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Phantom - just checking
« on: June 28, 2020, 10:37:39 AM »
Quote from: WikiCarpedia, paraphrasing slightly ...
The phantom can be also placed as second figure after removing a figure during the "Move Wood" phase ...

An abbot follower (The Abbot)

A follower or a special figure (The Festival)

A follower trapped by Vodyanoy or Solovei Razboynik (Russian Promos)

Now I'm pretty sure that this means a phantom can be placed on the tile just played following one of the above (as per normal rules), but - to me at least - it also kind of sounds as though it might mean that the phantom could be placed on the tile from which the other wood had just been moved ...
Please confirm.  :yellow-meeple:

Linkback: http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4706.0
« Last Edit: June 28, 2020, 10:40:10 AM by cicerunner »

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Re: Phantom - just checking
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2020, 11:20:54 AM »
In the absence of a Meepledrone comment: I say that the phantom may only be placed onto the tile that has just been placed. It is a separate action. The fact that the 1st action was on another tile is irrelevant.
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Re: Phantom - just checking
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2020, 01:16:22 PM »
Ha ha ha!

Let's see a recap of the actions happening in the first steps of phase 2. Placing a meeple, right after the optional buy back fof one of your meeples trapped in a batthouse (Step 2A).



A lot of actions may happen in Step 2B-1, before placing your phantom. You may pick only one of the following actions, grouped by types for the sake of simplicity:
* Placing one of your meeples:
  - On a feature or bridge on the tile just placed (direct placement)
  - On a feature on another tile (with a magic portal or a flying machine)
  - As an acrobat on the tile just placed or on an adjacent tile, or on another tile (with a magic portal or a flying machine)
  - On any open tower
  - On the Wheel of Fortune
* Placing one of your special figure:
   - Your pig, builder or shepherd on the tile just placed
   - Your barn on one of the corners of the tile just placed
* Placing a neutral figure:
   - The fairy next to any of your meeples on the playing area
   - A tower floor on any tower foundation or or open tower in the playing area, including the tile just placed. You may capture one meeple from any player including yourself..
* Placing/moving a token:
   - Placing a little building on the tile just placed
   - Placing or moving your tollhouse on any village in the playing area
* Removing a figure:
   - Any of your figures in the playing area with the Festival
   - Your abbot form any tile on the playing area to score it early
   - Any of your meeples trapped by Vodyanoy or Solovei Razboynik.
* Scoring an acrobat pyramid on any tile of the playing area that was completed in a previous turn.

After performing none or one of these actions, you may optionally place your phantom (Step 2B-2). You may pick only one of the following actions:
* Placing your phantom:
  - On a feature or bridge on the tile just placed (direct placement)
  - On a feature on another tile (with a magic portal or a flying machine, if not used previously by another meeple)
  - As an acrobat on the tile just placed or on an adjacent tile, or on another tile (with a magic portal or a flying machine, if not used previously by another meeple)
  - On any open tower
  - On the Wheel of Fortune



Afterwards Step 2C will conclude the phase with some actions:
* Ferry placement and optional movement
* Shepherd actions
* Optional fruit actions, that may be triggered by any of your meeples placed in Steps 2B-1 and 2B-2, if any
* Receiving a dispatch from this round of scoring, if applicable. Note that some messages may involve your phantom  ;)



So the phantom, as any other meeple is limited to the same placement restrictions and benefits:
* By default, it is placed on the tile just placed
* Some mechanics may allow you to place it on other tiles:
   - Magic portals
   - Flying machines
   - Acrobat placement
   - Tower capping
   - Wheel of Fortune

You can enjoy all this in full detail in the Order of Play here: 
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

Lovely, right? ;D

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Re: Phantom - just checking
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2020, 03:35:58 PM »
Hmm Interesting.
I never thought that flier or magic portal can be user by Phantom.

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Re: Phantom - just checking
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2020, 03:41:40 PM »
Yes, you can. The only limitation is that you didn't use the magic portal or the flying machine to deploy a meeple as first figure. You cannot use the same magic portal or flying machine twice.

You can revisit these interactions here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition)#Other_expansions

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Re: Phantom - just checking
« Reply #5 on: June 30, 2020, 09:49:08 AM »
Ha ha ha!

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Lovely, right? ;D
Thanks so much MeepleDrone.

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