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Carc Central Community => General => Topic started by: carlium on June 25, 2022, 06:52:39 AM
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Hi all, in the past weeks, I have been checking deep into the Cyrillic side of Carcassonne, and I wanted to share with you something interesting. An unlicensed variant/spin-off of Carcassonne in Ukraine.
LaPorxada found multiple editions of Ukrainian versions of the game. All of them are notoriously unlicensed, but they follow the path of the Iranian version I posted some months ago. I mean, they do not use any HiG material; they change the title and some names to fit better into their cultural context.
However, this post is not about those versions. They are cool, but most are off print years ago. This post is about one edition that does not include meeple nor scoreboard, but instead contains a 10x8 blue grid and new mechanics.
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LaPorxada and I were chatting about it, translating the rules, and checking some details, and I found it interesting; it is more like a competitive puzzle. Maybe there are some similar variants in the forum (I did not find any).
The name of this edition is a generic name shared by all other Ukrainian unlicensed editions, Крепость.
(https://i.ibb.co/VVmJ0h6/20210443492507.webp)
Rules
The game goes as follows (remember, no meeples are involved):
1. First player draw the first tile (no starter tile, apparently) and puts it in any square of the blue grid.
2. By turns, each player draws a tile and puts the tile in the blue grid. I believe that after the first tile, players must place the tile adjacent to an existing tile in the good Carcassonne way.
3. If the tile cannot be deployed, the player puts it into their reserve and draw another tile. This step must be repeated up to two more times (three tiles max per turn). The active player passes if none of the three tiles can be placed.
4. At the end of the game, the player with fewer tiles in their hand (or reserve) is the winner. In the case of a tie, a minor break match is played, but using a 6x5 grid space.
Things to take into consideration:
1. There are four new wild tiles (big coat of arms tiles); they can fit without following the rules of edges-matching (kind of like the Abbey)
2. Cities must not finish on the edge of the grid (opposite of Carcassonne maps).
3. Tile distribution is quite different compared with the Base game + River. But still, it is playable as a variant.
| Tile | Крепость | Base+river |
| cccc | 1 | 1 |
| cccf | 3 | 4 |
| cccr | 5 | 3 |
| ccff-J | 7 | 5 |
| ccrr | 5 | 5 |
| ccss | 2 | 1 |
| cfcf-J | 2 | 3 |
| cfcf-S | 3 | 3 |
| cfff | 6 | 5 |
| cfrr | 4 | 3 |
| crfr | 1 | 3 |
| crrf | 3 | 3 |
| crrr | 2 | 3 |
| fffr | 2 | 2 |
| fffs | 2 | 2 |
| ffrr | 8 | 9 |
| ffss | 2 | 2 |
| frfr | 6 | 8 |
| frrr | 4 | 4 |
| fsfs | 1 | 2 |
| wild | 4 | 4 (Abbey tiles) |
| rrrr | 1 | 1 |
| rsrs | 4 | 1 |
| rrss | 2 | 1 |
| Total | 80 | 78 |
This game was produced and distributed by local companies; there are some traces of it on the Internet.
(https://i.ibb.co/BqQ0mLS/23-37.jpg)
Let me know if some of you are fluent in Ukrainian to double-check the rules, or if some of you have more info about this.
Best,
:red-meeple:
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Very interesting, thanks for sharing!
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Oooooh! Looks nice!
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[mention]Willem [/mention] needs one
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So weird @Scott doesn't. >:D
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Who said I didn’t?
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Ehrrr!!! Was I thinking out loud?
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Of course I need one!
Just need to find it hahaha
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Of course I've been scouring the Internet looking for this and can't find it.
@carlium I'd like to see the Ukrainian rules if possible, with the intention of running them through DeepL. Are they in a format that is conducive to copy-pasting?
Official Carc tiles are 45mm square, so an 8x10 grid would be 360x450mm not including the border. Based on the image of the board, the border should be 10mm, for a total size of 380x470mm (15x18.5 inches). ArtsCow has 16x24" neoprene mats for $20 (before shipping).
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@carlium
Thanks for your post.
However, I would find it better if such posts were only visible to logged in members (that's why I told you about it in private chat, with my newer username LaPorxada).
I'll try to explain the reason:
In the last few years I noticed that whenever we fans were excited about, for example, the Russian promos and where you could get them, or even the Iranian first edition.....there was some crazy expensive offer on BGG (russ promos), Ebay (Iranian first edition) or even right here (Russian promos again) pretty quickly after that.
So we could keep our interest in rare, or freaky Carcassonian games that interest us a little bit to ourselves and help each other, but just maybe a little bit more private - but is just my opinion and I salute your post about this interesting edition of course anyway.
If you are interested in other Ukrainian editions from another manufacturer, feel free to write me or I can post the other editions here as well, if the post is only for registered users.
:neutral-meeple:
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I've edited the rules for grammar and consistency with Wikicarpedia. I'm going to put together an 8x10 playmat a well, and then I'll share everything in the download area.
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Hey @Scott have you thought about tiles distribution? I was a little lazy and just picked Base + River and 4 abbeys and done.
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Hey @Scott have you thought about tiles distribution? I was a little lazy and just picked Base + River and 4 abbeys and done.
That works for me. I'm not worried about matching the tile distribution exactly.
72 + 12 = 84 + 4 abbey tiles = 88
Here's a preview of the playmat.
(https://i.ibb.co/Yhf8vnj/board-preview.png) (https://ibb.co/rH5Mn8y)
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Rules available here: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=667 (https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=667)
The download page has a link to the playmat.
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Great job @carlium and @Scott! +1 merit from me.
@BigBoss feel free to share all you may find.
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Hello,
Thank you for sharing!
while looking for additional information I came across these 2 games
Have you ever heard of it ?
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I'm curious if promotion of these unofficial (read as pirate) version of Carc is good at all.
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Dear people,
my previous message was really serious - as a pasioned collector I have been watching a certain scene (which exploits our collecting passion for profit) for years.
But since everything is published here anyway, maybe I should have started this thread here myself, well Carlium meant well and also mentioned me as a source - therefore thanks @carlium & sorry, I had overreacted due to bad experiences.
I appreciate your important contribution to the community!
The well-known Ukrainian board game publisher "Arial"
has a Carcassonne clone in its program since a few hares:
There are two editions, which differ only in the presentation of the covers
Both editions are in Russian (both editions EAN:4820059911227)
1st Edition: "Крепость"
https://gra.ua/product/nastolnaya-igra-krepost-analog-karkasson-carcassonne-ot-arial
The description translates as:
"Arial's Fortress board game, similar to Carcassonne"
And Arial is definitely not some unknown brand:
https://novus.zakaz.ua/en/categories/table-games-novus/tm=arial/
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamepublisher/33972/arial
2nd Edition: "Крепость" (same content - but other box and maybe description - I have not translatzed the text yet)
https://www.yakaboo.ua/nastol-naja-igra-arial-krepost.html#media_popup_photos
Only the latest third edition has been localized into Ukrainian: For example the gametitle: "Крепость" is now "Фортеця"
This "carcassonne 2.0" is availlable fpr purchase directly from the publisher.
https://arial.ua/ru/products/fortetsya
https://drive.google.com/file/d/15PCJxsMFi8oqE-mTWT1PEpvJTCa_ykS-/view
About the exciting Carcassonne edition of the also well-known board game publisher "DankoToys", Carlium has already shared our results and his additional great research with the community in the entrance post.
https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgamepublisher/29255/danko-toys
If anyone would like scanned material from the first edition of Arial, I'd be happy to send them a link (I suspect it wouldn't be legal to post this here).
With best regards
LaPorxada aka BigBoss
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I want all of them!!! emoji code2957]
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