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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #15 on: April 21, 2022, 08:15:44 AM »
Clipped buildings is the easiest way to tell the difference from looking at the tiles.

The wiki needs to be updated, but the following belong to the C3 art style:
  • 20th Anniversary Edition
  • C3 Base Game
  • Peasant Revolts
  • The Gifts
  • The Signposts
  • Fog Over Carcassonne (October 2022)

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #16 on: April 21, 2022, 08:19:31 AM »
We call the new edition C2. C2.0 and C2.1 is just the naming we use for short.

Until HiG started to call the latest edition C3, all these designation were fan-originated.

We haven't started to create the Third Edition sections on WICA, since it wasn't clear until recently this was considered a new edition and not a C2.2 variation. HiG opted for a stealth launch of this new editon so copies of the C3 base game and the C3 Big Box (BB7) started to pop up on online stores before even HiG made any publicity on the new edition...

We will be tackling this task soon. The issue: can we consider that C3 started in 2020? If you check the standalone River I page  in German on Cundco, you can see that they describe it as River I from the 2014-2019 edition:

https://cundco.de/mini-erweiterungen/carcassonne/440/carcassonne-der-fluss-aus-der-edition-14/19?c=14

Can we assume that anything released on 2020 can be considered C3, even before C3 was shily acknowledged by HiG by the end 2021? This is the first thing we need to confirm in order to split C2 and C3...

Not a word from HiG but you could buy new C3 sets online for retailers... Nice, huh?
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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #17 on: April 21, 2022, 08:36:55 AM »
This is very confusing. An example. From what I understand, the Flying Machine tiles from BB6 and BB7 are perfectly identical. But the first one are C2 and the second ones C3?  :o

There are some tiny differences between BB6 and BB7:
* The base game changes one small detail: One of the FFRR tiles with a pigsty changes it to a cowshed
* The River I tile distribution differs: the river source adds a road and the river lake adds a monastery
* The Ferries tile distribution changes: one of the FRRR tiles becomes a RRRR.

Some pictures here for the last two cases:
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5663.msg82386#msg82386
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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #18 on: April 21, 2022, 08:41:36 AM »
I actually went through and wrote down all the tile configs and pigsty/cowshed/farmhouse combinations in C2, Carc20 and C3.
Pictures can be found here as part of Decar's amazing post.

Funnily enough, Carc20 has the same configuration of sheds as C2; only from what HiG called C3 (new base game and BB7), the pigsty changed into a cowshed  ;D
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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #19 on: April 21, 2022, 09:11:16 AM »
I always struggle to find Decar's post on BGG, so I just created this sticky topic in the General Board to never miss it again... ;)

https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5895.0

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #20 on: April 21, 2022, 10:12:08 AM »
The real question here is: do we buy those 2 “new or not so new” expansions, having them in C1 & C2, both?

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2022, 10:27:14 AM »
The real question here is: do we buy those 2 “new or not so new” expansions, having them in C1 & C2, both?

This is a question that each person must answer for themselves, to some extent. For some people, C2 and C3 are similar enough that they won't feel the need to buy reprints. Completionists (like myself) will end up buying them again. I'm personally waiting to see what the new tiles look like to make sure that they actually have been updated.

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #22 on: April 21, 2022, 11:51:53 AM »
My core gaming set is C2 with some bits od C2. It will evolve to C3 plus bits of C2 and C1 as HiG re-releses some of the C2 (and C1?) bits in C3... Who knows?

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #23 on: April 21, 2022, 12:08:03 PM »
We switched from mix of C2 vase game and several large expansion in C1 and C2 to full C2. I will not replace C2 expansions with C3. Only if there will be large changes. But I don't thing there will be.
So MINDOK (publisher for Czechia, Poland and Slovakia) don't promote C3 of something new they said that only box is updated to new look and tiles are same with minor changes.
And rounded corners are not recognizable during play. Its not russian rounding of corners. So don't worry.
And if you want C3 and regular corners buy MINDOK boxbox 2021. This have C1/C2 corners :)

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #24 on: April 23, 2022, 10:55:20 AM »
I dare say that in the new Big Box 2021, the cards do not have rounded edges, as is the case with the Jubilee Edition of 20 years! I already have a big box at home! ;)

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2022, 11:12:49 AM »
Yes. After my research, all expansions starting Halflings C2 have one or more C3 specific changes.
Finally on cundco.de is selling River C2 as standalone mini expansions with dating 2014-2019. Actually this is not proof, that everything from 2020 is C3, but just mention.


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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2022, 03:37:41 PM »
Finally on cundco.de is selling River C2 as standalone mini expansions with dating 2014-2019. Actually this is not proof, that everything from 2020 is C3, but just mention.

This can be a hint... So far we don't know HiG's position in drawing the line between C2 and C3...

Waiting for a heavenly sign... :o

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2022, 01:19:36 AM »
Today I received the new v3 expansions "Castles" and "Festival".
I can see a difference in the "Festival" expansion: buildings over the edge, layout of the rules (logo and background).
But the "Castles" are in my opinion the old version. Even the rules have the old logo and are copyrighted 2019, 2015.
I will try to reach CundCo-Service and ask them about the Castles v3.

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2022, 01:52:56 AM »
Hi @Benny !

Thank you for sharing! The Festival II is actually a C3 version, but the Castles in Germany are the usual C2 version.

Keep us posted, since they confirmed they were already selling the C3 version of both expansions.

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Re: Castles in Germany and The Festival in C3
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2022, 07:12:04 AM »
Thanks for sharing Benny. Unfortunate that they did not provide you with the advertised mini for the Castles in Germany. And those hideous 15th anniversary marks... at least I know I should not get my hopes up for a redemption.


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