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Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« on: February 01, 2021, 10:43:40 AM »
I just picked up a Rio Grande C1 Big Box 3 and would like to add the river to it. I am mostly familiar with the C2 version of the game and am having trouble deciding which C1 River to buy. I do understand the basic tile differences between The River I and II, and am most interested in tracking down RII.

Here is my dilemma:
A) Is the Rio Grande Games' version of The River from The Count, King & Robber the same as the version that was released in the C1 base game by Z-Man Games?
B) Does the C1 artwork between Rio Grande and Z-Man Games match?

Thanks!

Linkback: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=5031.0

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2021, 11:18:58 AM »
As I know, Rio Grande published C1 design and Z-Man C2 design. So I guess design will not match.
C2 Rivers was never published as standalone expansion, only as part of Basic game or Big Box 2017 (River I) or as part of expansion 6 King, Robber and river (River II).
River III was never published in C2.

River I have no junction, River II has. River II has also Volcano on last tile. so when playing with Dragon, dragon is ready for eat meeples from beginning. This change strategy (when no playing Dragon, it's just printed element on tile).

But usually players have both rivers and make decision every game, if play River I, River II, River I+II or without river. Then every game is different.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2021, 11:55:07 AM »
I agree on mix matching and changing the rivers around from game to game. That is how we play as well. But, for me branching into C1, I will be content with just one river...for now at least!

To further expand on my original post, the reason I specifically asked about the differences between Rio Grande and Z-Man is because I found a Z-Man C1 version for a reasonable price with The River. I had originally thought Z-Man only printed C2 as well. Could this possibly be a knock off or rebranded by Z-Man to sell off old Rio Grande Stock?



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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2021, 12:23:56 PM »
Zman became the official US (and UK) publisher of Carcassonne in about 2012, after the Rio Grande license expired or wasn't renewed.

In 2015 Hans im Glueck (the German publisher and licensor) produced the new art style.

Zman printed the new art style in 2016, and for a time both versions of the art style were available.

Up until 2016, the Zman and Rio Grande editions were essentially identical.

I'm not aware of Zman purchasing unsold Rio stock and rebranding it.


Regarding rivers, I always find this analysis helpful:

https://www.rpg.net/reviews/archive/12/12081.phtml

You may just want to get expansion 6 (Count, King, and Robber).

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2021, 12:32:49 PM »
RGG had the license for C1 Carcassonne until 2012 as far as I can see on the CAR v7.4, pages 312-315. The last thing they published was the Mini expansions. ZMG took over afterwards for C1 and maintained it for C2.

So for example Big Boxes 1, 2 & 3 where published by RGG and Big Boxes 4 and 5 by HiG. So you will find, copies of the base game in C1 and all the major expansions (and the Minis) until that date published by both of them.

The shades of green in RGG sets and in ZMG sets does not have to be consistent. This is a recurring issue even in HiG versions.

I can even see some differences in shade in C2...

EDIT: Oooops! Decar was faster than me.  :)
« Last Edit: February 01, 2021, 12:34:49 PM by Meepledrone »
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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2021, 01:07:20 PM »
Thank you all for the help! That clears things up.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2021, 02:15:04 PM »
Thanks @Meepledrone and @Decar for data about Z-Man C1 versions. I have to remember.
So @totec55 good luck there are still differences on green of grass (fields) in every edition, every publisher and even two different expansions by one publisher both in same design (c1 for example) ;-)

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2021, 02:26:58 PM »
My garden has at least 3 species of grass growing in it, and it's nowhere near the size or magnitude of the green pastures that surround Carcassonne.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #8 on: February 02, 2021, 12:45:12 AM »
one quick search on an interweb auction site later and I found the following examples to fit your needs for the artwork that you have:


Since the links to the various sites that have photos were previously removed:

« Last Edit: February 03, 2021, 10:54:28 AM by shushman, Reason: Since the links to the various sites that have photos were previously removed. »

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2021, 11:37:06 AM »
The River 3 only came in Big Box 5, is that correct? -  :pink-meeple:

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2021, 11:43:47 AM »
Yep... That's correct.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2021, 11:56:07 AM »
Do we think that the 20th Anniversary edition will now be River 4? -  :pink-meeple:

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2021, 11:59:50 AM »
It depends on what we consider the River in Big Box 6 is. It is the same as River I included in the base game but featuring an expansion symbol. Is that enough to consider it C2 River III? I would say no.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2021, 12:03:12 PM »
The entire river in the 20th anniversary is shown on the other thread, it seems unique enough to warrant another title.

The titles the River and the River II are the chosen titles from HiG.
The other titles are titles given by the community.
River 3 is just a variation on River 1. I'd rather this was BigBox 5 river.
I'm up for calling it the Jubilee River, as it's clearer what it is.

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Re: Need help deciding which "The River " to buy.
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2021, 12:05:38 PM »
I'm up for calling it the Jubilee River

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