[217.] What happens (monastery and shrine) if you remove the monk/heretic (abbot or message ?
(217.) But you receive points if you remove the abbot or use the message 8?
[218.] What happens if you remove an red abbot from a monastery occupied by this abbot and a blue big meeple?
Quote from: Carcassonne93 on April 26, 2020, 02:38:18 PM[218.] What happens if you remove an red abbot from a monastery occupied by this abbot and a blue big meeple?There is no written rule for this interaction, but if you check the Order of Play you can see that, when you remove an abbot from a monastery, you are carrying out the scoring of a figure in phase 2. Placing a meeple so no majority is applied. We are not scoring a feature like in phase 3. Scoring a feature.In this scenario, you will remove and score the red abbot, and the blue large meeple will stay on the monastery until:* The feature is completed with the blue large meeple and it is scored* The blue large meeple is removed from the monastery as a result of an action associated to an expansions that allows to remove it (scoring it or not)* The feature ends up incomplete with the blue large meeple and it is scored at the end of the gameIn the case you keep both figures on the monastery until it is scored, Blue would have the majority and would score the monastery. Red's abbot would score 0 points for the monastery.You can revisit the Order of Play here:* Order of Play: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play* Scoring rules for abbot meeple: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot#3._Scoring_with_the_Abbot* Mini #1 and special monasteries: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries#The_Flying_Machines
(218.)Quote from: Meepledrone on April 26, 2020, 04:39:04 PMQuote from: Carcassonne93 on April 26, 2020, 02:38:18 PM[218.] What happens if you remove an red abbot from a monastery occupied by this abbot and a blue big meeple?There is no written rule for this interaction, but if you check the Order of Play you can see that, when you remove an abbot from a monastery, you are carrying out the scoring of a figure in phase 2. Placing a meeple so no majority is applied. We are not scoring a feature like in phase 3. Scoring a feature.In this scenario, you will remove and score the red abbot, and the blue large meeple will stay on the monastery until:* The feature is completed with the blue large meeple and it is scored* The blue large meeple is removed from the monastery as a result of an action associated to an expansions that allows to remove it (scoring it or not)* The feature ends up incomplete with the blue large meeple and it is scored at the end of the gameIn the case you keep both figures on the monastery until it is scored, Blue would have the majority and would score the monastery. Red's abbot would score 0 points for the monastery.You can revisit the Order of Play here:* Order of Play: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play* Scoring rules for abbot meeple: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot#3._Scoring_with_the_Abbot* Mini #1 and special monasteries: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries#The_Flying_MachinesInteresting case here would be when Red leaves his abbot there until the round in which Red completes the monastery. The wording in WICA is not completely clear on this special case. The correct interpretation imho would be: Red places his tile in step 1C, then has the option to remove and score his abbot in step 2B-1b. Finally Blue can score his big meeple in Step 3B. If Red decides not to remove his abbot, Blue gets the full points in Step 3B.In the Order of Play is written in Step 1Cb: Note: any tile-based feature that is finished is considered complete at this time.
In the rules of The Abbot is written in footnote 13: Once completed, a monastery or garden with several meeples will be scored taking into account the majority on the feature.So, this might falsely lead to the interpretation that you cannot remove your abbot once the monastery is completed by covering the eight space (C2 wording ) with a tile.
(218.) So, what was answer, did red player points or not?
Quote from: Carcassonne93 on April 26, 2020, 02:38:18 PM[218.] What happens if you remove an red abbot from a monastery occupied by this abbot and a blue big meeple?...In this scenario, you will remove and score the red abbot, and the blue large meeple will stay on the monastery until:* The feature is completed with the blue large meeple and it is scored* The blue large meeple is removed from the monastery as a result of an action associated to an expansions that allows to remove it (scoring it or not)* The feature ends up incomplete with the blue large meeple and it is scored at the end of the game...
[219.] In case, that he remove abbot in phase 2B-1.Can he do this also when he complete monastery with last tile before phase 3?
The answer: yes you can remove the red abbot[/u] in phase 2B-1 and score it normally. This action is not affected by the presence of other meeples on the same monastery: majority does not apply.
Quote(218.) The answer: yes you can remove the red abbot[/u] in phase 2B-1 and score it normally. This action is not affected by the presence of other meeples on the same monastery: majority does not apply.„exactly like how monasteries are scored during the final scoring.” At the final scoring the majority is applied.
(218.) The answer: yes you can remove the red abbot[/u] in phase 2B-1 and score it normally. This action is not affected by the presence of other meeples on the same monastery: majority does not apply.
If you do so, you score as many points as the garden or monastery your abbot occupied is worth at that time, exactly like how monasteries are scored during the final scoring.
Whenever you don't place a Meeple in 2. Placing a meeple, you may take your Abbot from the board back into your supply. You will then immediately receive the points that the monastery or garden is worth at that moment, which corresponds to the value of the feature at the end of the game. At the end of the game the abbot is scored like a normal monk.
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