian fries are called world wide "french fries"....lucky for u's, we still have are Belgian chocolate...for the time being that is.
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That is the worst yet. How does one pronounce "Tirehtoori"? Tire+Tory?
I'm not Finnish but as well as I know it is pronounced exactly the way it is written. :)
Leven, that is perfectly correct! Nice to know somebody knows something about Finland ;D The only exception is if there are letters NG in the middle of a word, then it is pronounced slightly different. Everything else, just like it is written.
dirk2112, if you are interested to know how it actually sounds, try this: http://www.oddcast.com/demos/tts/tts_example.php?clients
Make sure to pick Mikko as a voice, he sounded most natural ;)
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...it's with that kind of approach the famous belgian fries are called world wide "french fries"....lucky for u's, we still have are Belgian chocolate...for the time being that is.
Oh... , thodekey, and I thought it was Swiss chocolate... :o
Ok, I looked it up: It is Swiss chocolate (http://cdn1.listovative.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Swiss-Chocolate.jpg). ... Yep, definitely (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-VbT1-vsWWSs/Tn06omMsEwI/AAAAAAAAN7I/2sGM8FB9UAg/s1600/1.1285022695.swiss-chocolate.jpg). ;P
Well, at least Frenchmen were clever and took something good. Germans weren't that lucky and only got a certain WWII Dictator...
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Indeed the Finnish name it is my favourite, because it follows the tradition of naming the expansions in the format "A & B" or "A, B & C" according to what it contains.
However, I'd have preferred something like "Troubadour & Jester". Circuses are just so NOT medieval. I truly believe that there would have been plenty of potential in Jesters, Minstrels and Troubadours, acrobats, jugglers, conjurers, feasts and fairs. Wouldn't it have been lovely to see our princess playing with her jester and troubadours trying to appease the dragon?
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ZMan's news says, "The Circus is Coming to Carcassonne" and then the box says "Under the Big Top". I think some of the people there agree that the expansion should be "The Circus".
dirk2112, if you are interested to know how it actually sounds, try this: http://www.oddcast.com/demos/tts/tts_example.php?clients
Make sure to pick Mikko as a voice, he sounded most natural ;)
Thanks! Now I know what to say if I meet anyone from Finland who asks me what I do for a living. :))
...it's with that kind of approach the famous belgian fries are called world wide "french fries"....lucky for u's, we still have are Belgian chocolate...for the time being that is.
While I was in Brussels, I acquired a taste for mayonnaise on my belgian fries. When I do that here, my fellow Americans look at me with disdain. The other discovery I made was escargot I purchased from a street vendor :(y). That was much better than the broodje haring I had in the Netherlands :(n).
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Im Dying inside keep checking the Cundco website every day for Manege Frei !!! they originaly said it will be released in March does anyone have an idea of when in march?
Need to ORDER! :pink-meeple: :pink-meeple: :orange-meeple: :orange-meeple: :white-meeple: :white-meeple:
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Im Dying inside keep checking the Cundco website every day for Manege Frei !!! they originaly said it will be released in March does anyone have an idea of when in march?
Need to ORDER! :pink-meeple: :pink-meeple: :orange-meeple: :orange-meeple: :white-meeple: :white-meeple:
Glad to see that someone is excited about this expansion :)
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I will buy it, but I like what Safari said on CarcF about something more medieval, may be like my lady carcas expansion, something more fantasy and epic. :black1-meeple:
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I will buy it, but I like what Safari said on CarcF about something more medieval, may be like my lady carcas expansion, something more fantasy and epic. :black1-meeple:
Well, I said the same here, just a bit shorter: ;D
However, I'd have preferred something like "Troubadour & Jester". Circuses are just so NOT medieval. I truly believe that there would have been plenty of potential in Jesters, Minstrels and Troubadours, acrobats, jugglers, conjurers, feasts and fairs. Wouldn't it have been lovely to see our princess playing with her jester and troubadours trying to appease the dragon?
I probably won't buy it unless they sell it in a Big Box together with at least the base game, the abbots and the new river for a very good price (I think of something like the 26–29 euros I paid for BB 4 back then). :D
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Carcassonne - 10. Erw. - Manege frei! (new edition)
Item ID: 48268
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official german rule (HiG)
@BGG
https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/145186/carcassonne-manege-frei-german-rules (https://boardgamegeek.com/filepage/145186/carcassonne-manege-frei-german-rules)
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Thanks for this link BigBoss. I have sent this off to a friend of a friend for translation into English in the hope that it is done before my order gets here, (currently on its way from Germany). :(y)
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So, what is the current official stance on redrawing the tiles in the old-artwork style? Is a remake of this planned?
I mean, I'm going to buy it either way – for the box and the figures – but I'd like to know if I'll be able to use this in my games with all the old expansions as well (would like to try some interactions), due to the fact I lack the skills to remake it myself and combining the two is... eh... no, thanks.
Also, does anyone understand the purpose of the tent, other than making the tile in question easier to spot at first glance? I mean, there is always only one token in the game at any given time, isn't there? No reason to mark the place with an additional figure other than improving the readability and aesthetic value. I find it kind of interesting. I don't remember ever seeing an essentially "pointless" piece of wood in the game before.
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Given the current status of fan-expansions here at CarcC, I highly doubt you'll find an old-style remake here I'm afraid. Even before we get into the legals. If we hosted the artwork, I suspect it would be seen as a way for people to NOT buy the new expansion; and that would make us liable for loss of earnings from HiG & all the other publishers.
I can't stop you doing them yourself though.
As far as my German goes: like this:
You draw a tile that needs a hut. You hide an animal marker under it - then put you hut on top of it. You may then play a meeple like normal. When a new tile is draw you move the hut (then the hidden marker is scored). Each Meeple (in the surrounding 9) scores the points on the animal marker.
So the tent just marks (and hides) the current circus, which moves around the map. I guess you could do it without the tent, and just flip the markers.
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Ok, thank You for Your answer. I fully understand how this might be problematic, so I won't hold my breath for it.
I mean, I know I would buy the expansion anyway – the game is an intellectual property and I would feel like a thief if I just simply printed it at home without paying a cent to the publisher. But I understand this would not be true for all.
Perhaps I'll try to make some for my own personal use, although I don't consider myself a good artist at all and would probably rather go with an unfitting professional design than an unfitting homemade one.
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It's a rock and a hard place I'm afraid - thankfully I've come to terms with the new artwork and quite happily play with a mish-mash of artwork so long as the game functions (and space/time is preserved).
Welcome to the forum by the way - I didn't notice it was your first post :(y)
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So, what is the current official stance on redrawing the tiles in the old-artwork style? Is a remake of this planned?
I mean, I'm going to buy it either way – for the box and the figures – but I'd like to know if I'll be able to use this in my games with all the old expansions as well (would like to try some interactions), due to the fact I lack the skills to remake it myself and combining the two is... eh... no, thanks.
Until someone creates an old artwork variant (I assume it will rather happen at the German forum) you can try this expansion with the Catapult tiles by slightly modified rules (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3216.0). Of course the tile configurations are different but still it's lot of fun.
Also, does anyone understand the purpose of the tent, other than making the tile in question easier to spot at first glance? I mean, there is always only one token in the game at any given time, isn't there? No reason to mark the place with an additional figure other than improving the readability and aesthetic value. I find it kind of interesting. I don't remember ever seeing an essentially "pointless" piece of wood in the game before.
Indeed, the rules say that the animal tokens should be removed from the game after circus scoring ("Nach der Wertung nimmst du das Tierplättchen aus dem Spiel und legst es offen neben die Auslage") though I was a bit surprised by reading that.
But there is something in the rules that surprised me even more: at the end of the game the artists gain the 5 points even if the pyramid isn't complete.
("Am Ende des Spieles erhältst du für jeden Artisten-Meeple ebenfalls 5 Punkte, egal wie weit die Pyramide gebaut wurde.")
I thought artists should present some spectacular performance to get points, but what is the spectacle if the meeple is standing alone?
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Perhaps they're a tumbler- a solo act?
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Question for those of you with a copy: did they fix the terrible watermarks?
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My watermarks appear to be sound. Will attach a photo when I get home.
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It's a rock and a hard place I'm afraid - thankfully I've come to terms with the new artwork and quite happily play with a mish-mash of artwork so long as the game functions (and space/time is preserved).
Welcome to the forum by the way - I didn't notice it was your first post :(y)
Oh, thank you. :)
I used to lurk a lot on this forum, so I didn't realize it was my first post either. :D We have just finished our collection so I'm kind of enthusiastic now.
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Question for those of you with a copy: did they fix the terrible watermarks?
Decar, photo as promised. I think you will agree that these look a lot better than the pre-release versions.
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Is it just me or do the roads not line up right? Especially on the fourth tile down in the first row.
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Is it just me or do the roads not line up right?
That's been a problem for years in the old art.
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Thanks Steve, they dont look too bad. The roads seem very white.
I have to ask, how long did it take you to accept the FRCR tile in the top left hand corner ;)
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I have to ask, how long did it take you to accept the FRCR tile in the top left hand corner ;)
It's easily fixable. Swap the second tile from the top in the first column with the fourth tile from the top in the first column. Rotate both accordingly.
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fix3d it! :(y) :(y)
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fix3d it! :(y) :(y)
Nice one! For your next trick, arrange the castle walls from Carcassonne: the Castle in three layers inside a Basically Wooden box.
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...that might take me a few minutes...
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ha - I did it!
:(y) :(y) :(y)
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Is it just me or do the roads not line up right?
That's been a problem for years in the old art.
I have noticed the old art roads being a little off. That new one just seemed more so. It could be because the roads in 1200AD were a lot cleaner and whiter than they are now. :))
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Thanks Steve, they dont look too bad. The roads seem very white.
I have to ask, how long did it take you to accept the FRCR tile in the top left hand corner ;)
I think that you have just given me an insight as to why I keep losing my games! ;D
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you get +1 merit from me for posting the image though!
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Official Link from HiG:
http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/carcassonne/erweiterungen/manage-frei/ (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/carcassonne/erweiterungen/manage-frei/)
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The beer is late for the party :black1-meeple:
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The beer is late for the party :black1-meeple:
That is too great! :(y) I have to find that custom set with the windmill and print it off. ;D
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That is too great! :(y) I have to find that custom set with the windmill and print it off. ;D
Neue Wehr-türme und Mühlen-karten 2013
http://www.carcassonne-welt.de/user/wehrturmmuehle.jpg (http://www.carcassonne-welt.de/user/wehrturmmuehle.jpg)
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No wonder I could not find the thread, there's no title and the search for both Under the Big Top and Menage Frei failed to show it. Moved my post to this thread and updated Subject line.
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Saw on boardgamegeek.com they have some images posted: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3509845/carcassonne-manege-frei
Another image with a glimpse of the rules: https://boardgamegeek.com/image/3509844/carcassonne-manege-frei
And here is the link to the actual expansion over there: https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgameexpansion/217006/carcassonne-manege-frei
Looking forward to buying this. About time several new tiles are added.
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It's now able to be preordered:
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/zmg7820.html
http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/239860
Supposed to be available in the USA June 2017
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Looks like the estimated release date in the US is 6th July: http://www.coolstuffinc.com/p/239860
Looking forward to it!
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Let's see where this expansion goes!
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It is now officially released in the US.
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Hope you enjoy it!
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Also released in Australia this week - I got an email on Tuesday to say it was on its way! :)
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Mine arrived today. Just digesting the new rules.
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Mine arrived today. Just digesting the new rules.
Two pyramids of acrobats next to the circus tent, and then reveal the flea...that should keep the guys amused!! :D
Hope that you like it as much as I do. It goes very well with the watchtowers too, as the game mechanic is similar. :(y)
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Picked up my copy today from Travelling Man, now freaking out about mixing old and new artwork!
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Picked up my copy today from Travelling Man, now freaking out about mixing old and new artwork!
Like the Bane to my Batman!
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Anyone know how to get spare gray and white Ringmasters to match the old sets?
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Just played a 2 player game. The scoring potential of Expansion 10 is amazing!
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Anyone know how to get spare gray and white Ringmasters to match the old sets?
Paint them!
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Just played a 2 player game. The scoring potential of Expansion 10 is amazing!
Yep, it's definitely not something where you can just ignore the newly introduced bits and bobs and hope to win just by generating points in the classic way. When Decar and I played a little while ago I think the final score was something like 301 each for a basic game +this expansion only!
EDIT: OK then, maybe it was 209 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3329.msg49471#msg49471)...
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Agree with you both! My girlfriend and I also found it had a nice, co-operative feel for most of the game, with both players joining pyramids or being jointly invested in the circus tent reveal. Not sure that it would scale well to playing with lots of expansions together, but it was more enjoyably 'different' and quirky than I was expecting.
The Ringmaster feels a little underpowered though... I kept forgetting to use him!
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EDIT: OK then, maybe it was 209 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3329.msg49471#msg49471)...
Hehe, I was going to look - I don't recall it being quite so high!
Edit: The Ringmaster was a great addition. It acts just like an extra meeple, which is required for the tile count, but it also scores a few extra points near Circus tiles. :(y) :(y)
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Hope you enjoy it! Let us know your thoughts!
Played one game last night with base game, river, abbots, and Under the Big Top. Usually playing just base, river, and abbots (2 player game) our scores are each between 100-150. With under the big top added in final score was 260 (me) to 246 (wife). So with just UTBT added in, an extra 120+ points each. Seems like a lot of extra points for just 20 tiles. There was only one circus where nobody scored any points because we didn't have any meeples nearby. My wife 2 different times had 2 meeples on acrobat tiles and she ran out of meeples, so she had no way to finish and score the acrobat tile right away. Both times I was nice and played my meeple on the acrobat tile so she could score and get them back. It was definitely fun getting the extra ringmaster points. We got 4 or 6 extra points each time our ringmasters scored. My wife played her ringmaster out 5 or 6 times, and I only played mine 3 times. I made the mistake of playing him on a monastery that I couldn't get completed for a long stretch in the middle, but at least he scored on 2 different circus tents while waiting. My wife kept asking the strategy on where to place tent/acrobat tiles. I said you want to play the tent close to your meeples out on the board, and the acrobats in as open an area as possible, so you have the most opportunities to play around it and build up the acrobat tower. Several times I purposely did not complete a city or road with my meeple in it because it was near the current circus tent and wanted to wait until after the tent scored to complete it. I kept thinking during the game that I was getting so many extra points from this expansion. The only expansions that I've played that give a bunch of extra points during game play are Inns and Cathedrals (from scoring the inn roads and cathedral cities) Hills and Sheep (from scoring the flock and vineyards). But I think Under the Big Top gives even more extra points than either of those expansions. The winning strategy will capitalize on all the extra points they can get from this expansion, because there are a ton of extra points available here. And points are always fun to get!!!
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Hope you enjoy it! Let us know your thoughts!
Played one game last night with base game, river, abbots, and Under the Big Top. Usually playing just base, river, and abbots (2 player game) our scores are each between 100-150. With under the big top added in final score was 260 (me) to 246 (wife). So with just UTBT added in, an extra 120+ points each. Seems like a lot of extra points for just 20 tiles. There was only one circus where nobody scored any points because we didn't have any meeples nearby. My wife 2 different times had 2 meeples on acrobat tiles and she ran out of meeples, so she had no way to finish and score the acrobat tile right away. Both times I was nice and played my meeple on the acrobat tile so she could score and get them back. It was definitely fun getting the extra ringmaster points. We got 4 or 6 extra points each time our ringmasters scored. My wife played her ringmaster out 5 or 6 times, and I only played mine 3 times. I made the mistake of playing him on a monastery that I couldn't get completed for a long stretch in the middle, but at least he scored on 2 different circus tents while waiting. My wife kept asking the strategy on where to place tent/acrobat tiles. I said you want to play the tent close to your meeples out on the board, and the acrobats in as open an area as possible, so you have the most opportunities to play around it and build up the acrobat tower. Several times I purposely did not complete a city or road with my meeple in it because it was near the current circus tent and wanted to wait until after the tent scored to complete it. I kept thinking during the game that I was getting so many extra points from this expansion. The only expansions that I've played that give a bunch of extra points during game play are Inns and Cathedrals (from scoring the inn roads and cathedral cities) Hills and Sheep (from scoring the flock and vineyards). But I think Under the Big Top gives even more extra points than either of those expansions. The winning strategy will capitalize on all the extra points they can get from this expansion, because there are a ton of extra points available here. And points are always fun to get!!!
Nice write up. A merit from me.
You might add in the Watchtowers for an even bigger points kick! :))
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Nice write up. A merit from me.
You might add in the Watchtowers for an even bigger points kick! :))
That's one of my next purchases.
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Anyone painted white stripes on the big top yet?
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Agree with you both! My girlfriend and I also found it had a nice, co-operative feel for most of the game, with both players joining pyramids or being jointly invested in the circus tent reveal. Not sure that it would scale well to playing with lots of expansions together, but it was more enjoyably 'different' and quirky than I was expecting.
The Ringmaster feels a little underpowered though... I kept forgetting to use him!
My wife and I played a multi-expansion game last night (second game with Under the Big Top) with the following expansions:
- Base game
- The River
- Inns and Cathedrals
- Traders and Builders
- The Princess and the Dragon
- Mayor and Abbey
- Under the Big Top
- Watchtowers
- The Festival
- Labyrinth, Spiel 15, and Spiel 16
When we play big games like this, it is always a nice surprise when one of the special or unique tiles comes up, but it was particularly fun last night every time a circus-type tile appeared. We discovered that our tendency was to keep all circus type tiles near each other, to work together, and that the dragon became less of a game piece because we didn't want to destroy our circus work. We moved the fairy to our acrobats quite a bit. Ringmaster was utilized pretty well, about 6 times each, by each of us, and always it seemed to claim a feature attached to a circus. His bonus points were nice to include. The anticipation of the animal score value was fun, with our highest score happening when we had two acrobat tiles surrounding the big top as an elephant appeared.
As for scoring, I won 566 to 549. Insane.
All in all, we typically play with 1-2 large expansions and a small expansion each time we play. I anticipate this will become one we use quite often. In fact, we talked about a "fun" themed game, with Base, River, Festival, and UTBT as well as our three promo tiles. In my opinion, it is a solid expansion.
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That sounds like a fun game Xan, thanks for the write-up. I don't suppose you took any photos did you?
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So happy I finally found one of my local store selling this. But at 18 Euros, I prefer to wait for the other local store to release theirs at 13 Euros.
The difference is, I believe, the expensive one is the English version which sadly is the one I want.
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The English stuff always costs more. :( It was cheaper for me to order Schafe und Hügel and Brücken, Burgen und Basare from amazon.de than to order Hills & Sheep and Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars from amazon.com in the U.S., where I live.
I have a feeling that if I lived somewhere in Europe, I'd also have Belagerer/Besiegers by now.
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The English stuff always costs more. :( It was cheaper for me to order Schafe und Hügel and Brücken, Burgen und Basare from amazon.de than to order Hills & Sheep and Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars from amazon.com in the U.S., where I live.
I have a feeling that if I lived somewhere in Europe, I'd also have Belagerer/Besiegers by now.
The reason the English versions cost more here according to the local clerks is because they seem to only be printed in the US and Europe has to import them. Scandinavian version is a lot cheaper no doubt due to producing seems to take place here in Sweden by Enigma.
Of course, should I stop enjoying life and get a real job, none of this would be an issue. :@
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We had this same problem when my wife and I bought Takenoko Chibis (an epic expansion to an epic game!) since we find it for about £20 in German but a lot more in English.
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We finally acquired Under the Big Top. It was $18 at the FLGS. I think you can get it for $15 or less online. We have had a lot of family issues going on, so we haven't had a chance to play it yet. It really sucks walking past the unopened box and not having time to get the family together for a game.
We had this same problem when my wife and I bought Takenoko Chibis (an epic expansion to an epic game!) since we find it for about £20 in German but a lot more in English.
Really? It wasn't that expensive in the US. Maybe it has gone up because it is out of print. We love Takenoko, but we found Chibis to be very lacking. My wife loves the female Panda figurine though.
If you really want to spend $$$ there is a LARGE version of the game.
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Just bought Under the Big Top. It was either that or pay almost the same price on CoolStuffInc for shipping of my Kingdom Builder Big Box (Second Edition). Expansion 10 pushed my price over $100 by 25¢. Win! Even though it is in the new art, I liked the mechanics of this expansion enough to get it. I suspect I, like most people here, will inevitably start polluting their tiles with Carc2 material until they eventually buy Big Box 7...or 8...or 9....
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I suspect I, like most people here, will inevitably start polluting their tiles with Carc2 material
But fortunately we don't have to. HiG has already canonized the German player community's conversions of The Abbot and The Watchtowers (https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewforum.php?f=310), and I suspect that UtBT is not too far behind them. It's hard to think of a better reason to order a bunch of blank tiles from Cundco (https://cundco.de/en/accessories/86/carcassonne-blankoboegen).
In case anyone hasn't seen the artwork yet...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/82aiyg3e5/Sample_Tiles-_TA-_TWT-800.png)
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I just think that the publisher have stolen the idea from several fan-made expansions (mine included)
with taking the meeples from the stand-alone games instead of making new meeples.
I used those meeples for my fan-made expansions because I really didn't have a way of making
new meeples of my own, so it's kind of boring that the publisher don't even bother making new meeples.
Since I have been away from the forum (and the game) for about three years, I had only heard about a
new design of the original game. I hadn't realized that they have re-done the artwork for several of the
expansions as well. That's such a disaster, that I won't ever buy anything with the new design.
Back in 2013 or so, we spoke about how they treated old fans of the game by releasing big boxes with
a few new tiles in them to get fans to buy the original game over and over.
This with the new design is even worse.
It's apparent that they don't think about the old fans at all.
Strange though that many seem to think it is great that Under the Top raises the points for the game so much.
That was usually a thing that I was under a lot of pressure from people to lower the point scoring in my fan-made expansions.
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Hello wicke, welcome back to the forums! It's been a long time... :(y)
You've raised some interesting points here, which I think were shared by many of us when it first became apparent to us what was happening with the new artwork edition. However, rather than being seen as an attempt to force everyone to rebuy everything, the series reboot looks more to me like an attempt to attract newcomers to the game and therefore tap into a whole new source of income as they sell all the classic expansions as and when they become available in the new artwork to a whole new audience. It's a lot of work, but there's big bucks in it if it pays off.
Personally I don't think this was an attempt to force anybody to go out and start their collections all over again, although the fact that a certain number of expansions have been released purely in the new artwork without any official backwards-compatible version for those who are dedicated to the old artwork has done more than merely raised a few eyebrows here!
Obviously HiG are a business who want to make money, but I think actions like these that can be perceived as being greedy, money-grabbing or disrespectful to their loyal fans are actually more to do with their misunderstanding of the completionist mentality among those of us who resent the idea of buying a whole new Big Box for a few extra tiles, but feel compelled to do it anyway as we'd be missing out on something otherwise. In fact, originally it was suggested that nobody would have to rebuy anything as the backs of the tiles are compatible so the different versions of the artwork could be mixed together. This is no longer a realistic option now that there have been subtle differences introduced in the expansion rules between artwork versions (the Abbots and the wagon being a good case in point), but it does suggest that their intentions were good. Or maybe I'm just being gullible.
I don't mind high-scoring games but it is important that everything is balanced, otherwise newly introduced concepts can easily negate the usefulness of, or interest in some of the more traditional features while players concentrate purely on building pyramids or placing their meeples near to the next circus tent in anticipation of a huge points payout. I do think this expansion is a little unbalanced in this respect, but it's fun to play which makes it worth the purchase as far as I'm concerned.
PS - based on their attendance record here at CarcC, I'm pretty sure HiG haven't been here to steal fan expansion ideas that they can turn into saleable expansions! C:-)
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Thanks for welcoming me back,
although I might just vanish again, since I really don't have that much time to spend,
and since the new design have stopped my lust for collecting any more.
I might try and collect the extra tiles there are in the old design but I haven't really checked how many there are, and how to get them.
What I would like to have though, are a few Stormtrooper meeples, but sadly MeepleSource have stopped selling them.
Yes, I know that HiG doesn't really keep up with the forum (sadly) but I am pretty sure they have heard, at least rumours, about many fan made expansions, and variants.
Of course they would never admit if they had taken ideas from any fan made expansion, but never mind, I just thought it was boring that the new Under the Top expansion used old stand-alone meeples.
Keep up the good work with the forum, hope it will grow again, even though I have lost interest.
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Today I bought Under the Big Top. English version for 18 Euros. Coulddn't wait.
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My copy arrived from Cundco earlier in the week. German copy so got to find the English rules.
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got to find the English rules
There's a download link on this page: https://www.zmangames.com/en/products/carcassonne-expansion-10-under-big-top/
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Thanks Bill. Downloaded:)
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I suspect I, like most people here, will inevitably start polluting their tiles with Carc2 material
But fortunately we don't have to. HiG has already canonized the German player community's conversions of The Abbot and The Watchtowers (https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewforum.php?f=310), and I suspect that UtBT is not too far behind them. It's hard to think of a better reason to order a bunch of blank tiles from Cundco (https://cundco.de/en/accessories/86/carcassonne-blankoboegen).
In case anyone hasn't seen the artwork yet...
(https://s20.postimg.cc/82aiyg3e5/Sample_Tiles-_TA-_TWT-800.png)
This is what we want! I did try and print some tiles onto label paper but they adult peeled off and the colour looked faded. How can you make a good finish when printing tiles? Could you get a printing company to do them for you?
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I recall having this problem when I used labels in my Canon printer (HP much better at this). I'd recommend tinkering with the amount of ink you use and make sure 'compression' is disabled sending data to the printer.
What make is your printer?
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We finally played with "Under the Big Top". It was a lot more fun than I thought it would be. I rarely use all my meeple, but I found myself risking it a lot in this game hoping a circus tile would come out. The most I had was 7 meeple surrounding a circus tile (it turned into 21 points). My wife lucked out and had 4 meeple by a circus when a tiger came out (24 points). The elephant came up when no meeple were around and I got a point from the flea circus ::). The acrobats are really dumb, but they are unbelievably useful in stacking meeple by circus tents. The ringmaster is great for grabbing extra points when scoring a short road or small city.
With just the basic game and this expansion, I scored 285 points and my wife score 235!
My wife really enjoyed this and she wants to play it again soon. I'm not quite sure what expansions would go well with this. I am thinking something like "Princess and Dragon" to limit some of the many point opportunities.
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Great to hear you had a similar experience playing the latest expansion. The scoring potential for this expansions is quite something!