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Re: WikiCarpedia - German Cathedrals 2nd edition
« Reply #15 on: January 03, 2021, 03:34:35 PM »
Yep, tiles are always counted once, except German cathedral tiles, where each road segment is counted separately.

So the "tennis ball" tile and the tile with the bridge are counted once.

The same would happen with tiles with wooden bridges on tiles with a road and both taking part in the same road, or tunnels connecting multiple branches of the same road network on the same tile. Check Question #18 for an example showing this:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4911.msg73208#msg73208

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Re: WikiCarpedia - German Cathedrals 2nd edition
« Reply #16 on: January 03, 2021, 04:44:52 PM »
Many thanks for clarifying.
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Re: WikiCarpedia - German Cathedrals 2nd edition
« Reply #17 on: January 04, 2021, 02:34:23 AM »
Since I see that the subject of cathedrals is active again, I take the opportunity to say that the rules would have to be revised. Especially interactions with other expansions, leaving aside the use of fallacies of authority (Kettelfish quizes).
One option would be for Kettelfish to really detail what HiG clarified for him and what didn't and if it isn’t possible then to contact HiG directly what they have to say about the cathedrals ...
I would be interested to know what they think about the interaction with the bonuses of the German castles and the little buildings and how they logically justify their use for the Archbishop.
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Re: WikiCarpedia - German Cathedrals 2nd edition
« Reply #18 on: January 04, 2021, 03:27:28 AM »
Example with 3 types of bonuses (inns, little buildings and Castle of Germany). I have added the three types of little buildings (Tower, house and shed) using the variant of 3,2,1 point.
How much would the cathedral score knowing that it isn’t the end of the game?

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Feel free to comment, although I would appreciate justified and reasoned answers using only the rules of each expansion without nothing more.


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Re: WikiCarpedia - German Cathedrals 2nd edition
« Reply #19 on: January 04, 2021, 03:52:40 AM »
I would score it 24 points:
Cathedral tile with four road segments, two with an inn and two without: 6 pts
2 road tiles: 2 points
5 road tiles with inn: 10 points
3 little buildings of resp. values 1,2 and 3 points.

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Re: WikiCarpedia - German Cathedrals 2nd edition
« Reply #20 on: January 04, 2021, 04:05:52 AM »
I would score it 24 points:
Cathedral tile with four road segments, two with an inn and two without: 6 pts
2 road tiles: 2 points
5 road tiles with inn: 10 points
3 little buildings of resp. values 1,2 and 3 points.

Thanks for your contribution! I would lack the justification of why you add certain bonuses and others not, only with the rules of each expansion.  :yellow-meeple:

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Re: WikiCarpedia - German Cathedrals 2nd edition
« Reply #21 on: Today at 07:44:20 AM »
I came across this thread on CarcF from 4/2016 (again), that includes a reply by Michael Fronia of HiG confirming that Kettlefish's riddles with German Cathedrals and German castles are correct.
* Thread on CarcF:
   https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=3237
* Post on CarcF with Michael Fronia's reply:
   https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=3237&p=40694#p40906
* Thread on CarcF with Kettlefish's riddles referenced by Michael Fronia:
   https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=101&t=3222
* Thread on CarcC with the same riddles:
   http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2580.0

Conclusions:
- German castles are taken into consideration when scoring a road (connected to German cathedrals o not) during the game
- German castles are not considered when scoring a German cathedral for the roads connected to it

Additional comments by Kettlefish included in the thread:
- Scoring a German cathedral has nothing to do with scoring the roads connected to it
- The +3 bonus points [for a German castle] are added to the road being scored when this road is completed in the turn. A German Cathedral is scored [during the game] when all roads starting/ending at its tile are completed. This means that the scoring of the a German cathedral and the last completed road connected to it will happen together, and yet the German cathedral is not a road and certainly not a city.

Note that during the game, when you score a German cathedral, you receive points for all the completed roads connected to it, some of them maybe even completed in previous turns (and therefore unoccupied at this point). Inns are considered as per the rules.

After the game, any incomplete occupied German cathedral will be scored taking into consideration all the roads connected to it:
- those already completed
- those still incomplete (even those road segments on the German cathedral not connected to another tile)
Inns are also considered as per the rules.


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