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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2020, 02:49:54 AM »
This post and the following ones include the answers to the quiz.

Hope you enjoyed these brainteasers.  ;)



Question #1:

:red-meeple: places a tile that completes a small city occupied by him and another city occupied by :yellow-meeple:.



Instead of scoring his small city, :red-meeple: decides to convert it into a castle.



How many points do :red-meeple: and :yellow-meeple: score in this scenario?

Answer #1:

:red-meeple: completes the small city and converts it into a castle. As a result, the small city is not scored and its watchtower either.

On the other hand, :yellow-meeple: will score 6 points for the other completed city (3 tiles x 2 points per tile). However, the city controlled by :yellow-meeple: does not trigger the scoring of :red-meeple:'s newly-created castle because a castle cannot score any feature completed on the same turn it is built.

So the bottomline is:
* :red-meeple: does not score any points.
* :yellow-meeple: scores 6 points.

Additional notes:
* You can see in the Order of Play that if a small city is converted into a castle, the small city is not scored and none of its associated bonus is scored either. So the conversion into a castle takes precedence over any scoring associated to the small city involved:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
* A castle scoring cannot be triggered by any feature completed on the same turn as the castle is created. A castle scoring can only be triggered by a feature completed on a later turn (or at least on a later round of scoring).
  - Check the rules about castle conversion and scoring here:
    http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#Castles
  - And especially this clarification for more info:
    http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#cite_note-13
« Last Edit: August 29, 2020, 02:52:41 AM by Meepledrone »
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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #61 on: August 30, 2020, 02:25:06 AM »
Question #2:

:yellow-meeple: has just placed the tile highlighted in yellow completing several features. Can you help :yellow-meeple: and  :red-meeple: score their features according to the active scoring tiles?



Answer #2:

The placement of this tile completes and triggers the scoring of four features, all of them affected by the active scoring tiles:

* The small city controlled by :red-meeple:: In this case, the Bad Neighborhood scoring tile prevents :red-meeple: from scoring any semicircular segments in the city, this means :red-meeple: scores 0 points for the small city (0 tiles with non-semicircular segments x 2 points per tile = 0 points)

* The 3-tile city controlled by :red-meeple:: In this case, the Bad Neighborhood scoring tile only allows :red-meeple: to score one non-semicircular segment in the city, this means :red-meeple: scores 2 points for the small city (1 tile with non-semicircular segments x 2 points per tile = 2 points). Note: this city is only scored by :red-meeple:, since the :yellow-meeple: abbot is not placed in the city but on a monastery within the city.

* The monastery in the city controlled by :yellow-meeple:: In this case, the Pilgrimage Route scoring tile provides additional points for the tiles containing road segments. So :yellow-meeple: will score 17 points for the monastery (9 points for the feature itself + 8 tiles with roads x 1 point per tile = 17 points).

* The 2-tile road controlled by :yellow-meeple:: In this case, the Highway scoring tile instructs :yellow-meeple: to score 5 points for the road no matter its actual length (5 scored tiles x 1 point per tile = 5 points).

So the bottomline is:
* :red-meeple: only score 2 points for the 3-tile city.
* :yellow-meeple: scores 17 points for the monastery and 5 points for the road. (Two separate scoring events.)

Note that :yellow-meeple: could have also removed their abbot in phase 2. Placing a meeple instead of scoring the completed monastery. In this case, :yellow-meeple: would  score 9 points only, since the scoring tile bonus for the monastery would have not applied to this early scoring.

Additional notes:
* You may find the rules for the scoring tiles here:
  http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors
* You may find the rules for the abbot here:
  http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot

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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #62 on: August 30, 2020, 02:30:26 PM »
Question #3:

:red-meeple: placed the tile highlighted in red completing this nice road with a view from the bridge. How many points will :red-meeple: and :yellow-meeple: score this time?



Answer #3:

The placement of the tile with the inn completes a road occupied by :red-meeple: and :yellow-meeple:'s tollhouse at the other end.

:yellow-meeple: will score the tollhouse with the large toll first: :yellow-meeple: will score 8 points (1 group of travelers x 6 points + 1 farmhouse on the road x 2 points = 8 poins). Note that:
* The shed on the tile just placed is not considered as it it not on the road being scored.
* The garden underneath the bridge is not taken into consideration as the bridge is passing over it. In this case, we would apply the same logic as for an inn on the tile.

:red-meeple: will score a 4-tile road (including the bridge) with an inn, receiving 8 points for it (4 tiles x (1 point per tile + 1 point for the inn) = 4 x 2 = 8 points)

Since the scored road contains a group of travelers, the :yellow-meeple: tollhouse will be turned over after scoring.

So the bottomline is:
* :yellow-meeple: scores 8 points for the tollhouse.
* :red-meeple: only scores 8 points for the 4-tile road.

Additional notes:
* You may find the rules for the Tollkeepers here:
   http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers
* Clarification about how inns affect roads:
   http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Inns_and_Cathedrals#cite_note-3

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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #63 on: September 01, 2020, 04:23:58 AM »
Question #4:

:red-meeple: placed the tile with another circus area so it triggers the scoring of the big top at its previous location. How many points do :red-meeple: and :yellow-meeple: score in this scenario?



Answer #4:

In this case, completed features are scored first (Step 3B), then meeples are removed from them before the big top is scored and moved (Step 3D).

Step 3B. :red-meeple: scores the small city just completed and removes the :red-meeple: on it.

* :red-meeple: scores 4 points for the city.

Step 3C. The big top is evaluated and moved afterwards:

* :red-meeple: scores 6 points for the big top (2 meeples x 3 points). The :red-meeple: meeple on the castle (the castle is overlapping a tile adjacent to the big top) is considered and the one trapped in the bathhouse too.
* :yellow-meeple: scores 3 points for the big top (1 meeple x 3 points). The :yellow-meeple: on the circus tile is considered but the :yellow-meeple: builder is not a meeple and therefore it is not considered.

So the bottomline is:
* Step 3B:
  - :red-meeple: scores 4 points for the city.
* Step 3C:
  - :red-meeple: scores 6 points for the big top
  - :yellow-meeple: scores 3 points for the big top
 
You can find the clarifications about scoring big top points for meeples in castles here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top#Circus_tiles.2C_animal_tokens_and_the_big_top_2

Additional notes:

As indicated by Carcassonne93, an alternative solution is that where :red-meeple: decides to convert the completed small city into a castle. In this case, no scoring takes place on Step 3B and :red-meeple: has 3 meeples adjacent to the big top in this case (two of them in castles). The scoring in this case would be:

* Step 3B:
  - No scoring takes place, just the castle conversion
* Step 3C:
  - :red-meeple: scores 9 points for the big top (3 meeples x 3 points)
  - :yellow-meeple: scores 3 points for the big top (1 meeple x 3 points)

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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #64 on: September 01, 2020, 06:29:46 AM »
Somewhere here on forum I read that meeple on castle is not counted (sorry I don't know which expansion is was), because he is not on exact tile.
Why is than here meeple in castle counted for Big Top?
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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #65 on: September 01, 2020, 10:12:46 AM »
We were discussing the wachtower counting meeples vs. the big top scoring.

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.msg68046#msg68046

The big top scoring considers meeples in castles overlapping the tiles neighboring the circus space but there is no clue if the watchtower scoring per neigboring meeples should consider meeples in castles too.

Quoting the interactions with castles in the Exp. 10 rules: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top#Circus_tiles.2C_animal_tokens_and_the_big_top_2

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If at least one tile forming a castle is adjacent to the Big Top, a meeple in that castle will score points when a circus is scored.
   
You can find the watchtower tiles description here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers#3._Scoring_a_feature

...including a clarification in this regard:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers#cite_note-4

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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #66 on: September 01, 2020, 11:16:02 AM »
No, I thing it was something about dragon diet, or something else I really don't remember ;-(
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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #67 on: September 01, 2020, 11:53:39 AM »
Are you referring that the dragon cannot eat a meeple in an Exp. 8 castle, since it is not placed on a particular tile?

You can check this clarification of the interaction with the dragon here (see entry about Exp.3):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars#Castles_2

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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #68 on: September 01, 2020, 12:40:58 PM »
Sorry, It was something else, I'll try to find it, but I don't have a clue what to search ;-D

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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #69 on: September 01, 2020, 01:23:52 PM »
Ha ha ha!

Ok..I give up...  ;)

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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #70 on: September 02, 2020, 12:47:54 AM »
I have it. But on Tapatalk, so I can't copy link to topic but it's topic about Controversial fairy move - something like that.
So here it is:
The protection works as follows:
* 4a. The fairy would protect the tile where it stays from the dragon except the castle portion. The castle is protected by itself, since it is not located on a particular tile.

So and my idea is: If castle is not located on particular tile, then meeple in castle can not get points for BigTop.


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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #71 on: September 02, 2020, 09:26:08 AM »
Ah, okay. This was from this topic, Controversial Interactions #02 - Castles and  fairies, found here:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4724.0

The thing is that this is an odd thing from the Exp. 10 original rules (it is not an afterthought or clarifications from HiG), the same as allowing the fairy to give the 1-point bonus to all the acrobats in a pyramid.  :o


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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #72 on: September 02, 2020, 11:05:25 AM »
Yeah. So this was reason why I was not counting points for big top for meeple in castle.
But is it was written zillion times:
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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #73 on: September 03, 2020, 11:21:56 AM »
Question #5:

How many points does :yellow-meeple: score in this case after completing the small city?



Answer #5:

Original answer - outdated by clarifications from 1/2021 (obsolete answer)

:yellow-meeple: completes a small city with a watchtower. Since the :yellow-meeple: meeple is on the watchtower tile, :yellow-meeple: will score first the watchtower and then the completed city.

* :yellow-meeple: scores 6 points for the watchtower (6 tiles with roads x 1 point per tile). The tiles considered are:
  - The monastery tile with the bridge, since the bridge considered as a road segment on a tile
  - The CRRR tile as it contains 3 road segments
  - The 2 Halfling tiles with one road segment each
  - The labyrinth tile as it works like a road tile connecting four roads (it is like a special roundabout).
  - The watchtower tile as it has a road segment
* :yellow-meeple: scores 4 points for the small city (2 tiles x 2 points per tile)

So the bottomline is:
  - :yellow-meeple: scores 6 points for the watchtower
  - :yellow-meeple: scores 4 points for the city

Additional notes:

If :yellow-meeple: would have decided to convert the small city into a castle, :yellow-meeple: would score no points, since the city and therefore the watchtower wouldn't be scored.


Revised answer - aligned with clarifications from 1/2021 (current valid answer)

:yellow-meeple: completes a small city with a watchtower. Since the :yellow-meeple: meeple is on the watchtower tile, :yellow-meeple: will score first the watchtower and then the completed city.

* :yellow-meeple: scores 5 points for the watchtower (5 tiles with roads x 1 point per tile). The tiles considered are:
  - The monastery tile with the bridge, since the bridge considered as a road segment on a tile
  - The CRRR tile as it contains 3 road segments
  - The 2 Halfling tiles with one road segment each counted together as 1 tile
  - The labyrinth tile as it works like a road tile connecting four roads (it is like a special roundabout).
  - The watchtower tile as it has a road segment
* :yellow-meeple: scores 4 points for the small city (2 tiles x 2 points per tile)

So the bottomline is:
  - :yellow-meeple: scores 5 points for the watchtower
  - :yellow-meeple: scores 4 points for the city

Additional notes:

If :yellow-meeple: would have decided to convert the small city into a castle, :yellow-meeple: would score no points, since the city and therefore the watchtower wouldn't be scored.


EDIT: Updated response to align it with the clarifications from 1/2021.
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Re: Little Summer Quiz 2020
« Reply #74 on: September 04, 2020, 02:40:00 AM »
Question #6:

:yellow-meeple: places the tile highlighted in yellow and completes two roads. How many points do :yellow-meeple: and :red-meeple: score?



Answer #6:

The placement of the tile completes two roads:
* One road occupied by the :red-meeple: meeple with an inn, the witch and a bathhouse.
* Another road occupied by the :yellow-meeple: meeple with an inn and the wizard. This road is not affected by the other bathhouse.

:red-meeple: scores 8 points for the road:
* 4 points for the road: ( 4 tiles x (1 point per tile + 1 point for the inn) ) / 2 for the witch = ( 4 x 2 ) / 2 = 4 points
* 4 additional points for the bathhouse on the road

:yellow-meeple: scores 12 points:
* 8 points for the road: ( 4 tiles x (1 point per tile + 1 point for the inn) ) = ( 4 x 2 ) = 8 points
* 4 additional points for the wizard (4 tiles x 1 point per tile)

The second :red-meeple: meeple is on an incomplete road with a bathhouse and scores no points.

As a side note, both meeples scoring points are sent to one of the two free bathhouses, since each of them participate in a single-meeple scoring, that is, each meeple scores a feature on its own.

So the bottomline is:
* :red-meeple: scores 8 points for the road
* :yellow-meeple: scores 12 points for the road
« Last Edit: September 05, 2020, 03:39:39 AM by Meepledrone »


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