Author Topic: Clarification of rules (ringmasters) - with HiG - 27 01 2021 (Read 5220 times)

Meepledrone · « **Reply #30 on:** January 31, 2021, 04:06:29 AM »

General rule for ringmaster bonus

[Q4] So even if the ringmaster was used by some mechanics of other expansion, the ringmaster will get is bonus during scoring if it is placed on road/city/monastery/field as knight/highwayman/monk/farmer; otherwise (if on any other feature) the ringmaster will not get its bonus. Is this general rule right?

[A4] Yes, that's right

Meepledrone · « **Reply #31 on:** January 31, 2021, 04:52:32 AM »

Ringmaster and monastery-shrine challenges

[Q5] In a shrine-monastery challenge, if a ringmaster is placed on the monastery but the shrine wins. Does the ringmaster scores 0 points from losing the challenge but in any case gets its bonus points?
Note: The ringmaster rules state that: "You also score these ringmaster points even if your ringmaster did not score any points from the completed feature (e.g., someone else had majority)."

[A5] If the ringmaster is placed on a normal monastery winning a challenge, you get the points. The "losing" meeple in the challenge does not score points. It is simply removed.

Therefore, the ringmaster on a losing monastery will be removed without scoring. As a result, you will not get any ringmaster points.
If the ringmaster was on a winning shrine, it will have no special skills, so it will score the usual 9 points but no ringmaster points.

The same logic was applied in a previous clarification regarding challenges and the fairy:

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Question: If the fairy is on the same tile as the losing heretic or monk in a challenge, does the player still score the bonus 3 points?

Answer: When a challenge is resolved (that is, when someone has won), both meeples are returned to their players, so no one stands next to the fairy. [At the point that a challenge is resolved and one participant "scores" zero, the building that participant is in will be incomplete. Therefore, strictly speaking, that participant does not actually take part in "scoring" —say, in the way that a player without the majority in a city does—and so does not score the bonus points— ed.]

So if we add the fairy to the picture we have the following cases:
* Ringmaster next to fairy on winning monastery: the ringmaster scores 9 points for the monastery, 3 points for the fairy and ringmaster points.
* Ringmaster next to fairy on winning shrine: the ringmaster scores 9 points for the monastery, 3 points for the fairy but no ringmaster points.
* Ringmaster next to fairy on losing monastery or shine: the ringmaster is removed and scores no points for the feature, the fairy or the ringmaster bonus (even if the feature permitted it).

Remember that fairy stays on the feature no matter if the ringmaster is removed after scoring the winning feature or losing the challenge.

corinthiens13 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 31, 2021, 04:54:52 AM »

Quote from: Meepledrone on January 31, 2021, 04:06:29 AM

General rule for ringmaster bonus

[Q4] So even if the ringmaster was used by some mechanics of other expansion, the ringmaster will get is bonus during scoring if it is placed on road/city/monastery/field as knight/highwayman/monk/farmer; otherwise (if on any other feature) the ringmaster will not get its bonus. Is this general rule right?

[A4] Yes, that's right

And I hope German monasteries are part of "monasteries" eligible for ringmaster bonus when they replace the base game monasteries ! (if placed as an abbot of course)

Meepledrone · « **Reply #33 on:** January 31, 2021, 06:19:42 AM »

Nope, his will also affect any monastic buildings (German monasteries, Dutch & Belgian monasteries, Japanese buildings, Darmstadt churches) even if replacing the base game monasteries.

I raised the issue on Discord and Johannes didn't oppose.

In mind, this may make sense, since the replacement monasteries have extra mechanics or bonuses on their own, so you avoid any overloading.

corinthiens13 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 31, 2021, 06:40:49 AM »

Quote from: Meepledrone on January 31, 2021, 06:19:42 AM

Nope, his will also affect any monastic buildings (German monasteries, Dutch & Belgian monasteries, Japanese buildings, Darmstadt churches) even if replacing the base game monasteries.

I raised the issue on Discord and Johannes didn't oppose.

In mind, this may make sense, since the replacement monasteries have extra mechanics or bonuses on their own, so you avoid any overloading.

Meepledrone · « **Reply #35 on:** January 31, 2021, 07:07:17 AM »

The only edge case assumed is when scoring fields due to the barn. Not because of the barn, but because the ringmaster is in a field...

Bumsakalaka · « **Reply #36 on:** January 31, 2021, 11:56:24 AM »

Quote from: corinthiens13 on January 31, 2021, 04:54:52 AM

And I hope German monasteries are part of "monasteries" eligible for ringmaster bonus when they replace the base game monasteries ! (if placed as an abbot of course)

HiG Johanes was very strict here:
Q: So it considers the ringmaster points only for features in the base game... What about shrines or abbeys, then? Are they excluded? We are considering all monastic buildings (monasteries, abbeys, shrines, German monasteries...) as equivalent features.
We understood this sentence was referring only to the meeple strength... Not that it was not providing ringmaster points in other features.

A:
no it's referring to everything. Otherwise you will run into problems (like the castle), because there are no 8 tiles sorrounding it. Same thing would apply to German monasteries.
But this is a interaction between big expansion and minis again :wink: