Dirt Roads Fan Expansion

[mickwood]

The rules state that "The tiles with dirt roads are placed normally. Note that a dirt road cannot be connected to a normal road." In the attached image one section of dirt road is clearly joined to a 'normal' road. The extension doesn't really make sense if the two types of road cannot be joined but I wanted to clarify things.



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[Carcking]

I would agree. The rules are contradictory. My guess would be the author went back and forth with how they wanted it and as a result left their rules ambiguous.

There seems to be more indication that the dirt road can connect to a regular road, than not. There are two statements that indicate that a regular road that includes any segment of a dirt road does not score any points. And as you point out the picture example itself. It seems pretty clear that regular roads and dirt roads may connect.

Good find. I guess you would have to house rule the offending contradiction away.

(By the way, we have an area for "Unofficial Rules" questions. I am going to attempt to move this thread there.)

[mickwood]

Sorry about putting this in the wrong forum (new member syndrome) - thanks for the reply.

[Carcking]

No problem. Welcome to the Carcassonne Central Forum! Glad to have you on!

[ARabidMeerkat]

I do have a possible side rule to suggeat. Since dirt roads aren't technically roads as such, only trails formed by feet and wheels, they could be used to extend a field, so a field would score as if the road was just a grass tile and didn't form a barrier between two farms. Also, it would score for a road since, in another sense, it is a road. What do you think?

[mickwood]

Not sure about making dirt roads part of the fields although the logic makes sense. I guess it needs playtesting.

[ARabidMeerkat]

Any update on the ruling of dirt roads? It's been a while.....

[Bumsakalaka]

I thing I found result for this. In original rules there is nothing about restriction of placement.



you cannot place Highwayman on a dirtroad


if there is a Highwayman on a road and this road changes in dirtroad, you get zero points for the entier road.


So @Wellidesigns rules are simple.


1. Road contains dirtroad segment worth 0 points when finished or on end of game (like incomplete road with inn at final scoring).
2. You cannot place on road which at least one segment is dirtroad.


So, simplification for placement: Dirtroad is just road. No placement restriction.

[Challa007]

Always nice to read that something is fixed after so long time 

[Bumsakalaka]

I don't know if it's fixed. I just made some decision, don't know if correct. Because Novelty last active in 2016 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=71) and wellidesign in 2013 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=profile;u=439)
So we have to make decision about that.

[Bumsakalaka]

Plus found very first post on this expansions which was:
https://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=392.0
I made a little expansion set for my son, who wanted dirtroads, lots of bushes and cows.no additional rules, just use them as ordinary roads
and in expansion list https://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=534.0
description is:
This expansion adds dirt roads which scores no points for the road.

But in other topic, was Dirt roads placed into same list as River and Forest.

So, don't know

[Challa007]

I'll have a look as soon as I have time 

But I think you already gave the answer.

[kettlefish]

I've took some photos how this expansion is to use.

1. This placement of a tile is not allowed:

[kettlefish]

2. Dirt Roads - No placement of a meeple is allowed

[kettlefish]

3. Dirt Roads - tile placement is allowed with a road which is changing during the landscape tile into a dirt road.