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The Catapult
« on: April 09, 2013, 12:13:09 AM »
Are there any specific rules about where the catapult is launched from? After reading through the excellent CAR (the detail you have placed in that document is amazing...) I couldn't find an answer.

Is the catapult permitted on the tiles or must it be launched from beside the tiles or from each player's supply?

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=230.0

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Re: The Catapult
« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 03:01:37 AM »
We have an officially answer from the publisher HiG at the HiG-Chat from 31.10.2008.

question:
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And where exactly has to be the Catapult?
answer from HiG:
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I cannot give a precise location for the Catapult, since I don't know your table.


The HiG-Chat is the comments function for Carcassonne at the homepage from Hans-im-Glück-Verlag
HiG-Chat

« Last Edit: April 09, 2013, 09:30:11 AM by kettlefish »

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Re: The Catapult
« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 07:05:34 AM »
answer from HiG:
I cannot give a precise location for the Catapult, since I don't know your table.


Sounds like there is no specific limitation then. Likely, there is no consideration by HiG for ternament play so I guess it would be up to house rules.
« Last Edit: April 09, 2013, 09:40:52 AM by Carcking »
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Re: The Catapult
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2013, 04:01:33 PM »
Thanks!

House rules it is then.

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Re: The Catapult
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2013, 10:35:07 AM »
With the catapult is one rule:
Please don't hit the meeples from the scoring board.

S-CAR6.2 page 85 - footnote 286

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Re: The Catapult
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2022, 11:10:11 AM »
Using this topic since already exists instead of starting a new one. I have of course some questions about the Catapult rules.

1. What happens if during a Knock out round, a tower get knocked down? I understand this is how it works: is it correct?
  • if the tower was empty, it just gets rebuilt as it was before the attack
  • if there was a meeple on it, but the token doesn't touch it and the meeple itself does not touch any other meeple while falling, everything must be reverted as it was before the attack
  • if there was a meeple on it, and the token touches it and/or the meeple itself touches other meeples while falling, those meeple(s) get(s) removed

2. Question: "Can the wagon “drive by” a fair, or rather does a fair split a road at all?" Answer: "The fair is a “feature,” so the wagon cannot pass through it." I don't understand what this means, can someone explain to me? Thanks and sorry

3. Just out of curiosity, how many of you exclude the Catch token while playing this expansion?  ;D

4. Was Klaus-Jürgen Wrede drunk while developing this extension?

5. Catch round: can the catcher use two hands or do they have to use only one? I think they should use only one.
« Last Edit: September 15, 2022, 01:32:10 PM by Sir Lose-a-Farm »
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Re: The Catapult
« Reply #6 on: September 18, 2022, 04:19:31 PM »
Using this topic since already exists instead of starting a new one. I have of course some questions about the Catapult rules.

1. What happens if during a Knock out round, a tower get knocked down? I understand this is how it works: is it correct?
  • if the tower was empty, it just gets rebuilt as it was before the attack
  • if there was a meeple on it, but the token doesn't touch it and the meeple itself does not touch any other meeple while falling, everything must be reverted as it was before the attack
  • if there was a meeple on it, and the token touches it and/or the meeple itself touches other meeples while falling, those meeple(s) get(s) removed

It seems reasonable. It would be a conclusion of the following clarifications:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Catapult_(1st_edition)#cite_note-4

Note it says that "the special figures and neutral figures on those tiles will remain undisturbed." That mean that the tower floors should not be affected by the catapult and remain as is (even if knocked out). The same would happen to the builder, the pig and other special figures or any other neutral pieces or figures, for example a bridge or th fairy.

2. Question: "Can the wagon “drive by” a fair, or rather does a fair split a road at all?" Answer: "The fair is a “feature,” so the wagon cannot pass through it." I don't understand what this means, can someone explain to me? Thanks and sorry

In C1, the wagon can only move from a road to another one, if they both enad up at a junction. If instead of a junction there is a feature, claimable ot not claimable but triggering or associated to any mechanic, the wagon will not be able to move between those roads: a fair, a bazaar, a crop circle, an acrobat space, a circus space, a tower foundation. This growing number of limitations may have lead to the change in the wagon rules. This footnote on WICA provides a check list of dos and don'ts:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor#cite_note-19

Besides, this page provides some expamples of the differences in the wagon rules between C1 and C2:

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Wagon_Movement_Rules_Changes

3. Just out of curiosity, how many of you exclude the Catch token while playing this expansion?  ;D

Not in my case. But if you want to get rid of it, maybe you may think of a repacement. Here is an "Invasion Token":
https://carcassonnecentral.com/forum/index.php?topic=1398.0

As you can see in this thread, the "Catch" token is not very appreciated by other players.

4. Was Klaus-Jürgen Wrede drunk while developing this extension?

Being drunk for several months must pay a serious toll. Playtesting this expansions while dunk may lead to long afternoons looking for stranded tokens. :o

5. Catch round: can the catcher use two hands or do they have to use only one? I think they should use only one.

The illustrations show only one hand maybe for the sake of simplicity, but the token shows two hands. The rules do not include any contraints in this regards, so one or two hands should be okay.
Questions about rules? Check WICA: wikicarpedia.com

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Re: The Catapult
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2022, 03:12:54 PM »
Love it, thanks! We particularly loved the Invasion action, that's now our standard action for the launch token  :gray-meeple:


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