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Official Rules / Re: Questions

« on: April 21, 2020, 12:36:23 PM »

[204.] We are still playing Mega Carcassonne with a lot of expansions so it made some questions:
1. When you score Acrobats and active player have in pyramide Phantom, is allowed play with Phantom Step2B-2?
2. Dragon is eating all meeples on tile? So if there is for example Big Meeple on Field, Meeple on Road and Phantom on City?
3. When player play Tower, how many meeples can catch, one and decide which one, on all of them on Tile?
4. In Watchtowers is written, when you have Meeple on Watchtower, it means, if it's in City or Road on a tile connected to Watchtower. When I have it on City and city is finished
a) got player with meeple on watchtower extra points by watchtower symbon evan if player have no majority?
b) when city is finished, and all meeples from city is given to their players, player lost watchtower - just confirm
c) is it possible to go to watchtower by magic portal if City or road is not finished and it's not accupied by other meeples?
5. Can eat Dragon meeples in Bathhouse (Barber-Surgeons)

My answers with pure knowledge of rules was during game
1. Yes
2. Everyone with are not on diet
3. Here I'm not sure
4a) yes
4b) yes
4c) yes
5. Yes even if not only one meeple on tile (look at question 2)

Thanks

1. Yes, you can place your phantom again right after the acrobat pyramid is scored since this evaluation takes place in Step 2B-1 (step for first figure (or token ) placement). The meeples in the pyramid are returned to their owners in this step, so that active player could retrieve their phantom and place it again in Step 2B-2.

You can check the order of play here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play


2. Yes, the dragon will eat any meeple on a tile, no matter its location or type. If a meeple is located on a castle overlapping the tile, the meeple will be safe as the castle is not placed in a particular tile.

You can see the dragon's menu and diet plan and the features providing protection in full detail here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon#2b._The_dragon.27s_menu_.28what_the_dragon_eats.29


3. You can capture one meeple per tower piece placed. You can choose any meeple in range. So, if you add a third tower piece to a tower, you may capture one meeple on any tile with distance 0 (the tower tile), 1, 2 or 3 horizontally or vertically from the tower.

You can review the rules and examples here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower#2._Placing_a_meeple_or_a_tower_floor


4.a) Yes, the player on the watchtower tile in the city scores the bonus, no matter if the player has the majority or not.

You can review the watchtower scoring rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers#Scoring_a_feature


4.b) Yes, you may not score the watchtower again for that particular city.

However, there are tiles with multiple feature segments sharing the same watchtower. This is one example with two city segments and one road segment: 

With the right expansions, you could place multiple meeples on those tiles and therefore score the same watchtower multiple times:
* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon: you may use a magic portal to place a meeple on a city or road segment with a watchtower on an unoccupied city.
* Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying machines): you may place multiple meeples on the same tile and even on the same feature segment, allowing you to score the same watchtower from the same feature. Each meeple would score the same watchtower once even on the same feature segment. This is not in the rules (remember the disclaimer: at your own risk  ), but watchtowers are scored by figures on the watchtower tile. It the meeples share the same feature segment, each meeple should be scored individually, the same as they would be placed on separate features.
* Mini #7 - The Crop Circles: you may place an additional meeple next to a another meeple located on a watchtower tile. So each meeple (even on the same feature) would score individually (see previous bullet about Mini #1)
* The Phantom: You may place a second meeple on the same watchtower tile, allowing you to score the same watchtower multiple times.

You can review the watchtower scoring rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers#Scoring_a_feature


4.c) Yes, you can deploy meeples with different methods to a watchtower tile, for example a magic portal, a flying machine or a crop circle. Please check my comments in the previous response.


5) Yes, the dragon will eat any meeples on a tile it is placed, no matter what feature they are on. Just as a reminder, there are some features that will protect meeples because they are not assigned to a particular tile: castles, the school, the City of Carcassonne, the City of Leipzig and the Wheel of Fortune.

You can check what's on the dragon's menu and what's not here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon#2b._The_dragon.27s_menu_.28what_the_dragon_eats.29

3947

Official Rules / Re: Questions

« on: April 21, 2020, 11:24:01 AM »

[203.] Lastly, I do want to clarify what happens in a certain situation:
There are 2 meeples already on an Acrobat tile and I place a tile adjacent to that Acrobat tile. This new tile fills in the last empty space surrounding the Acrobat tile. I choose not to finish the pyramid. Are the meeples on the Acrobat tile now stuck there until the end of the game?

In short, can I trap an opponent's meeples on the Acrobat tile?

Yes, you can trap meeples in an incomplete pyramid if no tiles can be placed adjacent to the acrobat tile. This would mean those acrobats would stay in the pyramid until the end of the game...

...unless you play with any of the following expansion that would allow you to:
* Add a new meeple to a pyramid by other placement methods:
   - Magic portals (C1/C2 Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon)
   - Flying machines (C1/C2 Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying Machines)
* Remove a meeple from the pyramid without scoring it:
   - Use the dragon (C1/C2 Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon) - all meeples in the tile removed
   - Capture an acrobat (C1/C2 Exp. 4 - The Tower)
   - Use a festival (C1/C2 The Festival)
   - Use the plague (C1 The Plague)
   - Use the Pest sector in the Wheel of Fortune (C1 The Wheel of Fortune)
   - Use a Knock out token (C1 The Catapult)
   - Use the Vodyanoy tile (C1 Russian Promos) - all meeples in the tile trapped by can be retrieved one at a time
* Exchange a meeple in a pyramid for another meeple:
   - Use a Seduction token (C1 The Catapult)
   - Swap followers with La Porxada (C1 La Porxada)
* Score and remove a meeple from the pyramid
   - Receive Message 8 (Mini #2 - The Messages (C1/C2 Dispatches)

After all, it seems you have some options to recover your meeples trapped in a pyramid with the right expansions.

You can revisit the acrobat placement rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top#2._Placing_a_meeple_2

[There are 2 meeples already on an Acrobat tile and I place a tile adjacent to that Acrobat tile. This new tile fills in the last empty space surrounding the Acrobat tile. I choose not to finish the pyramid. Are the meeples on the Acrobat tile now stuck there until the end of the game?

In short, can I trap an opponent's meeples on the Acrobat tile?

Oh yes!

(I'm sure there'll be an exception if you're using The Druid expansion and place a Phoenix Egg or whatever, but I'll let MeepleDrone cover those edge cases.)

I think we all agree here! 

3948

Official Rules / Re: Questions

« on: April 21, 2020, 10:22:51 AM »

[202.] I recently picked up Expansion 10 - Under the Big Top.

When you place a tile adjacent to an Acrobat tile does this allow you to place a meeple on ANY Acrobat tile?

Hi Babycathannahthomas!

Congrats for your first post. Hope you enjoy the forum and all its contents about official rules, fan expansions, playing online... You name it.

Back to your question...

No, when you place a tile adjacent to one one more Acrobat tiles, you may only place a meeple on those adjacent acrobat tiles.

You can revisit the rules here - please check the sentence before Example 2):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top#2._Placing_a_meeple_2

Cheers!

PS: Whaaat?? This is my 1500th post. Can't believe it. 

First off, thank you for for responding. Also, congrats on achieving your 1500th post.

Second, I love Wikicarpedia.com. I have been using since I first picked up the base game. It has helped so much. So a BIG thank you to everyone who has worked on it, contributed to it, and maintains it.

Hi Babycathannahthopmas!

Thank you for your kind words on behalf of the whole team. Much obliged!

We are always looking for feedback to improve its contents.

As you may have seen, this topic has become great source to validate an interesting number of interactions lately... 

Thanks for participating.

Cheers!

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Official Rules / Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here

« on: April 21, 2020, 09:24:56 AM »

Yeah, we still not finish it, because we play all expansions ;-)

With Halflings (this really slow down game, because before them every player have tile in hand from deck to prepare to his turn).

As a house rule, you could let players still have a tile in hand and place any of them (a halfling or a tile just drawn). If you place a halfling, then you don't draw a tile next turn. This way you are providing more options to the players. You could do the same for abbeys and German castles.

And of course we forgot to play fairy ;-) Dragon ate most of all meeple and than somebody tell, oh we have fairy on table not in game ;-)

We sometimes forget to score the 1-point turn start bonus. 

I have suggestion on new Scoring is not described when is Dispatch of Message, that it's scoring description page, maybe it will be good to write it with description of page, when you dispatch message.

The moments when you receive dispatch are detailed as last the action of their corresponding round of scoring (marked with the back of a message tile). The details of the scoring are only described once at the top. Do you mean to replicate the Dispatch scoring info at the end of the 6 rounds of scoring?

3950

The Marketplace / Re: What on earth ?!...

« on: April 21, 2020, 07:09:31 AM »

Last time I checked there was one copy for €99. I think this is just an "unforgivable" typo.

3951

The Marketplace / Re: What on earth ?!...

« on: April 21, 2020, 04:45:52 AM »

I was thinking about Dan selling your house a few months back...

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Quizzes, Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Easter Mini Quiz 2020

« on: April 21, 2020, 04:44:54 AM »

You should send Georg Wild some flowers for those clarifications...

Why would HiG stick to the original rules plus some updates?... I wonder...  

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News and Events / Re: HiG release official singe player rules

« on: April 21, 2020, 04:41:19 AM »

Well, we could keep track of all these corrections to make the reader's brains go numb! 

A city is a city is a road is a city is a German cathedral on a halfling is a monastery is an inn.

3954

News and Events / Re: HiG release official singe player rules

« on: April 21, 2020, 04:12:47 AM »

HiG removed and updated the English file to correct the errors mentioned by jungleboy. Although the file name in the same, the URL has changed.

The German file didn't change:
* English rules (updated):
https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/a4dc937a132c8cb6f46e5102b92592307f5dda23/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_ENG_Web.pdf
* German rules (same):
https://www.hans-im-glueck.de/_Resources/Persistent/9a093f4d9482708af85960ccfb3bef088e836067/CarcBasis_SoloRegel_DE_Web.pdf

I'm feeling lucky today! 

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Reviews & Session Reports / Re: Unusual game

« on: April 21, 2020, 03:46:28 AM »

Ha ha ha!

Dan, this DOES deserve a chapter in the strategy guide!!!

How to make your opponent beg for mercy! Target 0 points or how to lose a friend.

When is it available?

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The Marketplace / Re: What on earth ?!...

« on: April 21, 2020, 03:37:42 AM »

In a few years, you may trade some tiles for a house... 

3957

Official Rules / Re: Questions

« on: April 19, 2020, 03:58:20 PM »

[202.] I recently picked up Expansion 10 - Under the Big Top.

When you place a tile adjacent to an Acrobat tile does this allow you to place a meeple on ANY Acrobat tile?

Hi Babycathannahthomas!

Congrats for your first post. Hope you enjoy the forum and all its contents about official rules, fan expansions, playing online... You name it.

Back to your question...

No, when you place a tile adjacent to one one more Acrobat tiles, you may only place a meeple on those adjacent acrobat tiles.

You can revisit the rules here - please check the sentence before Example 2):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top#2._Placing_a_meeple_2

Cheers!

PS: Whaaat?? This is my 1500th post. Can't believe it. 

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Official Rules / Re: Questions

« on: April 19, 2020, 03:40:35 PM »

[201.] What happens if you fly, place a meeple with the portal or place the wagon adjacent to a fruit-bearing tree?

The rules specify that you have to place a tile (the fruit-bearing tree tile or one adjacent to it) and place a meeple on such tile in the same turn in order to trigger a fruit action. Thus the meeple placement would followed by the fruit action triggered in phase 2. Placing a meeple.

This would discard the three actions you mention:
* The flier and the magic portal: they allow you to place a meeple on a different tile from the one you just placed, so these placement options would not allow players to trigger a fruit action. Therefore, the sequence or actions is correct for this deployment methods but the target tile for the meeple would not match the requirements in the rules.
* The wagon movement happens in phase 3. Scoring a feature, one phase later than phase 2. Placing a meeple, when the fruit actions occurs. So probably you may have placed a new tile (a fruit-bearing tree tile or one adjacent to it) and move the wagon to it, but the sequence of actions is not the right one to trigger the fruit action: you would place the wagon on the tile after the fruit action could be triggered.

You can review the rules and also footnote #1 here:
* Fruit action triggering: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fruit-Bearing_Trees#Carrying_out_a_.22fruit_action.22
* Footnote #1http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fruit-Bearing_Trees#cite_note-1

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Official Rules / Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here

« on: April 19, 2020, 03:11:56 PM »

Did you enjoy your game?

I think this new format is very detailed and more verbose that the previous one.

I'm thinking about additional options:
* Hidding phases with no relevant scoring events  in order to avoid the overwhelming info a beginner may not require. 
* Possibly adding some actions connected to scoring, such as:
   - Adding notes about scoring evaluation order:
       - For multiple features involving one or multiple players
       - For bonus points (pre/post)
   - Adding notes about the selection of features when:
       - Scoring one or multiple castles
       - Scoring the teacher bonus
   - Sending a meeple to a bathhouse (connected to feature scoring)
   - Deploying meeples to Carcassonne and back (connected to feature scoring)
   - Distributing goods tokens or gold ingots (connected to the scoring after the game)
   - Giving King and Robber Baron tiles to players (connected to the scoring after the game)

When all this is decided, I will make an attempt at a similar page about Scoring After the Game. 

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Quizzes, Puzzles and Challenges / Re: Easter Mini Quiz 2020

« on: April 19, 2020, 12:50:06 PM »

Hi all,

I hope you all enjoyed Easter.

Thank you all for participating in this tiny quiz. I will proceed with the solution below.

Best wishes and stay in good health!

NOTE: This answer is now outdated. Please check this post below for the most latest information.
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4590.msg80349#msg80349

Please help the Easter Bunny to score this turn so they all can go hunting for some Easter eggs together. The situation is this:
* The Blue Abbot is on a monastery and the fairy is assigned to it.
* The Blue player player places a new Halfling and completes a city
* Later the Blue Abbot is removed and scored and the Blue Phantom is placed on the Halfling just placed.

The Easter Bunny would like to apply the new rules for C2 Halfling just published by HiG. Can you tell how many points does the Blue player score in each round of scoring this turn?

Please post you answers here!

Note: I'm using my C1 Halflings just waiting for my brand new C2 Halflings to arrive... 

The following table summarizes the result for the 3 scoring rulesets for scoring Halflings.
* Rules from 2014 (possibly misinterpreted due to the lack of details in the rules):
   - Monasteries: 1 or 2 triangles in a square space score as 1 tile for monasteries
   - Roads and cities: no details provided so the the rules for monasteries were considered for these features too (possibly misinterpretation).
* Rules based on clarifications from 10/2015:
   - Roads, cities and monasteries: triangular tiles are considered individually for the scoring of these features, no matter they may share the same square space.
* Rules from 2020 (revisiting the rules from 2014, with some more details in some areas)
   - Monasteries: 1 or 2 triangles in a square space score as 1 tile for monasteries, so they consider occupied spaces.
   - Roads and cities: are scored as per the normal rules. If so, triangular tiles are considered individually for the scoring of these features.

The table details the rounds and steps involved in the scoring but as you can see there is a mismatch with vineyards and the fairy as they are bonus points that would be misplaced if applied to the Abbot. The quiz was testing several aspects:
* How to score features: Results vary in this case depending on the rules for Halflings being applied.
* When happens the scoring: This is important to decide what bonus points are applicable.

Nasty, huh?

Round / Step		Element		C1 Rules 2014 (misinterpreted?)		C1 Clarifications from 10/2015		C2 Rules 2020 (rules from 2014 revisited)		Comments
Round #1A
Step 1A		Fairy assigned to abbot		1 point		1 point		1 point		[1]
Round #2
Step 2B-1		Abbot removed		8 points (1 point per space with 1 or 2 tiles (or half) in the vicinity, including the monastery)		10 points (1 point per tile)		8 points (1 point per occupied square space in the vicinity including the monastery)		[2]
Step 3B		Vineyard adjacent to monastery		N/A		N/A		N/A		[3]
Step 3B		Fairy assigned to abbot		N/A		N/A		N/A		[4]
Round #3
Step 3B		City scored by phantom		4 points (2 tiles, one with 2 triangles)		6 points (3 tiles)		6 points (3 tiles)		[5]
		Total		13 points		17 points		15 points

Some comments to each row here:

[1] The standard 1-point fairy bonus is applied at the beginning of Blue's turn. The fairy was assigned to the abbot in a previous turn.

[2] Blue's abbot is placed on an incomplete monastery (on 1 square tile) surrounded by 9 additional tiles occupying 7 square spaces:
   - 2 square tiles
   - 6 triangular tiles in 3 square spaces
   - 1 double-sized tile occupying 2 adjacent square spaces to the monastery
Just remember we are removing and scoring the abbot. This means we are scoring a figure, not the feature. This action takes place in phase 2. Placing a meeple. And regular feature scoring is performed later in phase 3. Scoring a feature.

[3] The vineyard bonus is applied to monasteries when completed and scored in phase 3. Scoring a feature. As mentioned in note [2], this is not the case, since we are scoring a figure earlier, not a feature. Therefore, the vineyard bonus cannot be applied to the scoring of Blue's abbot.

[4] The fairy 3-point bonus is applied to assigned meeples on features scored in phase 3. Scoring a feature. As mentioned in note [2], this is not the case, since we are scoring a figure earlier, not a feature. Therefore, the fairy scoring bonus cannot be applied to the scoring of Blue's abbot.

[5] The completed city scored by Blue's phantom has 3 tiles:
   - 1 square tile
   - 2 triangular tiles sharing the same square space
Depending on the rules applied for Halflings, the scoring will differ.

What do you think of all the tricky details hidden in these few tiles?