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Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« on: December 01, 2022, 03:29:36 PM »
This post was split from the topic dealing with the Advent Quiz MMXXII. The question below spwans from question #1 in the quiz:
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=6182.msg89296#msg89296



A question related to The Bets, but unrelated to the question above [see note above]:


What happens if the last feature onto a betting office tile with betting chips is a one-tile city that in a later turn turns into a castle (from Exp. 8 - Bridges, Castles and Bazaars)? I think that the betting chips are returned to their respective owners with no scoring.


In any case, this should be covered in https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Bets#Other_expansions.


The quiz made me to think at this question.

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=6184.0
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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #1 on: December 02, 2022, 08:08:30 AM »
The betting offices apply to roads and cities only. If a city segment on a betting offile tile is converted into a castle, the city is not completed and scored. It just changes into another type of feature -a castle- still uncompleted. This means that the conversion to a castle would not affect the betting chips on the tile and they will stay put until any of the roads on it is completed and scored.

Is this what you had in mind?
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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #2 on: December 02, 2022, 08:17:00 AM »
any of the roads on it is completed and scored.

What happens if there is no uncomplete road?

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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #3 on: December 02, 2022, 10:47:45 AM »
The betting chips won't stay on the tile once the first road is scored

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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2022, 11:12:13 AM »
I can be wicked, too, Meepledrone, so let's examine the following scenario:  >:D

In the Bets expansion, there are two tiles with only one road which ends on the tile, so theoretically, when you place the tile, the road could be finished and the bet is only for the city.

One of the two tiles is eligible for (small) castles. So in case both cities are transformed into castles, the bet is unfinished.

What happens? I believe in that case the players have to take their bet tokens back....?

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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #5 on: December 02, 2022, 11:17:06 AM »
The betting chips won't stay on the tile once the first road is scored

But those roads were completed before 4. Placing Bets. Challa007 explained better.

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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #6 on: December 03, 2022, 09:55:09 AM »
Ah, ok!

You are referring to this line when placing bets at the end of your turn.

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If all roads and cities are already finished after placing the bookmaker tile, no betting chips are placed.

Yes, I agree. If you placed a bookmaker tile so that the roads are completed and the city is converted into a castle during the same turn, this means there are no eligible uncompleted features for the betting office (the castle just built is not an uncompleted city). This means that no bets may be placed on this tile.

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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2022, 11:41:26 AM »
Ah, ok!

You are referring to this line when placing bets at the end of your turn.

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If all roads and cities are already finished after placing the bookmaker tile, no betting chips are placed.

Yes, I agree. If you placed a bookmaker tile so that the roads are completed and the city is converted into a castle during the same turn, this means there are no eligible uncompleted features for the betting office (the castle just built is not an uncompleted city). This means that no bets may be placed on this tile.

I wanted to say that the city is converted into a castle during another turn.


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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #8 on: December 03, 2022, 04:07:07 PM »
In this case, the tile would have all the roads completed and one uncompleted city that converts into a castle. The latter makes the tile to lose its last valid feature to settle its bets as if it didn't exist in the first place. In this case, the bets should be removed automatically for the sake of consitency with the case where a castle built on the bookmaker tile before the bets where placed.

A house rule could force the players to not be able to remove their bets in this case as an option, but using a castle to achieve this seems a bit exreme to me.

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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #9 on: December 03, 2022, 04:39:41 PM »
In this case, the tile would have all the roads completed and one uncompleted city that converts into a castle. The latter makes the tile to lose its last valid feature to settle its bets as if it didn't exist in the first place. In this case, the bets should be removed automatically for the sake of consitency with the case where a castle built on the bookmaker tile before the bets where placed.

A house rule could force the players to not be able to remove their bets in this case as an option, but using a castle to achieve this seems a bit exreme to me.

This should be covered at https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Bets#Other_expansions.

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Re: Question about bets and Exp. 8 castles
« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2022, 01:21:55 PM »
Based on this, I added some interactions with Exp. 8:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Bets#Other_expansions


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