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Halflings and hills
« on: September 07, 2020, 02:49:30 PM »
But I have question, when you have Halfling with Hill, this tile is going under standard sized or Halfling? ;-)

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2020, 03:30:46 PM »
If you draw a Halfling tile with a hill, you will place a square tile face down underneath. In this case, the hill will affect the whole square space.

You can see the related rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings#Tiles_with_expansion_symbols
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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2020, 10:56:48 PM »
If you draw a Halfling tile with a hill, you will place a square tile face down underneath. In this case, the hill will affect the whole square space.

You can see the related rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings#Tiles_with_expansion_symbols
Also a second halfling tile? But there is no hill

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2020, 12:41:09 PM »
You would have two cases. Imagine you have a square space:

1) The Halfling tile with the hill is placed in an empty space

    a) A player decides to place the Halfling tile with the hill
        - The player draws a square tile automatically (if any)
        - The player places the square tile face down in an empty space and the Halfling tile with the hill on top
        - Notes:
           - The space of the missing Halfling in the space shows the back of the tile face down.
           - Any scoring involving a meeple on the Halfling tile with the hill will benefit from the hill in case of a tie.
    b) The same player or another one may place a Halfling in the empty triangular space in a later turn.
        - Notes:
           - At this point, the two Halflings occupy the space so the back of the square tile face down is not visible anymore.
           - Any scoring involving a meeple on any of the two Halfling tiles in the space with the Halfling hill will benefit from the hill in case of a tie (the hill affects both Halfling tiles).

2) The Halfling tile with the hill is placed in a space half occupied by a another Halfling tile

    a) A player decides to place a regular Halfling tile (no hill)
        - The player places the chosen Halfling as usual
        - Note:
           - Any features including meeples on the Halfling tile will score as usual.
    b) The same player or another one may decides to place a Halfling tile with the hill in the empty triangular space in a later turn.
       - The player draws a square tile automatically (if any)
       - The player places the square tile face down under the Halfling already in place and the Halfling with the hill about to be placed
       - Notes:
         - At this point, the two Halflings occupy the space so the back of the square tile face down is not visible anymore.
         - Any scoring involving a meeple on any of the two Halfling tiles in the space with the Halfling hill will benefit from the hill in case of a tie (the hill affects both Halfling tiles).

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2020, 03:01:09 PM »
Hypothetically ...

If someone was using two sets of Halflings for some reason, a second halfling with a hill is thus available. If it was placed next to a previous halfling with a hill, filling in a halfling gap, a second regular tile would be placed underneath? Supposing they were also playing with regular hills (from H&S), the double height would take precedence over a single hill? Right?
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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2020, 03:40:38 PM »
Hypothetically ...

If someone was using two sets of Halflings for some reason, a second halfling with a hill is thus available. If it was placed next to a previous halfling with a hill, filling in a halfling gap, a second regular tile would be placed underneath? Supposing they were also playing with regular hills (from H&S), the double height would take precedence over a single hill? Right?

Hi wolnic!

Ha ha ha!

This scenario is really nasty... This double hill would be awesome to play with. We have no rule about this case, as expected, but for the sake of consistency we could house rule it and play it as you say. I'd love to to try this. 8)

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #6 on: September 09, 2020, 12:01:02 AM »
I don't know. This new scenario is nice.
But I thing, that Halfling without Hill has to be played as without Hill doesn't care if share space with Hill's Halfling.
When something like this will be wanted, then it will be in rules, so I red them and it's true:
Hill | If you place the triangular tile depicting the hill, you draw a regular land tile according to the rules of the 9th expansion and place it under the hill tile. The free triangular space can later be filled by placing another half-sized tile. The hill counts for the whole space and therefore also for a potential second triangular tile. If you have a meeple on a feature with a hill, ties for scoring that feature are broken in your favor.
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings
So previous scenario when you play double set of Halfling with Hills and you want to place second Halfling to empty triangle next to Hill Halfling (haha I wrote Hell, so close to true), than you don't put other tile under them.
1. You can't do this, because other regular tile is already placed under first Hill Halfling and you can't place tile under already placed tile
2. Or why not ;-) But this is absolutely undiscovered rules' area, because there is none of rules talking about using more than one set's of expansion in one game.

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #7 on: September 09, 2020, 01:05:53 AM »
As I wrote in one of previous posts, I need to reread rules again ;-)

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #8 on: September 09, 2020, 05:06:00 AM »
The rules only cover the case where:
* You play with one set of Halflings
* The Halfling tile with the hill is placed first

So we have to apply our common sense if the Halfling tile with the hill is placed as second Halfling in a space (the Halfling with the hill closes a triangular gap). There is no explicit rule for this case and it is not forbidden either.

There are no rules either to combine two Halflings sets or more. Therefore, placing to Halflings with hills in the same space is a case not considered in the rules. You will have to hose rule how to deal with it:
* Is this placement allowed?
* If so:
   - Do hills stack? In other words, does the hills add their individual effect or just count as one hill?
   - Do you place two tiles face down under the Halflings with hills? If the hills stack, it would be the appropriate thing to do, otherwise, you place only one as you ignore the second hill.

So, as you can see, there is plenty of room for house ruling and weird fun!
   

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2020, 06:28:18 AM »
Yeah.
I thing how to handle 2 Halflings with Hill on same regular place is not our issue. It is not standard of playing game ;-)
I know, a lot of player do this with basic game.

But placing second Halfling with Hill on place with another Halfling is other question.

Allowing this will get very big power to player with Hill, because he can change backwardly game situation placing tile and change already placed meeples on previou non hill Halfling.

Maybe this is the reason, why this is not mentioned in official Rules ;-)

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2020, 10:10:15 AM »
HiG want to hide the fact that Halflings come with Mediaeval bulldozers to alter the terrain on the fly.  >:D

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2020, 12:24:55 PM »
Yop as in Ministerio del Tiempo ;-)

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2020, 01:05:24 PM »
What do you know about "Ministerio del Tiempo"?  >:D

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2020, 01:38:28 PM »
 >:D

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Re: Halflings and hills
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2020, 01:49:52 PM »
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