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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #15 on: September 18, 2021, 02:19:26 AM »
BB2/3 did not come out with us. Up to BB4 and more.
However, I found out that this rule came to us.
Mindok added it to a separate 5th expansion of the second edition.

More to the rules of the fairy
According to the current rules, the last sentence is wrong in the rules from Mindoku.
From @Bumsakalaka who received a statement directly from Mindoku.
He received a reply that at the time of issue this rule had not yet been confirmed by HiG.
The rest of the added text is correct.
I would then add this note to the rules to the Czech translation of WICA.

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #16 on: September 18, 2021, 03:33:36 AM »
@petul this is great idea to write rules corrections. It will be good to create some warning box for rules differences. Maybe include also clarifications from HiG to prove that is wrong rules.
And give info to Mindok about this "Errata"

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #17 on: September 18, 2021, 06:07:10 AM »
This is not unique to MindOK. P&D is full of "discrepancies" due to the translations by RGG and ZMG in C1... So ut is no surprise to me that other publishers take a creative approach when they misunderstand the original rules...  ???

Even the C2 P&D rules by HiG are rather misleading at certain points such us the sequence of actions and the dos and don'ts with the volcano and the dragon tiles... :o
« Last Edit: September 18, 2021, 06:09:14 AM by Meepledrone »
Questions about rules? Check WICA: wikicarpedia.com

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #18 on: October 04, 2021, 10:29:37 AM »
I have a question to expand the Tollkeepers and The Markets of Leipzig.
To tiles with villages.
The word village is not used in Czech basic rules.
Only the word crossroads is used in our country.
It counts between the tiles with a crossroads eg. This from the 1st extension.
It makes sense to split the village and crossroads.

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #19 on: October 04, 2021, 11:20:12 AM »
I have a question to expand the Tollkeepers and The Markets of Leipzig.
To tiles with villages.
The word village is not used in Czech basic rules.
Only the word crossroads is used in our country.
It counts between the tiles with a crossroads eg. This from the 1st extension.
It makes sense to split the village and crossroads.
Indeed.

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #20 on: October 04, 2021, 02:30:48 PM »
The German base game rules include this sentence on clompleted roads in 3. Scoring a road:
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Dabei muss die Straße entweder in einem Dorf, einer Stadt, einem Kloster oder in sich selbst enden.

Translation into English:
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In this case, the road must end either at a village, a town, a monastery, or connected to itself.

Better rewording in English;
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The end of a road is closed when it meets a village, a city, a monastery, or it loops onto itself by meeting the other end.

So maybe it is just omitted in the Czech rules.

Of course in other expansions you have crossroads with trees, but The Markets of Leipzig and The Toolkeepers require villages (check for Dorf/Dörfer in German) at the crossroads.

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #21 on: October 31, 2021, 09:01:56 AM »
I have added footnotes to the WICA for the messages extension. So far only in Czech translation.
I have incorporated the Mindok rules.

I'll post it here for others to read.

First some general information.
The expansion was released as part of Big Box 6 (2017).
Mindok copied the rules for the expansion from Big Box 4 (2012).
The text is worded in the style of the first edition.
I have created a "Notes on the Czech translation" page for these general issues.
This page will state that the text on WICA is edited in the style of the second edition.

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Pozn%C3%A1mky_k_%C4%8Desk%C3%A9mu_p%C5%99ekladu

See also
Mindok has modified the ordering of the messages.
Messages 4, 5, 6 and 7 have a different sequence number in the Mindok rules.
This note has been added to each of these reports.

So
Text in footnotes:
In the Mindok rules, this message is listed under the number X.

Modified footnotes:
Note 17 - Similarly, clarification is missing from the Mindok rules.

Note 19 - Same as allowed by the HIG rules. Mindok rules also allow for this.

Note 20 - Added note that in Mindok rules it is message 5 and 6.




Here in the appendix are shown the images of the HiG and Mindok message ordering.
Message 4 - Mindok 7.
Message 5 - Mindok 4.
Message 6 - Mindok 5.
Message 7 - Mindok 6.

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #22 on: November 01, 2021, 01:39:34 AM »
Revisited the C2 Messages page to check no relevant clarification was left behind when I removed section Rounds of Scoring. I added footnote #21 about double turns and Message #4 (Message #7 in you case). Please have a look.

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages#cite_note-21

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #23 on: November 18, 2021, 10:06:06 AM »
Question:
In the English rules of the Traders & Builders expansion and Big Box. (see pictures)
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders

In the introduction for special figures there is this sentence:
These special figures have no impact on step 1. Placing a tile.



It is not listed on WICA - is it missing?
Or there is no reason for it to be there.
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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #24 on: November 18, 2021, 01:30:05 PM »
The wording was not consistent with either version of the rules.

Check if you like this approach:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #25 on: November 19, 2021, 01:51:02 AM »
Everything's fine. The sentence is there. I completely missed it yesterday.  ???

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Re: petul rules queries (WICA)
« Reply #26 on: November 19, 2021, 02:54:05 AM »
OK. I updated the page after your comments to make everything consistent with minimal rewording yesterday.

Thanks for the heads-up!


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