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Title: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 24, 2022, 10:18:46 AM
I am interested to know which tile (or tiles) in the long history of Carcassonne is your least favorite by far. I am not talking about expansions in general, but about individual tiles. The reasons behind the dislike can be anything from the tile configuration, usefulness, to artwork or even a compatibility with the rules. Express yourself! And maybe others will make you see your hated tiles in a new better light ^-^
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: corinthiens13 on September 24, 2022, 11:32:06 AM
La Porxada, because it is not a real tile (I mean a real printed tile), and I don't like the rules that goes with it... And my favorites are the Russian promos for they are beautiful and full of history  :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: carca82 on September 24, 2022, 12:08:46 PM
La Porxada
Isn't this just some fan made content?
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 24, 2022, 12:30:49 PM
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La Porxada, because it is not a real tile (I mean a real printed tile), and I don't like the rules that goes with it...
Fair enough. Does that mean that you also dislike CutCassonne because they're also not real tiles?

I do like La Porxada but dislike CutCassonne.

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Isn't this just some fan made content?
Nope, but it is unofficial.

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And my favorites are the Russian promos for they are beautiful and full of history
Same here.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: corinthiens13 on September 24, 2022, 12:31:55 PM
According to WICA:
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La Porxada is a self-proclaimed mini-mini-expansion, containing only a single tile. Its place in the Carcassonne universe is debated and disputed – some consider this a completely unofficial expansion, as it was never sanctioned by Hans im Glück. Those who argue this side note that the tiles were simply stickers placed on other tiles. However, the expansion was sanctioned by Klaus-Jürgen Wrede himself (there is even an image of a signed tile on BoardGameGeek.com), so this is more than just a fan expansion. Ultimately, La Porxada exists in semi-official limbo, and individual players must use their own judgement as to the nature of the expansion.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: corinthiens13 on September 24, 2022, 12:34:54 PM
Does that mean that you also dislike CutCassonne because they're also not real tiles?

They're not real tiles, but it was possible to get original ones, so thats ok for me. Anyway I placed them on blank tiles inside a protective sleeve so they look like real tiles  :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: carca82 on September 24, 2022, 01:37:48 PM
According to WICA:
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However, the expansion was sanctioned by Klaus-Jürgen Wrede himself (there is even an image of a signed tile on BoardGameGeek.com
So, if I get K-JW to sign my belly, would that mean that *I* am part of the game now?  ???  ;D
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: kothmann on September 24, 2022, 01:49:55 PM
I dislike the tiles that totally abandon realism in order to get a desired topology.  There are three of these in Abbey & Mayor:

CRCR, where the road goes straight through a wall and then into a tunnel to emerge from the other side.
CCCC & CCCF, both of which have ridiculous bridges over a city.

I don’t dislike novel topology, just unrealistic engineering.  For contrast, I like the CCRR tile in Abbey and Mayor with 2 road segments and 2 city segments, which I think is the only tile of this edge combination that separates the cities.  I would probably like it better if the roads joined in a circle at the center of the tile, because it is difficult to imagine that the road would not have been constructed that way.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 25, 2022, 12:26:41 AM
For me it would have to be the crcr tile with tunnel from Exp. 3. The fact that the the roads are connected is logical, the fact that the fields on either side are continuous because the road does not touch the city is visually indicated. But the fact that the fields are connected even across the tunnel is absolutely ridiculous!
It is a forcefull rule that goes against the visual representation of the tile.

I also don't like the cloiter in city tile from Exp. 8, because unlike the one from Exp. 3, this one does not have the patch of green around the cloitser ilustration makking it really dificult to make out.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: Willem on September 25, 2022, 01:57:28 AM
Wait, the fields on that tile are 2 separate fields right? 1 above the city, and 1 underneath. They're not connected through the tunnel as 1 field are they?
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 25, 2022, 02:15:39 AM
They are 1 field - see how dumb it is?  ::)

EDIT:  looked at C2 rules and it seems the fields should be separate by the ZMG rules. That makes me dislike this tile even more because for years the wording was extremely misleading and it took a publisher specific C2 upgrade of the rules to clear it up!  >:(
I don't like being misled by badly written official rules, especially when the tile itself is clear enough already via its artwork. This tile-rule disconnect is now the reason I don't like the tile...
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: Willem on September 25, 2022, 02:40:54 AM
Hahaha!

I like to say that Carcassonne is a visual game.
When in doubt if something connects or is finished, just look at the board.
So for that reason, my least favourite tile is the 3 FRRR tile from CC1. The tile shows 1 road with 3 different branches, but the clarifications told us that they are 3 separated branches. I don't like that, and therefore I don't like this tile
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: wolnic on September 25, 2022, 03:03:20 AM
I dislike the tiles that totally abandon realism in order to get a desired topology.  There are three of these in Abbey & Mayor:

CRCR, where the road goes straight through a wall and then into a tunnel to emerge from the other side.
CCCC & CCCF, both of which have ridiculous bridges over a city.

I'm with Kothmann on these "bridge over city" tiles, and there are a few fan expansion "city" tiles I'm not so keen on either - visually, they "jar" for some reason. I'll see if I can dig any of them out - I've attached one from "All The Rest Of The Tiles". There are also some CCCC tiles with internal city walls that divide the city into multiple segments. Nothing against the design concept, or the reality aspect, but easy to overlook when playing.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: wolnic on September 25, 2022, 03:18:13 AM
For contrast, I like the CCRR tile in Abbey and Mayor with 2 road segments and 2 city segments, which I think is the only tile of this edge combination that separates the cities.  I would probably like it better if the roads joined in a circle at the center of the tile, because it is difficult to imagine that the road would not have been constructed that way.

I made up the following for personal use ... is this the sort of thing you were thinking of?
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 25, 2022, 03:35:22 AM
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Hahaha!

I like to say that Carcassonne is a visual game.
When in doubt if something connects or is finished, just look at the board.
So for that reason, my least favourite tile is the 3 FRRR tile from CC1. The tile shows 1 road with 3 different branches, but the clarifications told us that they are 3 separated branches. I don't like that, and therefore I don't like this tile

Well that's the thing! It is a visual game and the visuals were very clear to the point that I would not even need the rules to understand the connectivity on that tile. But it is the dubiou wording of the supporting rules, which introduces the silliness!

Also, whenever I hear the words "Carcassonne is a viual game", all I can think of is...

Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 25, 2022, 03:38:35 AM
...but I always imagine an invisible UFO parked at the crossroads blocking the way  ;D
It helps me sleep soundly at night.

The tile that wolnic posted (the first one) is actually quite nice! I like the yin-yang visual.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: kothmann on September 25, 2022, 02:04:01 PM
I made up the following for personal use ... is this the sort of thing you were thinking of?
Great tile!  Like an updated version of the original Inns & Cathedrals CRCR tile (https://boardgamegeek.com/image/6624729/decar), which we always play as a single road.

But what I was actually thinking of would be a bit different, because I want the farm between the two separate cities on the CCRR tile to be isolated from the corner between the two roads.  So you could put a farmer on the tiny patch of grass with a maximum possible score of 6.  It wouldn't make sense to have a tiny farm where you have a well on the CRCR tile, because then the roads would enter each city twice.

my least favourite tile is the 3 FRRR tile from CC1. The tile shows 1 road with 3 different branches, but the clarifications told us that they are 3 separated branches. I don't like that, and therefore I don't like this tile
Right.  Like the original CRCR tile in I&C.  Agree this is awful.  I don't have CC1 but would definitely play that as a single road.

I agree with the "visual game" rule, but also want some (not too many) realism constraints.

Also, as I was thinking about this today, I wondered whether there are any tiles with a single road segment, so you could place and score a farmer for 1 point in a turn?  I think a CCFF tile with separate city segments and a single short road connecting them would be cool.  Could place a farmer (between road and cities for max score 6, or outside the road for a potentially bigger farm) or a thief for an immediate score of 1!

Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: carlium on September 25, 2022, 09:45:56 PM
The ugliness!  :o
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: Bumsakalaka on September 25, 2022, 09:58:42 PM
The ugliness!  :o
And also worthless.

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Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: Decar on September 26, 2022, 01:29:16 AM
Halflings...my thoughts on these tiles are well known.

Lovely idea... breaks the game.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: carca82 on September 26, 2022, 02:36:52 AM
Yesterday I used the C1 version of Princess & Dragon for the first time since I've started playing Carcassonne. Oh the horror...

(https://i.postimg.cc/T1zZvhxg/Princess-And-Dragon-C1-Tile-01.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)

The C2 version of this tile is also ugly but is definitely less ugly and, in fact, never hurt my eyes before:

(https://i.postimg.cc/bYZrPM8w/Princess-And-Dragon-C2-Tile-F.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 26, 2022, 08:53:20 AM
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The ugliness!  :o

And also worthless.
It would be, but there are the special variant rules  8) saving this item.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: dirk2112 on September 28, 2022, 09:43:46 AM
Old art = darmstadtium

New art = the sign post tile with the bridge over the city.  All the sign posts tiles are ugly.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: DIN0 on September 28, 2022, 11:01:09 PM
Can't argue about the signposts, but a lesser known fact about the darmstadtium is that it is built around a medieval fortification (which you can see in the tile), so it is not simply a modern building in Carcassonne. Maybe this will ease your dislike.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: dirk2112 on September 30, 2022, 05:32:04 AM
I didn't know that.

To be honest, when I first saw the tile I thought it was a sled carrying rocks.  I didn't know it was a real building until I read about it.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: BBG on May 16, 2023, 08:43:30 AM
Yesterday I've played The City Gates for the first time in my life and... well, I have a new answer for this thread: ANYTHING from it! To be more specific, here's the updated chart of the three most absolute ugliest tiles in all Carcassonne, according to me:

#3 (https://wikicarpedia.com/images/6/69/CityGates_C1_Tile_22.png) #2 (https://wikicarpedia.com/images/7/77/CityGates_C1_Tile_02.png) #1 (https://wikicarpedia.com/images/a/a1/CityGates_C1_Tile_15.png)
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: oldbonz on May 16, 2023, 09:24:16 AM
this is the one i hate, i never know how to place it
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: Decar on May 16, 2023, 10:05:28 AM
Haha oldbonz - I assure you; they're much better when they've been turned over.

BBG, In the game's defense the City Gates tiles were produced as a print and play by a fan and selected by HiG to be published on their website as a fan-expansion.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: CGNBL on May 17, 2023, 11:59:17 PM
Bazaar. Auctions makes the game much longer and they are not suitable for this game.
Also, the official rules of the bazaar is just so bad. Auctions meant to counter the randomness of drawing tiles but it ends up giving great advantages to the player who pick the tiles first.
Title: Re: What is your least favorite tile?
Post by: kothmann on May 18, 2023, 10:21:34 AM
Here’s a fun way to use the Bazaar tiles (shameless self promotion):
https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=6193.msg89885#msg89885

And wood bits make a lovely alternative to City Gates:
https://boardgamegeek.com/blogpost/115962/variant-7-city-gates-walls-tb-tiles-surrogate

I would be able to overlook how ugly the cCCF princess tile is if it had been a mirror image (CCcF) to complement the cCCF tile of I&C.  >:D