Author Topic: Watermark changes in tiles (Read 12943 times)

JT Atomico · « **on:** February 25, 2016, 12:10:00 AM »

One of the big topics on the forum recently has been completionism. To take this to the edges, I am interested in which tiles have had changes in their watermarks over the years.

The ones that I know about are:

Expansions originally released with no watermark, but later released with a watermark added

Inns & Cathedrals
Traders & Builders
The Princess & The Dragon
The Tower

Mini expansions that gained a crown watermark in Count, King & Cult

The King & Robber Baron
The River II

Versions of The Cult / Shrines & Heretics

Count, King & Cult (crown)
Cult, Siege & Creativity (no watermark)
Spielbox (pentagon)

Misprints (pictured below)

~~Bridges, Castles & Bazaars tile that was originally misprinted with a double watermark~~ (as in replies below, this was never corrected)
Hills & Sheep tile that was originally misprinted with no watermark (corrected in Big Box 5 release)

Other

16 of the base tiles from Big Box 5 have a Wheel Of Fortune symbol but no wheel watermark

Note, I have deliberately omitted The River I, since the Big Box 5 reprint changes more than just the watermark and I considered that release to be The River III.

Is that the full list, or am I missing anything?

jungleboy, maybe this could be added towards the end of your completionsim polls?

^{Misprinted tiles}

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2476.0

Decar · « **Reply #1 on:** February 25, 2016, 01:09:24 AM »

A merit to you - a handy list for any budding completionists.

JT Atomico · « **Reply #2 on:** February 25, 2016, 05:25:03 AM »

Thanks Decar

By the way, if anyone would like a copy of the misprinted BC&B tile then I have a spare. I would quite like to trade it for a non-misprinted one if possible!

Decar · « **Reply #3 on:** February 25, 2016, 05:30:29 AM »

Is there a copy that isn't misprinted. My HiG copy is and so is my Rio Grande. I wonder if Zman has corrected it.

JT Atomico · « **Reply #4 on:** February 25, 2016, 09:35:45 AM »

Quote from: Decar on February 25, 2016, 05:30:29 AM

Is there a copy that isn't misprinted. My HiG copy is and so is my Rio Grande. I wonder if Zman has corrected it.

Perhaps not, I had assumed there was because you had included the misprinted one in your list of assorted rare things posted here: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2288.msg32337#msg32337

Decar · « **Reply #5 on:** February 25, 2016, 10:03:55 AM »

I wonder if it was fixed for Devir's release. I thought HiG would be fixed, but it seems not. I've not seen a Z-man printing, I'm some someone will tell us

Christopher · « **Reply #6 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:24:51 PM »

I've just checked my Z-Man Games Bridges, Castles and Bazaars, and it does have the misprinted tile. It's not been corrected, it seems.

JT Atomico · « **Reply #7 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:42:28 PM »

Thanks for checking Christopher, merit for you

Perhaps no one ever told the publishers! It's quite easy to miss.

Christopher · « **Reply #8 on:** February 25, 2016, 12:52:32 PM »

Thanks!

I'll be honest, I hadn't noticed until reading this thread and checking!

Decar · « **Reply #9 on:** February 26, 2016, 02:44:35 AM »

Well that was disappointing - I believed it had been corrected, because the HiG Complete Tile List had it corrected. However, I've verified:

Carcassonne: Basaarit ja Bastionit - Finland
Carcassonne: Mosty a hrady - Czech
Carcassonne: Bazars, ponts et forteresses - French
Carcassonne: Bruggen, Burchten en Bazaars - Dutch
Каркасон: Мостове, замъци, пазари - Bulgarian
Каркассон. Колесо фортуны - Russian
Carcassonne: Mercados y Puentes - Spanish

Editions all don't include the correction. It's possible a newer HiG edition doesn't contain the fault, but it seems unlikely.

JT Atomico · « **Reply #10 on:** February 26, 2016, 02:51:05 AM »

I also ordered one from Cundco as a spare part and it had the misprint, so whatever edition they are using has not been corrected.

Which complete tile list are you referring to? This one, linked to from the Cundco spare parts page, has the misprinted tile: http://cundco.de/media/pdf/Kartenliste.pdf

Decar · « **Reply #11 on:** February 26, 2016, 02:54:45 AM »

That pdf was created by a CarcF member; his user name is on the bottom left. It's a great PDF. I was referring to this one; which you can find on the Grunspiel page: http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/carcassonne/carcassonne-grundspiel/

JT Atomico · « **Reply #12 on:** February 26, 2016, 05:12:47 AM »

What about when it was included in Big Box 3? Several other tiles have been changed for Big Box print runs in the past (e.g. the Hill & Sheep misprint).

Is anyone here in possession of BB3 and able to check this Bridges, Castles & Bazaars tile?

Quote from: Decar on February 26, 2016, 02:44:35 AM

Well that was disappointing - I believed it had been corrected, because the HiG Complete Tile List had it corrected. However, I've verified:
Carcassonne: Basaarit ja Bastionit - Finland
Carcassonne: Mosty a hrady - Czech
Carcassonne: Bazars, ponts et forteresses - French
Carcassonne: Bruggen, Burchten en Bazaars - Dutch
Каркасон: Мостове, замъци, пазари - Bulgarian
Каркассон. Колесо фортуны - Russian
Carcassonne: Mercados y Puentes - Spanish

Editions all don't include the correction. It's possible a newer HiG edition doesn't contain the fault, but it seems unlikely.

Decar, do you own all of those language variants? Or how did you check?

Decar · « **Reply #13 on:** February 26, 2016, 05:18:48 AM »

BB3 has the error too.

My googlfu is strong

JT Atomico · « **Reply #14 on:** February 26, 2016, 05:24:25 AM »

Quote from: Decar on February 26, 2016, 05:18:48 AM

My googlfu is strong

Evidently much stronger than mine!

I emailed the HiG contact address, it seems like they may never have realised the error!

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Dear Jamie,

I just checked the tiles we have here and it turned out that all tiles B8H have two watermarks. Nobody had every noticed this before. Thank you for telling us about it. Unfortunately, we can not replace the tile because all tiles have that error. I’m sorry for this.

Kind regards,

Michael Fronia

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------Forwarded message------
From: Jamie Humphries <jamie.humphries@outlook.com>
Date: Fr., Feb. 26, 2016 at 14:04
Subject: Carcassonne: Brücken, Burgen und Basare
To: info@hans-im-glueck.de <info@hans-im-glueck.de>
Hello,

Sorry that this is in English.

In my copy of Brücken, Burgen und Basare there is a tile with an extra watermark. See the attached picture.

However, in the card list it only has one watermark. See tile B8H on page 8 of this PDF (also attached): http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/fileadmin/data_archive/Downloads/CarcKartenliste1_9_Minis.pdf

Is it possible to buy a copy of this tile with only one watermark? If so, when was it released?

Thank you!

Jamie