Author Topic: Russian promos version study  (Read 495 times)

Offline tp10053

  • Duke
  • *
  • Posts: 218
  • Merit: 5
  • Carcassonne is only complete with 11th expansion:)
    • View Profile
Russian promos version study
« on: October 05, 2020, 04:08:55 AM »
Ok so with the recent movements of the rare Russian promo tiles in the Marketplace section, several questions have been asked regarding various versions of this expansion, including the reverse back tiles.
In that topic I have adressed this, but I thought it would be a good idea to make it into its own topic. Here is my previous answer:

Quote
To chime in on on the reversed tiles. The 2013 version of Russian promos containing 2 tiles has actually been produced 3 times, not just once. That is the years 2013, 2014 and 2015. There may have been some differences between these print runs including the reversal of the sides.
I should mention that I own a 2015 version which does not have reversed backs, however the backs are rotated 90 degrees clock-wise - a feature a suspect is common for all three runs. Additionally, my 2015 version is significantly darker shade of green than this reversed tile - a shade simlar to 2016 4 tile version.
Unfortunatelly, I do not have any information on the number of places, where these tiles were printed, so local discrepancies cannot be ruled out.

UPDATE: I have confirmed some information I already suspected. So the 2013 and 2014 versions have lighter green, while 2015 and 2016 version have darker green. However I am still not sure if the reversal occured in 2013 or 2014 version, nor if all the tiles from those versions were affected.

So to streamline this I will make the following model:

2013: light green, 90° rotation
2014: light green, 90° rotation
2015: dark green, 90° rotation
2016: dark green, no rotation

To add to this, we know that reversed tiles of the light green versions exist. This brings up 4 different possibilities:
1. Only 2013 version has a subset of reversed tiles
2. Only 2014 version has a subset of reversed tiles
3. Both 2013 and 2014 versions have a subset of reversed tiles
4. Either 2013 or 2014 version exists exclusively as a reversed tile set.

It is currently unknown which one of these scenarios is correct, or if reverse tiles of 2015 or 2016 versions exist.
To answer the latter question, I am inclined to say no. 2015 version seems to be more streamlined (some rule updates were made) and it switched to a new green.
There are pictures on the internet of the 2016 version, depicting stacks of 2016 sheets, none of which are reversed. It is plausible that those were all the tiles ever made for 2016, although that is unconfirmed.

So in conclusion, I would like to ask if anyone owns a 2013 or 2014 versions of these tiles, and is 100% certain that they truly belong to that version. If so please post any interesting observations here.

Linkback: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4815.0

Online Meepledrone

  • Global Moderator
  • Count Chevalier
  • *
  • Posts: 2197
  • Merit: 147
  • It is full of... Meeples!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2020, 01:04:01 PM »
Wow! This is a really thorough analysis!

Thanks for sharing, tp10053!

+1 merit from me.
Questions about rules? Check WICA: www.wikicarpedia.com

Offline tp10053

  • Duke
  • *
  • Posts: 218
  • Merit: 5
  • Carcassonne is only complete with 11th expansion:)
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2020, 01:49:47 PM »
Thank you Meepledrone!

I am actually working on a document detailing all the differences and parameters of various versions of expansions. It would serve as a guide to collectors and completionists.
 You may remember a certain topic I made last year about how to differentiate between seemingly indistinguishable River versions. That info + more will be included in the document.

I will try to resolve this Russian mystery and then release an early draft containing items of greatest interest. I then plan to update it based on feedback and help of other community members.
« Last Edit: October 05, 2020, 01:52:50 PM by tp10053 »

Offline DrMeeple

  • Marquis
  • ***
  • Posts: 509
  • Merit: 13
  • Meeples are meeples.
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2020, 10:43:14 PM »
Wow! I didn’t know it.. I thought that russian promos was on the same colour.... Weird thing...


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
'Connected field segments are called farms'  - The Weed Guru

Offline tp10053

  • Duke
  • *
  • Posts: 218
  • Merit: 5
  • Carcassonne is only complete with 11th expansion:)
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2020, 11:53:45 PM »
Time to collect then  >:D

Offline DrMeeple

  • Marquis
  • ***
  • Posts: 509
  • Merit: 13
  • Meeples are meeples.
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2020, 01:02:24 AM »
   Ha ha ha no thanks. I love my own russian tiles printed in normal tiles.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Offline tp10053

  • Duke
  • *
  • Posts: 218
  • Merit: 5
  • Carcassonne is only complete with 11th expansion:)
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2020, 06:03:07 AM »
Stay tuned, some great revelations are coming this way    8)

Online Meepledrone

  • Global Moderator
  • Count Chevalier
  • *
  • Posts: 2197
  • Merit: 147
  • It is full of... Meeples!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2020, 06:18:32 AM »
Are you talking about new Russian Promo tiles?

Offline tp10053

  • Duke
  • *
  • Posts: 218
  • Merit: 5
  • Carcassonne is only complete with 11th expansion:)
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2020, 06:27:38 AM »
No not that  :))
I meant new info on the version differences. :(y)

Online Meepledrone

  • Global Moderator
  • Count Chevalier
  • *
  • Posts: 2197
  • Merit: 147
  • It is full of... Meeples!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2020, 07:30:01 AM »
Ah, okay...  :'(

HobbyWorld told Murphy013 not long ago they didn't have plans for any more promo tiles so I was thinking that maybe they had changed their minds.

Offline Kirk Sellman

  • Villein
  • ***
  • Posts: 42
  • Merit: 0
  • Profile updated
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #10 on: October 08, 2020, 08:26:06 AM »
Hello,

From what I'm reading, it doesn't seem like buying the Russian promos are worth it, especially for the prices they're charging.

Kirk

Offline tp10053

  • Duke
  • *
  • Posts: 218
  • Merit: 5
  • Carcassonne is only complete with 11th expansion:)
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #11 on: October 08, 2020, 08:54:57 AM »
Ah, okay...  :'(

HobbyWorld told Murphy013 not long ago they didn't have plans for any more promo tiles so I was thinking that maybe they had changed their minds.

Yes I know about that.

Offline tp10053

  • Duke
  • *
  • Posts: 218
  • Merit: 5
  • Carcassonne is only complete with 11th expansion:)
    • View Profile
Re: Russian promos version study
« Reply #12 on: October 08, 2020, 09:00:34 AM »
The invitation still stands - if anyone owns the authentic tiles, feel free to post here any useful/interesting information.
It might potentially help me finishing this study  :)

I already gathered some valuable sources, but I will wait just a little longer for the next update.


Share via delicious Share via digg Share via facebook Share via furl Share via linkedin Share via myspace Share via reddit Share via stumble Share via technorati Share via twitter

  Subject / Started by Replies / Views Last post
xx
WTB / WTT Russian Promos - second set

Started by gabrielgeek

0 Replies
462 Views
Last post January 25, 2020, 02:33:44 AM
by gabrielgeek
xx
[WTB] Russian Promos

Started by WarHippy

1 Replies
810 Views
Last post October 30, 2018, 10:54:03 AM
by Push
xx
WTB - Katharer and Russian promos

Started by Thrawn

6 Replies
849 Views
Last post October 20, 2019, 06:18:29 AM
by Meepledrone
xx
Looking for Original Russian Promos / Bags

Started by edarling

2 Replies
581 Views
Last post April 10, 2020, 03:35:52 PM
by edarling
xx
WTB: Corn Circles I, Cathedrals, Labyrinth, and Russian Promos

Started by CovertOps

14 Replies
4361 Views
Last post October 20, 2016, 03:14:00 PM
by Jesusgcas