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Re: some question...
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2013, 02:59:40 AM »
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Builders and pigs are not followers

See, okay though, but that's not what it says in the rules that came with Traders and Builders.  So I'm confused.  Right near the top it states in Contents:

- 12 new followers in 6 colors (1 pig and 1 builder for each player)


And then later in the rules they call builders and pigs followers again:

"The pigs and builders are treated similarly to the normal followers.  They must be placed on a just-placed tile.  No other follower may be placed on that tile."

So according to the rules I have, while yes of course they are "special" followers, they are still followers.

Here's a link to a pdf of the rules I have:

http://upsilon.cc/~zack/teaching/1011/gla/carcassonne/traders-builders.pdf


Are these rules wrong?  If so can you provide a pdf to newer rules that directly prove this?  It would really help my games to have them.  Thanks!
« Last Edit: September 20, 2013, 05:05:33 AM by Lotas »

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Re: some question...
« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2013, 03:06:44 AM »
the link u posted is invalid...
however, on the CAR u can find the answer
u can find the CAR here
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=198
« Last Edit: September 20, 2013, 03:21:14 AM by aenima »

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Re: some question...
« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2013, 03:16:57 AM »
Why put up a link to the CAR at boardgamegeek.
The CAR is right here at CarcC
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http://www.wikstromtree.org/
although the games page is yet to be started

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Re: some question...
« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2013, 03:27:39 AM »
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Re: some question...
« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 05:17:58 AM »
The link works fine now.  Again, here's a link:

http://upsilon.cc/~zack/teaching/1011/gla/carcassonne/traders-builders.pdf

It says pigs and builders are followers, plainly.

But I see in this CAR it states that in the Big Box rules:

"they are no long considered to be followers".

So they changed it.  That explains it.

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Re: some question...
« Reply #20 on: September 22, 2013, 03:45:17 AM »
so? noone can answer my questions?

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Re: some question...
« Reply #21 on: September 22, 2013, 04:49:57 AM »
aenima,
the rules are not clear enough - there are more than one possible answers.

I have in some weeks the meeting with HiG - Georg Wild  - at Spiel 2013 in Essen.
I have to discuss with him about the rules and together we decide what will be the best answer.

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Re: some question...
« Reply #22 on: September 22, 2013, 05:05:26 AM »
ok :) I wait!

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Re: some question...
« Reply #23 on: September 22, 2013, 05:36:39 AM »
Hey, I completely forgot this, sorry, but did you guys know that the Plague is designed to be used with just the base game, right?

The official rules from Spielbox:

http://www.spielbox-magazin.de/pdf/CCS_diepest_en.pdf

Here's where they say it:

Preperation

Place the starting tile face up. From the 71 landscape tiles of the base game count off 17 and shuffle them. These tiles must be drawn first. Add the 6 new Plague tiles to the rest of the tiles and shuffle them, too.


See?  You're only supposed to use Plague with the original 71 tiles, no more, and no special meeples like the builder, pig, barn or whatever.

That's how I've always played Plague, just with the base game.  If you start adding in other expansions you'd ruin the game, IMO.  The effectiveness of the Plague tiles would be diluted, destroyed even, with any extra tiles, right?  There are only 6 of them and only 18 pest tokens.

So there's your answer for the pig, barn, builder, etc.  Don't use them when you play Plague because you're not supposed to?
« Last Edit: September 22, 2013, 05:40:15 AM by Lotas »

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Re: some question...
« Reply #24 on: September 22, 2013, 07:33:04 AM »
I do not agree... the rules said that, but u are always able to change and combine what u want with carcassonne...
and I can tell u that a game with inns & cathedral, trader and builder + the plague was a great game.

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Re: some question...
« Reply #25 on: September 22, 2013, 08:47:43 AM »
I'm just going by what the official Spielbox rules say, "From the 71 landscape tiles of the base game".   To me this more than suggests it's designed as a stand-alone expansion just for use with the base game.

That's the point I'm trying to make, that the reason the Plague doesn't seem to work with other expansions is possibly because it was never designed to be used with other expansions.  And the official rules seem to back this up.

I've certainly had great fun playing it that way, it's a really cut-throat game of Carc for 2-3 people.  I wouldn't want to add any more tiles than the 78 to it, keep it deadly, heh!

As the song goes, "Nowhere to run to, baby, nowhere to hide!"  ;D

If you want to use it with other expansions go for it, have all the fun you like of course and I'm sure the publisher might already have or be coming up with rules for other expansion issues.  But "officially" it seems to me it was designed only for use with the base game, which is why rules for other expansions might be lacking.
« Last Edit: September 22, 2013, 09:04:26 AM by Lotas »

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Re: some question...
« Reply #26 on: September 24, 2013, 06:02:51 AM »
The Plague was only designed to be played with the base game, but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't work with other expansions, just that it was not tested with other expansions. I see this as more of an opportunity to experiment and figure out what works and what needs to be tweaked.

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Re: some question...
« Reply #27 on: September 24, 2013, 06:11:18 AM »
Well put.

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Re: some question...
« Reply #28 on: September 24, 2013, 10:58:33 AM »
The Plague was only designed to be played with the base game, but that doesn't necessarily mean it won't work with other expansions, just that it was not tested with other expansions. I see this as more of an opportunity to experiment and figure out what works and what needs to be tweaked.
Was any expansion tested with any other? The only exception I can think of is the two (?) tiles in River II which use rules from other expansions. The reason behind the CAR is largley the fact that expansions are all just designed to be played with the base game.
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Re: some question...
« Reply #29 on: September 24, 2013, 07:39:08 PM »
This all reminds me of a text that is in the rulebook of the Swedish version of Dungeon Quest (I think it's called that). Swedish name of the game is Drakborgen from 1985 or so.

In the rulebook they've input a note that these rules are merely to establish a baseline and they encourage players to set up their own rules on what would work for them and wish us all a lot of fun.

Not sure why, but I felt like sharing this.  :meeple:
World record holder for a single game of Carcassonne using 10 007 tiles!


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