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Carc Central Community => News and Events => Topic started by: Meepledrone on April 19, 2022, 04:48:06 AM
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Dear all,
Cundco is listing the following expansions:
Carcassonne - Burgen in Deutschland C3 (DE/EN)
https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/281/carcassonne-burgen-in-deutschland-c3-de/en?c=12 (https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/281/carcassonne-burgen-in-deutschland-c3-de/en?c=12)
Carcassonne - Das Fest C3 (DE/EN)
https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/222/carcassonne-das-fest-c3-de/en?c=12 (https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/222/carcassonne-das-fest-c3-de/en?c=12)
These item names have changed in German only but the rest of the item description, pictures and rules are still reflecting the C2 version both in German and English.
I asked Cundco about all this and they confirmed they are now selling the C3 versions although they couldn't update the webshop accordingly due to the Easter break. :o
Let's see if they update everything accordingly in the following days.
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Great news, looking forward to the updated artwork!
Let's hope they changed the 15th anniversary logo to a proper watermark this time, similar to the 20th anniversary mini :)
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I'm crossing my fingers too! ;D
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Wtf
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The C3 crusade and conversion has only begun emoji code1787]
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And so it begins…
I’d like to see some photos when someone gets their hands on these.
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I don't understand. They are selling the new edition of the expansions, but they're using old photos? Isn't that a little bit suspicious?
Slightly off-topic question: will the list of content on the wiki (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page) be updated when C3 content will be available? I guess C3 will be the new "New Edition"?
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Where are the differences (C2 vs C3)?
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Where are the differences (C2 vs C3)?
No idea. From what I understood the only piece of C3 that already exists is the 2022 version of the base game (https://www.amazon.it/Devir-Carcassonne-tavolo-Lingua-spagnola/dp/B00W5LCL8G/), with no differences at all from the second edition apart from the box art.
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You can find here a bit of info about the difference between C2 ad C3 (as in the 20th Anniversary edition and other releases starting from 2020): more detailed graphics, buildings overflowing city edges and rounder corners in some cases.
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Cities_with_clipped_buildings (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Cities_with_clipped_buildings)
Click on the images to see the details.
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You can find here a bit of info about the difference between C2 ad C3 (as in the 20th Anniversary edition and other releases starting from 2020): more detailed graphics, buildings overflowing city edges and rounder corners in some cases.
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Cities_with_clipped_buildings (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Cities_with_clipped_buildings)
Click on the images to see the details.
That's C3?!? I thought it was C2.1.
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Yoy will find some notes on C2.0/C2.1 here (first part of the same page):
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Darker_cities (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Darker_cities)
C2.0 is regular C2 with darker city backgrounds (the original C2 version) and C2.1 is the normal C2 tiles with lighter backgrounds (the more common ones that probably we all got until now).
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Yoy will find some notes on C2.0/C2.1 here (first part of the same page):
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Darker_cities (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Changes_in_the_2nd_Edition#Darker_cities)
C2.0 is regular C2 with darker city backgrounds (the original C2 version) and C2.1 is the normal C2 tiles with lighter backgrounds (the more common ones that probably we all got until now).
Why does a minor change like the lighter backgrounds turn C2 into C2.1 but another minor change like clipped buildings turn C2 into C3? I don't understand. Even the wiki page doesn't use the term "Third Edition", it just says "the new releases of the Second Edition of Carcassonne" (so it's more like C2.2 than C3, is it?)
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The main differences are, as Meepledrone mentioned, more detailed graphics and buildings overflowing city edges.
The rounded corners seem to be a publisher-specific thing.
For example, i've got a 2019 C2.1 ZMG set with rounded corners, and a 2021 C3 Mindok without.
The main reason for calling this C3, is because HiG does. They have released the latest base game and big box as Version 3, and even on Cundco now listed these expansions as C3.
Plus, the graphic design team has changed, with Marcel Grober taking over from Anne Patzke
The change from C2.0 to C2.1 was not really acknowledged by HiG in marketing.
Perhaps WICA could use an update on these as well? For the Collections&Expansions page i have listed the C3 releases as such.
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The main reason for calling this C3, is because HiG does.
I wouldn't have any problem doing so, if only I'd understand what is "this" :)
While it's pretty clear to me how to tell a C1 piece from a C2 piece (because the differences are huge, both on graphics and on rules), it's quite confusing to tell if a recent piece is C2 or C3. The 20th Anniversary edition, for example, for me it's C2 (and the wiki seems to agree since there is no content listed as third edition (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page)) but for many others it's C3.
This is very confusing. An example. From what I understand, the Flying Machine tiles from BB6 and BB7 are perfectly identical. But the first one are C2 and the second ones C3? :o
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Clipped buildings is the easiest way to tell the difference from looking at the tiles.
The wiki needs to be updated, but the following belong to the C3 art style:
- 20th Anniversary Edition
- C3 Base Game
- Peasant Revolts
- The Gifts
- The Signposts
- Fog Over Carcassonne (October 2022)
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We call the new edition C2. C2.0 and C2.1 is just the naming we use for short.
Until HiG started to call the latest edition C3, all these designation were fan-originated.
We haven't started to create the Third Edition sections on WICA, since it wasn't clear until recently this was considered a new edition and not a C2.2 variation. HiG opted for a stealth launch of this new editon so copies of the C3 base game and the C3 Big Box (BB7) started to pop up on online stores before even HiG made any publicity on the new edition...
We will be tackling this task soon. The issue: can we consider that C3 started in 2020? If you check the standalone River I page in German on Cundco, you can see that they describe it as River I from the 2014-2019 edition:
https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/440/carcassonne-der-fluss-aus-der-edition-14/19?c=14 (https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/440/carcassonne-der-fluss-aus-der-edition-14/19?c=14)
Can we assume that anything released on 2020 can be considered C3, even before C3 was shily acknowledged by HiG by the end 2021? This is the first thing we need to confirm in order to split C2 and C3...
Not a word from HiG but you could buy new C3 sets online for retailers... Nice, huh?
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This is very confusing. An example. From what I understand, the Flying Machine tiles from BB6 and BB7 are perfectly identical. But the first one are C2 and the second ones C3? :o
There are some tiny differences between BB6 and BB7:
* The base game changes one small detail: One of the FFRR tiles with a pigsty changes it to a cowshed
* The River I tile distribution differs: the river source adds a road and the river lake adds a monastery
* The Ferries tile distribution changes: one of the FRRR tiles becomes a RRRR.
Some pictures here for the last two cases:
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5663.msg82386#msg82386 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5663.msg82386#msg82386)
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I actually went through and wrote down all the tile configs and pigsty/cowshed/farmhouse combinations in C2, Carc20 and C3.
Pictures can be found here (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/2792633/complete-basegame-version-history) as part of Decar's amazing post.
Funnily enough, Carc20 has the same configuration of sheds as C2; only from what HiG called C3 (new base game and BB7), the pigsty changed into a cowshed ;D
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I always struggle to find Decar's post on BGG, so I just created this sticky topic in the General Board to never miss it again... ;)
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5895.0 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5895.0)
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The real question here is: do we buy those 2 “new or not so new” expansions, having them in C1 & C2, both?
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The real question here is: do we buy those 2 “new or not so new” expansions, having them in C1 & C2, both?
This is a question that each person must answer for themselves, to some extent. For some people, C2 and C3 are similar enough that they won't feel the need to buy reprints. Completionists (like myself) will end up buying them again. I'm personally waiting to see what the new tiles look like to make sure that they actually have been updated.
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My core gaming set is C2 with some bits od C2. It will evolve to C3 plus bits of C2 and C1 as HiG re-releses some of the C2 (and C1?) bits in C3... Who knows?
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We switched from mix of C2 vase game and several large expansion in C1 and C2 to full C2. I will not replace C2 expansions with C3. Only if there will be large changes. But I don't thing there will be.
So MINDOK (publisher for Czechia, Poland and Slovakia) don't promote C3 of something new they said that only box is updated to new look and tiles are same with minor changes.
And rounded corners are not recognizable during play. Its not russian rounding of corners. So don't worry.
And if you want C3 and regular corners buy MINDOK boxbox 2021. This have C1/C2 corners :)
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I dare say that in the new Big Box 2021, the cards do not have rounded edges, as is the case with the Jubilee Edition of 20 years! I already have a big box at home! ;)
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Yes. After my research, all expansions starting Halflings C2 have one or more C3 specific changes.
Finally on cundco.de is selling River C2 as standalone mini expansions with dating 2014-2019. Actually this is not proof, that everything from 2020 is C3, but just mention.
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Finally on cundco.de is selling River C2 as standalone mini expansions with dating 2014-2019. Actually this is not proof, that everything from 2020 is C3, but just mention.
This can be a hint... So far we don't know HiG's position in drawing the line between C2 and C3...
Waiting for a heavenly sign... :o
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Today I received the new v3 expansions "Castles" and "Festival".
I can see a difference in the "Festival" expansion: buildings over the edge, layout of the rules (logo and background).
But the "Castles" are in my opinion the old version. Even the rules have the old logo and are copyrighted 2019, 2015.
I will try to reach CundCo-Service and ask them about the Castles v3.
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Hi @Benny !
Thank you for sharing! The Festival II is actually a C3 version, but the Castles in Germany are the usual C2 version.
Keep us posted, since they confirmed they were already selling the C3 version of both expansions.
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Thanks for sharing Benny. Unfortunate that they did not provide you with the advertised mini for the Castles in Germany. And those hideous 15th anniversary marks... at least I know I should not get my hopes up for a redemption.
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I would buy The Festival again if the expansion finally had a proper watermark, but alas it does not, so I see no reason to own it. After all this time, I still don't understand why The Festival doesn't have a watermark. Expansion elements don't stop other expansion tiles from having them.
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Well, this is grossly dissapointing. I would be quite happy with various C3 variants from, let´say, a version with no number and just vague "celebration features and fireworks" to "The Festival 20" with a matching number and ideally also suitable watermark, and I would probably buy any of such in the end. But I really see no point of a remake of this kind. I will for sure not buy this one, my general dislike of C3 sneaky introduction is even fostered by such lame and unconceptual remake that will please few but dissapoint many.
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Cundco just reverted the German description of Castles in Germany to reflect it is a C2 version. :o
Chaos seems to have taken over... Are Cundco just flushing their remaining stock? Was it just an error? Let's see if they reply to @Benny with an explanation...
The Festival in C3 is confirmed to be on sale even if the pictures are from its C2 counterpart.
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Today I received an answer from CundCo. With his agreement here the infos:
"Yes there is a C3 version of the castles.
Currently I have in the store again the C2 version of the castle for sale until it is sold out. After that (I guess in the next week) I will rebrand the item to C3 and then you will be able to order it normally.
Then you can be sure to get the right item, because there will be no C2 castles anymore. ... "
Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)
But: if no one orders the old version of the expansion it will last a bit longer until the new one will be available. ;)
CundCo told me in a short phone call that the c3 version will be identifiable in the item description and they will change the item image.
At the moment it is not clear if the Carcassonne logo will also be changed in the rules ???. But the copyright date is set to the current year.
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So they knowingly and consciously sold you a C2 expansion that was advertised as C3 on their website. Not the greatest practice
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Hi @Benny !
It's a pity they keep us waiting a bit longer. Will they send you the C3 version or will you have to buy it again?
I was about to submit my order when you posted about this issue... I'll have to sit tight and wait. >:(
Thanks for the update.
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By the way, I got a similar answer from Cundco just now...
We have some last Castles in C2 left in stock, if they are sold out we will start to sell the C3 Castles.
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Cundco finally updated the images for The Festival in C3...
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Cundco finally updated the images for The Festival in C3...
(https://i.postimg.cc/pLkxqbBK/download.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Not anymore... ;D
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Is this a "typo"? it says 15 and not 20!
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Nope. They just kept the 15th Anniversary version... and updated the rest of the graphics... cities included...
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Partially I understand this step. If they will change 15 to 20 then it will be mess between 20th anniversary expansion with this expansion. Maybe sulotoon was to remove year and kept there just fireworks emoji code312]
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Is this a "typo"? it says 15 and not 20!
That's the expansion for the 15th anniversary, it will always say 15 no matter the edition.
20th anniversary got a full edition on its own.
We're almost near the 25th...
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Is this a "typo"? it says 15 and not 20!
That's the expansion for the 15th anniversary, it will always say 15 no matter the edition.
20th anniversary got a full edition on its own.
We're almost near the 25th...
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition))
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https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition)
That's the expansion for the 10th Anniversary. I see them as two different expansions, one for the 10th (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition)) and one for the 15th (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival), that just happen to have the same name. I think it's reasonable what they're doing: they're remaking the 15th anniversary expansion to update the graphics, the 15 remains. If they decided to remake the 10th anniversary expansion, the 10 also would remain.
At least, this is how I understood how things in Carcassonne work :D
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If they decided to remake the 10th anniversary expansion, the 10 also would remain.
At least, this is how I understood how things in Carcassonne work :D
Maybe. By situation in MINDOK (publisher for Czech, Slovak and Polish version of Carcassonne), I think you are right.
In MINDOK they always say, C3 is not new design like new edition (C2) was in 2014. This is just update.
So by this I think there will be brand new expansion in 25th Anniversary. Or they publish 20th anniversary expansion as standalone expansion in C3(4) design.
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https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition)
That's the expansion for the 10th Anniversary. I see them as two different expansions, one for the 10th (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition)) and one for the 15th (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival), that just happen to have the same name. I think it's reasonable what they're doing: they're remaking the 15th anniversary expansion to update the graphics, the 15 remains. If they decided to remake the 10th anniversary expansion, the 10 also would remain.
At least, this is how I understood how things in Carcassonne work :D
As The Festival came in 2 editions that commemorate the 10th and then the 15th anniversary (of whatever, not the game launch, but that is how HiG count, anyway) and differ in art as the first fits into C1 period of Doris Matthäus and the second into C2 period of Anne Pätzke, wouldn´t it be a natural thing to launch now a third edition that would acknowledge the new C3 art and an anniversary that it missed just by few months?
I remember that when the very first glimpses of Carc20 anniversary edition were revealed, many comments were expressing a worry that another mere iteration of The Festival may be a part of it. That was not the case. Now that HiG decided to rework and reedit The Festival, it is still beyong my comprehension why, while altering the design of the tiles anyway (as they sport the C3 art now), they could not update the number at least. It would make the item much more palatable to me. But no.
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it is still beyong my comprehension why, while altering the design of the tiles anyway (as they sport the C3 art now), they could not update the number at least.
Because they didn't release a new anniversary expansion, they just renewed the graphics of the 15th anniversary expansion. Festival I (the 10th anniversary edition) came out in 2011 and of course Festival II (the 15th anniversary edition) came out five years later, in 2016. The 20th Anniversary Edition came out in 2021. I guess in 2026 they will do something for the 25th anniversary (maybe a Festival III with the number 25 on it!) but this year (2022) there is no anniversary to celebrate.
2000/1 - Carcassonne is born
2011 - Festival I (10th anniversary edition)
2016 - Festival II (15th anniversary edition)
2021 - 20th Anniversary Edition
2022 - nothing to celebrate/no number to update
2026 - Festival III (25th anniversary edition) ?
Just my 2 cents, I have no deep knowledge of how things actually work at HiG.
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The 20th Anniversary Expansion was included in the 20th Anniversary Edition... The one with 15 tiles and these symbols:
(https://wikicarpedia.com/images/c/c3/20th_Anniversary_Expansion_C2_Feature_Symbols.png)
Here more info:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/20th_Anniversary_Expansion (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/20th_Anniversary_Expansion)
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The Castles of Germany C3 are online.
https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/281/carcassonne-burgen-in-deutschland-c3-de/en?c=12
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I wrote to Cundco to double check if this is finally for real...
Except the German product tile all the rest is still C2 both in the English and German entries... :(
Let's see what they have to say.
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C3 is only a myth >:D...
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It is going to become an expensive myth if everything starts to be converted to C3...
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The Castles of Germany C3 are online.
https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/281/carcassonne-burgen-in-deutschland-c3-de/en?c=12
Mmh... If I learned anything about the C2/C3 differences, that's still C2...
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The images and the rules are still those of C2.
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Confirmed by Cundco:
Yes Carcassonne 3.0 - Castles in Germany are on sale now.
Finally, the item name and its description reflect that it is C3 in both German and English, although the images and the rules for download are still from C2.
Carcassonne wasn't built in a day, right? ;)
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Well. It's good to add to WiCa and Carcapedia that is replaced these days when old C2 version was sold.
Maybe, when you have contact to cundco, it will be good to ask if C2 versions were reprinted in previous years
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I've added these to my C3 tuckbox collection, as well as a C3 tuckbox for Cathedrals in Germany because I suspect that might be next.
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=650 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=650)
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Nope. Cathedrals redesign was released in 2020. So question is how quickly will be sold. I think it will be not before 2025.
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I'd like to see Castles in Germany C3 soon to check if the graphic style is similar to re-release of Cathedrals in Germany. The latter reminds me of a colored CAD image and in a different style than Castles in Germany in C2.
Any hints anyone?
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I made my order yesterday… I will tell you the details.
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we will wait for news!
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I asked Cundco about the availability of the rules of Castles in Germany C3, and I just got the following reply:
the rules for Castles 3.0 are still the same like in 2.1.
(Are HiG using the same version numbering convention as us: C2.1 for C2 with light cities? :o)
It seems they are not in a rush to update the rules available online... *sigh*
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I just replied I wanted to verify if they had finally added those key clarifications affecting the scoring of roads and monasteries involving German castles...
Any bets? >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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New image is online
https://cundco.de/en/mini-expansions/carcassonne/281/carcassonne-3.0-castles-in-germany-de/en?c=47 (https://cundco.de/en/mini-expansions/carcassonne/281/carcassonne-3.0-castles-in-germany-de/en?c=47)
Rules still the same ("old" version).
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The image looks a bit different to me, not just the "C3" cities, also de Castles. Is it me or are there any differences?
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The image looks a bit different to me, not just the "C3" cities, also de Castles. Is it me or is there any differences?
Yes. More details. C2 was more like a prototype version. C3 is more accurate.
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At the end of the day… we have to buy them all!
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Amen! ;D
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Tiles look detailed, but honestly, I do not get the logic behind this conversion.
HiG has tons of other minis to convert to the capriciously-clipped-cities (C3 for short) edition. That would attract more people to buy their things. For example, if they convert The Plague, even people that do not like the "counterfeit look" of the C3 edition would buy them.
:red-meeple:
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We are waiting for The Besiegers on C3 ;D
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Me too, now that Besiegers C2 seems not possible! :o
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From a previous post...
I just replied I wanted to verify if they had finally added those key clarifications affecting the scoring of roads and monasteries involving German castles...
Any bets? >:D >:D >:D >:D >:D
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Well, I had new exchanges with Cundco about this.... After a few iterations trying to explain to me the German castle 3-point bonus hadn't changed, this was my reply:
The German castle bonus is clear. The direct issues when playing with the base game are the following, related to the tile count used when scoring roads and monasteries. Check these two cases:
* Roads looping back to a German castle: each half of the German castle is counted as a separate tile for a road connecting them. See final clarification here:
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5021.msg75693#msg75693 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5021.msg75693#msg75693)
* A monastery adjacent to a German castle: each half of the German castle is counted as a separate tile when scoring an adjacent monastery (as I mentioned in my previous email, this was also explained in the 20th Anniversary River). See final clarification here:
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5021.msg74231#msg74231 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5021.msg74231#msg74231)
These issues plus all the others found in the same thread on Carcassonne Central were discussed with Johannes Natterer between February and March 2021.
At least, these two clarifications seemed very important as to be included in the updated rules for C3.
As you can see in the thread referenced above, double-sized tiles and triangular tiles pose a lot of questions to players of the game. When combined with watchtowers, for example, there are plenty of open issues not addressed yet.
Cundco's reply:
thanks for explanation, now I understand.
At the moment I can't tell you something about that, but we will talk about that.
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To be continued?
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Does anyone have a hint why the rules of Castles in Germany C3 are in C2 format? They only updated the copyright year (from 2019, 2015 to 2022, 2015) and used a more inclusive language.
No updates at all regarding the clarifications mentioned above... :o
Good job! >:D
You can see here a scan of one of the pages, where you can see it for yourself... Thanks, @DrMeeple !
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Hahahaha maybe because is C23 version :o The Jordan’s version.
You are welcome Meepledrone!! :yellow-meeple: :yellow-meeple: :yellow-meeple:
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The tile images on the "updated" rules sheet are still C2. ;D
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So lazy, right?
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Anyway maybe that image for rules clarification is not so good.
1. Prime directive
2. Same result in when applied C1 and C2 rules
But who knows I'm waiting for results
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The fact that HiG did not replace the C2 tiles with the updated C3 tiles in the rules tells a bit about how lame this whole C2/C3 conversion is so far. I was disappointed some weeks back by the fact that C3 version of the Festival still bears the now long time obsolete number 15 and still has no watermark but I apparently had too high expectations. How much work would it take to put updated tiles on the rule sheet? And yet...
The only thing that I am now curious about is which of earlier miniexpansions will eventually be converted into C3 art, but my bet is that no other than those already existing as C2, any C3 Besiegers or even remakes of some of the earlier Spielbox minis would be a genuine surprise. What is the point of producing almost same editions that only bear few extra houses is to anyone´s guess but I am definitely not in.
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The case of the German castles C3 is rather odd:
* The tiles were actually revamped to C3, featuring more texture to the graphics and clipped city buildings.
* The rules are in C2 format, keeping the original C2 graphics but they updated the copyright date and the wording to make it more inclusive (less noticeable in German than in English). The didn't bother to include any clarifications discussed with them on Discord in february 2021 about scoring monasteries adjacent to a German castle or roads looping back to the castle tile. (No Prime Directive at all but regular basic game stuff).
So you have C3 tiles with C2-ish rules. IMHO, a very lazy move in various ways as you can see.
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Let's review what we got:
- Corner radius design of C3
- New city prints matching the clipped and detailed design of C3
What we did not but definitely should have got:
- Rules in C3 template with updated clarifications
- Although being minor, adjustments to grass colour palette and texture to match the brighter design of C3
In conclusion:
All in all I am happy with the conversion of this mini to C3, because mismatches in city style with my C3 base game really stand out, which rightfully was the primary detail modified in this reprint. However, it is such a pity that HiG did not show the dedication to make it a full C3 reskin. I would have loved it if the tiles featured more C3 characteristics, for instance dirt detail surrounding the castles (similar to the C3 base game for farmhouses and monasteries) or stone wall details along some of the road sections. I expect more 'lazy' reskins will follow in the future, when certain mini's in C2 design run out of stock, but I will not get my hopes up for any modifications beyond new city prints featured on the tiles.
EDIT: Interestingly, for some of the tiles HiG decided the watermark should be relocated. The fact that they seemingly reconsidered and put effort into this detail but totally skipped over the other aspects is very astonishing.
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You know... artists may be capricious ;)
Marcel surely wanted to do more but he was given 15 minutes top for the rework. So just cities and symbols... enough to get crazy hordes submitting orders like there is no tomorrow!!!
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The city walls on the tile at top left of the photo, and the tile to the right of that, have exterior buttresses? I would have thought this would be avoided because the whole point of the towers sticking out from the walls was to allow defenders in the tower to shoot at attackers? The space between buttresses would seem to give cover to the attackers?
I’m in the US, so I have no real first-hand knowledge of city walls, other than occasional trips across the pond. Basically everything I know about fortification came from reading this:
https://acoup.blog/2021/12/10/collections-fortification-part-iii-castling/
Anyway, curious for other thoughts on these external buttresses…
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I think it is rather a stylistic choice in order to enhance the level of detail, which is fine if you ask me. But indeed, having visited the city of Carcassonne myself, I can confirm exterior buttresses are not part of the line of defense.
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If a wall requires external butresses, that means that wall is weak and can collapse by destroying its butresses... Not very good in terms of defending the city. ;)