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Title: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: boileroo on January 24, 2016, 01:46:47 PM
Hi all
Apologies if this has come up before, I did a search and came up empty!

Is there a 'flow chart' anywhere that details the exact order of play for all expansions ie when each event takes place, pieces are scored etc

This would make playing with new expansions or with new players much easier and prevent a lot of missed points for those still learning!

If the answer is no, would there be any interest in me making one?

Cheers
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Paul on January 24, 2016, 02:10:46 PM
There is in the CAR document at page 207.

It can be downloaded here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=292).
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: boileroo on January 24, 2016, 02:49:45 PM
Thanks, should have said im aware of this. Im envisaging a simpler, graphical version (almost certainly based on the order of play in CAR!) just to act as a visual aid when playing.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Paul on January 24, 2016, 02:55:28 PM
Thanks, should have said im aware of this. Im envisaging a simpler, graphical version (almost certainly based on the order of play in CAR!) just to act as a visual aid when playing.

Aha! Not to reveal too much, but this may become available in the near future when the forum's large side project starts to bloom. :)
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: boileroo on January 24, 2016, 03:07:34 PM
Ooh exciting! To satisfy my own curiosity I might make one of my own when I have the time, will post here if anyone is interested
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on January 24, 2016, 04:40:12 PM
The visual side of me is looking forward to this project.....
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on January 25, 2016, 01:30:59 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: MrNumbers on January 25, 2016, 01:39:03 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

OMG!

My actions:
1. Open file.
2. Say "WHAT???"
3. Close file.

This is SO HUGE! I wasn't thinking that Carcassonne is so complicated game! :o
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Paul on January 25, 2016, 02:55:52 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

But still, I think some members would make more sense out of this Zugablauf than releasing Carc 2.0. :D
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: jungleboy on January 25, 2016, 03:34:43 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

OMG!

My actions:
1. Open file.
2. Say "WHAT???"
3. Close file.

This is SO HUGE! I wasn't thinking that Carcassonne is so complicated game! :o

Haha, that freaked me out too. It looks like the flow-chart for finding the launch code for a nuclear weapon.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: MrNumbers on January 25, 2016, 04:08:30 AM
It looks like the flow-chart for finding the launch code for a nuclear weapon.

 :)) :)) :)) :(y)
Now you made me laughing out loud!
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: danisthirty on January 25, 2016, 04:45:51 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

Thanks for this Fritz_Spinne, I had a quick look at it but I'm afraid I may have accidentally launched a nuclear weapon in the process. Is there any way this can be checked?
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: boileroo on February 07, 2016, 02:46:28 AM
So, attached is something I knocked together based on the order of play included in the CAR. Let me know what you think! Can't promise its mistake-free! I'm also planning on making it a bit 'prettier' when I get some time but for now this will do.

It probably doesn't cover all expansions (I still need to include all the Robbers and Messengers indicators for example) but it covers most of the big ones.

I think there is potential for something useful here, particularly when playing with lots of expansions, or for those that don't know the game as well.

Cheers :orange-meeple:
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on February 07, 2016, 07:58:01 AM
So, attached is something I knocked together based on the order of play included in the CAR. Let me know what you think! Can't promise its mistake-free! I'm also planning on making it a bit 'prettier' when I get some time but for now this will do.

It probably doesn't cover all expansions (I still need to include all the Robbers and Messengers indicators for example) but it covers most of the big ones.

I think there is potential for something useful here, particularly when playing with lots of expansions, or for those that don't know the game as well.

Cheers :orange-meeple:

This is very good! +1 merit for you!

I have noticed something in regards to the City of Carcassonne scoring order. Wouldn't it come before the fairy points are scored, since it comes into play before any points are scored? I may be wrong but would like a second opinion on this.

I would also change the wording 'You must lay a bridge down if required' to 'You may lay a bridge down'. This is just me being a bit picky!


Other than these points, I really love what you have done and hats off to you for producing a very visual and easy to follow order of play!
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Whaleyland on February 07, 2016, 02:59:18 PM
I can't open it on my current device but I believe Dragon was repeated on the left middle flow. I could be wrong about the term, but one of them was definitely repeated. Also, you forgot to include anything with the Plague (placing fleas), the Little Buildings (placement), the tunnels (placing chits), or the Catharsis/Siege/Besiegers (escaping). Overall, though, it looks good. I like all the curly arrows.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Paul on February 07, 2016, 03:26:53 PM
Could not open this with my phone but on the computer it works.

A good effort was put into this, nicely done!

Can you change the background? The colours don't do well if one would print this out. Perhaps having coloured sections somewhere where there is no text, like the inside of a bubble's frame and keep white background for all the text.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: danisthirty on February 09, 2016, 03:18:12 AM
Great effort boileroo! I can't believe you've only received one merit for it. ??? Please accept one from me also... :(y)

Whilst it might not be 100% complete in terms of expansions, your use of colour made it interesting for me, and I really liked the overall look and feel. I hope you will be prepared to keep this up to date as more expansions become available! :)
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Carcking on February 09, 2016, 06:09:11 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

Fritz_Spinne - I need this to be more complicated. Do you have it in Swahili??  :o
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Safari on February 10, 2016, 07:53:47 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

Fritz_Spinne - I need this to be more complicated. Do you have it in Swahili??  :o
Haha, we could try to transliterate it into Kanji if this helps. :D
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Carcking on February 10, 2016, 08:56:34 AM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

Fritz_Spinne - I need this to be more complicated. Do you have it in Swahili??  :o
Haha, we could try to transliterate it into Kanji if this helps. :D

 :(y)   :))
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on February 10, 2016, 01:21:30 PM
Do you think of something lise this:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BxjAmu3pSTKzaG0tMGhxVXRvNEE/view?usp=sharing)

It's in german and I think the latest expansions are missing.

Fritz_Spinne - I need this to be more complicated. Do you have it in Swahili??  :o

Pm CarcassonneForum the author wrote he has the files in German and English for Powerpoint.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Christopher on February 11, 2016, 05:20:01 AM
This is amazing! Merit! I love the colours and the curly arrows.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Christopher on February 12, 2016, 12:59:11 AM
I LOVE this flow chart. Colourful, simple, great for newer and even veteran players when combining a few expansions! I hope you are able to keep updating it as expansions are added! Are you taking ideas for tweaks too?

I was thinking, the Princess bit 'you may remove a knight' then directs straight over to the green bits, and doesn't have any arrows leading to follower placement. I know this is because you can't place a follower if you remove a knight, but because the text reads 'may' and then directs to green, to me it implies that you go to that step even if you don't remove a knight, suggesting that you can't lay a follower at all, which you can if you don't remove a knight. Might just be me though.

The colours, too, as Paul said. I love them, but when I printed it out, the 'Lay the tile' and 'if the tile has' boxes were hard to read.

An arrow from the 'if the tile had a builder' box back up to purple might be nice too.

Maybe change 'ghost' to 'phantom' as that is the commonly used English translation.

'If the tile has a gold symbol' appears twice in the list. Is that deliberate?

Follower deployment needs tower pieces and little buildings added as 'may deploy.'

Possible additions could be plague token and outbreak numbers, catapult rounds and festival follower removal? Optional bridge placement if not required when placing the tile?


I would also change the wording 'You must lay a bridge down if required' to 'You may lay a bridge down'. This is just me being a bit picky!

I think this statement on bridges says 'must' because you MUST lay the bridge at this point if the tile placement would be illegal otherwise, i.e. due to the road.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on February 14, 2016, 01:51:40 AM
I would also change the wording 'You must lay a bridge down if required' to 'You may lay a bridge down'. This is just me being a bit picky!

I think this statement on bridges says 'must' because you MUST lay the bridge at this point if the tile placement would be illegal otherwise, i.e. due to the road.

Very good point! What I meant by this was that people don't have to always lay bridges after their turn unless said tile is in an illegal spot and could be recitifed by the placement of a bridge piece. I think I managed to confuse myself! So actually bioleroo is correct! Sorry!

Also, +1 merit for your precise detailing of corrections and alterations to be made, even my own one! No offense taken.....
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Christopher on February 14, 2016, 11:31:25 AM
I would also change the wording 'You must lay a bridge down if required' to 'You may lay a bridge down'. This is just me being a bit picky!

I think this statement on bridges says 'must' because you MUST lay the bridge at this point if the tile placement would be illegal otherwise, i.e. due to the road.

Very good point! What I meant by this was that people don't have to always lay bridges after their turn unless said tile is in an illegal spot and could be recitifed by the placement of a bridge piece. I think I managed to confuse myself! So actually bioleroo is correct! Sorry!

Also, +1 merit for your precise detailing of corrections and alterations to be made, even my own one! No offense taken.....

Thank you! I love this flow chart, hopefully Bolieroo can keep updating it!
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Christopher on March 23, 2016, 02:13:28 PM
Boileroo! Come back to us! Come finish your flowchart so that we may bask in its glory!
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Christopher on November 04, 2016, 08:57:39 AM
Hello all!

So... after a while, it seemed liked Bolieroo was MIA. I loved the flowchart idea, I thought it would make playing large games much easier. I used Bolieroo's flowchart as a template and expanded on it, taking everything from the CAR order of play section and putting it into a flowchart. It ended up being pretty wordy. And having spent so much time on it, I think I know it more or less back to front anyway. So I don't think I've ever used it! It's not nearly as pretty as Boileroo's, and I'm not really computer-y so it's in Microsoft Word. I was thinking of adding a copy of the summary of figure characteristics table from the CAR. I'll probably stick it in the downloads section sometime or other.
Title: Re: Order of play flow chart?
Post by: Christopher on May 18, 2017, 08:56:36 AM
Hello all!

As I mentioned, I finished the order of play flowchart and included everything. It was far too complicated.

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=331

As a result, I simplified it. I boiled it down to a brief summary of the order of play, which can be used whilst playing. Then I threw in the table of wooden pieces from the CAR, for convenience. In this context, the flier row indicates if the wooden piece can use the flier, and the flier column indicates where the flier can land.

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=332

If you find them of any use or have any suggestions, let me know!