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Official Rules / Re: Order of play in french
« on: July 23, 2019, 03:18:20 PM »Hi again,
I realised I'm not sure about the "place a tile" actions order (pages 10-11): do we have any clue if princess, mage and witch, Solovei Razboynik and Vodyanoy actions have to be played before or after moving the dragon ?
Hi corinthiens13!
In C2, the dragon movement is the last action after drawing and placing a tile. It will happen right before the Move Wood phase. The C2 rules represent it as phase 1b. The Dragon Moves, that would happen between 1. Placing a tile and 2. Placing a Meeple. So all actions associated to tiles will happen before the dragon moves.
In C1, as per HiG and ZMG, the dragon moves after the Move Wood phase and before scoring, that is between 2. Placing a Meeple and 3. Scoring a feature.
On the other hand, RGG mistranslated the C1 German rules and placed the dragon movement after scoring, that is after 3. Scoring a feature. This is noticeable in the RGG version of Big Box 3 where the written rules state the dragon moves after scoring but the Order of Play diagram at the end of the manual (the same as the HiG original) places the dragon movement between 2. Placing a Meeple and 3. Scoring a feature. Funny, huh?
And also for "Étape 5 : Actions" (page 13), should we send meeples to Solovei Razboynik before or after (or both) moving a ferry, and before or after the fruit bearing tree action ?
Cheers
There is no official rules or clarifications about the interactions of these three min expansions, so the interpretation of the rules is all we have. So there is no official ruling about how the sequence the actions related to Ferries (2012), Solovei Razboynik (2016) and Fruit-bearing Trees (2018) should happen. Additionally, HiG has included a disclaimer in the rules of the latest mini expansions declining any clarifications on their behalf.
All this said, the rule of thumb I followed for the Order of Play is:
* Respect any partial turn of sequence provided in rules (I extended this to scoring sequence as well)
* If the order of actions is not irrelevant (like in this case), order them by release date (first released, first served)
So we have two blocks of actions here, that will be handled in this sequence:
1. Ferries and their interaction with Solovei Razboynik
2. Fruit-bearing Trees
About the sequence
The rules for The Ferries describe the turn sequence as:
1. Placing Tile --> 2. Placing a Meeple --> 3. Placing a Ferry --> 4. Moving a Ferry --> 5. Scoring a Feature
So, why not keeping these actions back to back and adding and incorporating any additional actions such as Fruit-bearing Trees actions after action 4?
The Fruit-bearing Trees actions will happen then at that point before scoring, as a result of this line of thought and considering "the first released, first served" rule.
About the interaction of ferries and Solovei Razboynik
The idea here is that lake (ferry) tiles will comply with Solovei Razboynik rules regarding meeple trapping right after placing the tile during 1. Placing a Tile as any other tile, but they will also provide more scenarios for trapping meeples such as when connecting roads through:
a. placing the ferry on the lake
b. moving the ferry
These two scenarios will happen during 2. Placing a Meeple, and they are not explicitly mentioned in the Solovei Razboynik rules, for example, but can be distilled from the Solovei Razboynik rules:
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If followers occupy a road that goes through the Solovei Razboynik tile (or they occupy roads that are connected to that tile later on in the game), players must move them onto the tile.
Therefore, the Solovei Razboynik tile will trap meeples located on a road connected to its roads segments. This may happen when:
* Placing the Solovei Razboynik tile next to roads containing ferries or not.
* When connecting roads to the Solovei Razboynik tile by tile placement or by moving ferries
Hope this helps.
Cheers!
PS: As a result of your question, I have applied the following updates to WICA:
* Russian Promos: Added a clarification on the interaction of Solovei Razboynik with ferries and tunnels.
- Page: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Russian_Promos_(1st_edition):
* Order of Play: Added explicit actions on the interaction of Solovei Razboynik with ferries and tunnels.
- Page for C1: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition)
- Page for C2: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
- Page for WE: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play
