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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #15 on: April 06, 2020, 02:20:15 AM »
When you are updating store during the game...
Is it possible to give user opportunity to sort by "rules" except "chronological order" you mentioned that is used in comments in WiCa?

You mean to move Watchtowers and Tollhouses to the top?

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #16 on: April 06, 2020, 07:34:42 AM »
I'm sure about Watchtowers, because some of watchtowers count Meeples arround it. So if you score road and take Meeple back, Watchtower "owner" will not get points for meeple.

About Tollkeepers I'm not sure, because rules is that in part 1 you score tollkeeper and than road, but it can be done also in reverse order.

But whan I'm looking on this scoring page...

Somebody also wrote, that he forgot to get +1 point for fairy (I guess that was you).

Maybe, it can be good to reorganize it like Order of Play -> Order of Scoring.
- there are some basic sets:
1. Scoring before playing land tile
- Fairy, Rebuing meeple in Bathhouse, ...
2. Scoring when finished road
- watchtowers, tollkeepers, market of leipzig, etc. also fairy
3. Scoring when finished city
- watchrowes, etc.
4. Finish 3x3  - Close
- take meeple from bathhouse 0 point
- finish monastery, gardens, top, acrobats, etc.
5. Features depends on place where you put a land tile
- fruits, sheppard,
- here can be mentioned, that you can return abbot and how it's scored

Problem can be, that every new expansion brings someting new (what is good and it makes Carcassone so awesome).

I like WiCa, this is our family problems solver, when we play Carcassonne ;-)

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2020, 04:39:27 PM »
Thanks for your kind works about WICA. I'm glad it is helpful for you.  ;D

This is the way I'd organize the Scoring pages according to the turn sequence. Here you can see a sample. All your feedback is welcome.



Scoring During the Game

Scoring at various points
    - Tower actions (Ransoming / Prisoner exchange)
    - Messages (at the end of each round of scoring scoring - not for points payments between players: meeple ransoming, bazaar bidding, meeple payback from bathhouse)
    - Robbers (after each scoring - no rogue points)

1. Placing a tile

* Round 1A - Beginning of turn:
    - Fairy 1-point bonus

* Round 1B - After drawing tile, before placing tile:
    - Wheel of Fortune actions

* Round 1C - After drawing and placing tile:
    - Wind rose 3 points

2. Placing a meeple

* Round 2 - End of “move wood” phase:
   - Step 2A: Move the Wood (Prologue) - Before placing a figures or tokens
       - Buying meeple back from bathhouse
   - Step 2B-1: Move the Wood (Phase 1) - Instead of placing figures or tokens (skipped if removed knight with princess tile)
      - Abbot removal scoring
      - Acrobat pyramid scoring
   - Step 2B-2: Move the Wood (Phase 2) - Placing phantoms (skipped if removed knight with princess tile)
      - (No scoring here)
   - Step 2C: Resolve Move the Wood - Rest of actions
      - Shepherd after "Guide flock to the stable" action
      - Fruit-bearing tree action

3. Scoring a feature

* Round 3 - Scoring phase:
   - Bonus scoring (pre):
        - Watchtower (for Road / City)
        - Tollhouse (for Road)
        - Gingerbread Man (for City)
   - Feature scoring:
        - Road:
             - Market of Leipzig Prologue
             - Core feature scoring (Feature + German cathedral + Inn)
             - Mage/Witch Modifiers
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings + German Castles + Bathhouses + Labyrinth bonus)
             - Market of Leipzig bonus (Wainwrights quarter)
        - City
             - Core feature scoring (Feature + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers + Cathedral)
             - Mage/Witch Modifiers
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings + German Castles + Bathhouses + Darmstadtium)
             - Market of Leipzig bonus (Coiners quarter)
        - Monastic Building (with a meeple placed as a monk or a heretic)
             - Core feature scoring (Feature + Vineyards)
             - Challenge resolution
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Market of Leipzig bonus (Bookinders quarter)
        - Field with Barn (barn placement / connection to field with barn)
             - Core feature scoring (completed cities / castles + pig + pig-herd tile + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - Castle
        - Baba Yaga's Hut
             - Core feature scoring (Feature)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - Garden
             - Core feature scoring (Feature)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - German castle
             - Core feature scoring (Feature)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - German cathedral
             - Core feature scoring (Roads + Inns)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
   - Bonus scoring (post):
        - Associated to features
            (- Little Buildings: included with features above - each feature type scores deferently)
           - Darmstadt church bonus (for Darmstadt churches)
        - Associated to figures:
           (- Markets of Leipzig: included with associated features above - each feature type scores deferently)
           - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus (all features)
           - Ringmaster points (all features)
           - Teacher bonus (all features)
   - Circus scoring

4. Additional actions

* Round 4 - End of turn:
   - Catapult points
   - Bazaar points



Scoring After the Game

1. Preparing for final scoring

   - Robber removal
   - Circus scoring (before scoring after the game)

2. Scoring incomplete features

   - Bonus scoring (pre):
        - Tollhouse (for Road)
   - Feature scoring:
        - Road:
             - Core feature scoring (Feature + German cathedral + Inn)
             - Mage/Witch Modifiers
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - City
             - La Porxada prologue
             - Core feature scoring (Feature + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers + Cathedral)
             - Mage/Witch Modifiers
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - Monastic Building (with a meeple placed as a monk or a heretic)
             - Core feature scoring (Feature + Vineyard = 0)
             - Challenge resolution (incomplete)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - Castle (=0)
        - Baba Yaga's Hut
             - Core feature scoring (Feature)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - Garden
             - Core feature scoring (Feature)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - German castle
             - Core feature scoring (Feature)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - German cathedral
             - Core feature scoring (Roads + Inns)
             - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
        - Shepherd
        - Acrobat pyramid (incomplete)
   - Bonus scoring (post):
        - Associated to features
            (- Little Buildings: included with features above - each feature type scores deferently)
            - Darmstadt church bonus (for Darmstadt churches)
        - Associated to figures:
           (- Markets of Leipzig: included with associated features above - each feature type scores deferently)
           - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus (all features)
           - Ringmaster points (all features)

3. Scoring unscored figures

   - Shepherds with their sheep (0 points)
   - Acrobat pyramid (meeples + fairy)

4. Scoring end-of-game features

   - Vodyanoy tile (trapped meeples)
   - Features:
        - Feature scoring:
           - German monastery / Dutch & Belgian monastery / Japanese building (with a meeple placed as an abbot)
               - Core feature scoring (Feature + Vineyard = 0)
               - Challenge resolution (incomplete)
               - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
           - Field
               - Core feature scoring (completed cities / castles + pig + pig-herd tile + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers)
               - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
               - Market of Leipzig bonus (Tanners quarter)
       - Bonus scoring (post):
           - Associated to features
               (- Little Buildings: included with features above - each feature type scores deferently)
           - Associated to figures:
              (- Markets of Leipzig: included with associated features above - each feature type scores deferently)
              - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus (all features)
              - Ringmaster points (all features)
   - Figures:
        - Figure scoring:
           - Barn
              - Core feature scoring (completed cities / castles + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers)
              - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)

5.Resolving final scoring

   - Trade good tokens
   - King tile
   - Rober Baron tile
   - Gold ingots
   - Fruit tokens

Edit: Updated phase 2. Placing a meeple.

Edit 2: The last circus scoring happens once the game has ended (there is no active player), no messages can be received.

Edit 3: The last circus scoring happens once the game has ended, robbers should have no effect.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2020, 05:13:34 AM by Meepledrone »

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2020, 05:59:35 AM »
WOW. WOW. WOW.

Well, I thing this has to be clarify by more players, but I guess you are one of most informed about rules.

I don't have all of expansions (yet), so I can give you feedback only for expansions which I know and play.

1. In Acrobat scoring in Round 2 will be good to write that it's not possible scoring immediately after place a meeple
2. Round 3. City - maybe double points when you have a small castle around finished - I don;t have this expansion, but it was mentioned on "big city with 3 times scoring" in one of latest topic
3. That Fairy/Ringmaster/Teacher bonus can be shoed everywhere where it's possible, it will be better for players, you finish a city, so you check rules for it, and you see, a Fairy is hire +3 point. Usually people is not looking below ;-(
4. It's missing scoring issue when rebuy meeple from bathhouse, it has to be before Round 2 becaouse rebuyed meeple can be used in same turn.
5. Maybe phase 2 can be devided to
a) place a meeple - no scoring
b) when not placing meeple, you can - remove Abbot, count sheeps (here can be written, that seeps on tiles is counted also - Halflings C2 and River III?), and mentioned Acrobats?

Fruit-bearing tree action: This action isn't be located in Round 4?

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2020, 04:32:28 AM »
WOW. WOW. WOW.

Well, I thing this has to be clarify by more players, but I guess you are one of most informed about rules.

I don't have all of expansions (yet), so I can give you feedback only for expansions which I know and play.

Sorry if I overwhelmed you. I love to discuss all this. All this was easy to put together combining the info here:

* Scoring During the Game:
   - Rounds of Scoring summary (summarized scoring rounds and events) 
       http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages#Rounds_of_Scoring
   - Order of Play (detail of scoring events in each step)
       http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
   - Scoring during the Game (detail of all the scoring steps per feature and applicable bonus)
       http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game

* Scoring after the Game:
   - Game Reference (final sequence for final scoring)
       http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference
   - Scoring after the Game (detail of all the scoring steps per feature and applicable bonus)
       http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game

1. In Acrobat scoring in Round 2 will be good to write that it's not possible scoring immediately after place a meeple

I updated phase 2. Placing a meeple to include the steps and scorings allowed. Hope this addresses your suggestion.

2. Round 3. City - maybe double points when you have a small castle around finished - I don;t have this expansion, but it was mentioned on "big city with 3 times scoring" in one of latest topic

Castles are a feature in itself and can belong to any player. The  "big city with 3 times scoring" was like a planet alignment, were all the castles and the city belongs to the same player. Lucky him!

3. That Fairy/Ringmaster/Teacher bonus can be shoed everywhere where it's possible, it will be better for players, you finish a city, so you check rules for it, and you see, a Fairy is hire +3 point. Usually people is not looking below ;-(

This can be an option. Let me see.

4. It's missing scoring issue when rebuy meeple from bathhouse, it has to be before Round 2 becaouse rebuyed meeple can be used in same turn.

I updated phase 2. Placing a meeple to include the steps and scorings allowed. Added the bathhouse pay back. You are right. I skipped it by error.

5. Maybe phase 2 can be devided to
a) place a meeple - no scoring
b) when not placing meeple, you can - remove Abbot, count sheeps (here can be written, that seeps on tiles is counted also - Halflings C2 and River III?), and mentioned Acrobats?

I updated phase 2. Placing a meeple to include the steps and scorings allowed. Hope this addresses your suggestion.

Fruit-bearing tree action: This action isn't be located in Round 4?

Nope. this is at the end of phase 2. Placing a meeple too.

Thanks for your suggestions.  :(y)

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« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2020, 04:41:00 AM »
Thanks. Children came to Easter. We will play with some new expansions. I can check it ;-)
« Last Edit: April 08, 2020, 07:07:07 AM by stano.lacko »

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2020, 07:36:27 AM »
Hi stano.lacko,

After checking your comments, here you are a major revision with the following:
- All the bonus replicated for each feature
- Messages marked at the required places
- Robber actions at the required places
- Feature triggering castle scoring are also indicated

Manageable? Too much overload? Any thoughts?

Thank you in advance and have fun in Easter!

Cheers!



Scoring During the Game

Actions happening at various points
    - MESSAGES (at the end of each round of scoring - not rounds of scoring for payments between players: meeple ransoming, bazaar bidding, meeple payback from bathhouse)
    - ROBBERS / ROBBER CHOICE (after each scoring - no rogue points)

Scoring at any point during your turn (happening only once even in a double turn granted by the builder)
    - Tower actions:
         - Ransoming a meeple
              - One player adds points  + ROBBERS
              - One player subtracts points (negative points are NOT allowed)
         - Prisoner Exchange (=0)

1. Placing a tile

* Round 1A - Beginning of turn:
    - Fairy 1-point bonus
        - Score bonus + ROBBER CHOICE (there may be multiple options with acrobats)
        - Iterate as required: MESSAGES (#1A) + ROBBERS

* Round 1B - After drawing tile, before placing tile:
    - Wheel of Fortune actions
        - Score actions from the Wheel of Fortune + ROBBER CHOICE
        - Score meeples in Wheel of Fortune + ROBBER CHOICE
        - Iterate as required: MESSAGES (#1B) + ROBBERS

* Round 1C - After drawing and placing tile:
    - Wind rose 3 points
        - Score tile + ROBBERS
        - Iterate as required: MESSAGES (#1C) + ROBBERS

2. Placing a meeple

* Round 2 - End of “move wood” phase:
   - Step 2A: Move the Wood (Prologue) - Before placing a figures or tokens
       - Buying meeple back from bathhouse
           - Subtract points (negative points are allowed)
   - Step 2B-1: Move the Wood (Phase 1) - Instead of placing figures or tokens (skipped if removed knight with princess tile)
      - Abbot removal scoring
           - Score meeple + ROBBERS
      - Acrobat pyramid scoring
           - Score pyramid + ROBBER CHOICE
   - Step 2B-2: Move the Wood (Phase 2) - Placing phantoms (skipped if removed knight with princess tile)
      - (No scoring here)
   - Step 2C: Resolve Move the Wood - Rest of actions
      - Shepherd after "Guide flock to the stable" action
           - Score shephers(s) + (shared) flock including printed sheep + ROBBERS (CHOICE) (Although all players score involved the same)
      - Fruit-bearing tree actions
           - Harvest fruit + ROBBERS
           - Sell fruit + ROBBERS
      - Iterate as required: MESSAGES (#2) + ROBBERS

3. Scoring a feature

* Round 3 - Scoring phase:
   - Feature scoring:
        - Road:
             - Bonus scoring (pre):
                - Iterate Tollhouses + ROBBERS
                - Iterate Watchtowers + ROBBER CHOICE (if several meeples present)
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Market of Leipzig Prologue
                - Core feature scoring (Feature + German cathedral + Inn)
                - Mage/Witch Modifiers
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings + German Castles + Bathhouses + Labyrinth bonus)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Market of Leipzig bonus (Wainwrights quarter)  + ROBBERS
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
        - City:
             - Bonus scoring (pre):
                - Gingerbread Man (when city completed) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Iterate Watchtowers + ROBBER CHOICE (if several meeples present)
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Core feature scoring (Feature + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers + Cathedral)
                - Mage/Witch Modifiers
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings + German Castles + Bathhouses + Darmstadtium)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Market of Leipzig bonus (Coiners quarter) + ROBBERS
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
         - Monastic Building (with a meeple placed as a monk or a heretic):
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Core feature scoring (Feature + Vineyards)
                - Challenge resolution
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Darmstadt church bonus (for Darmstadt churches)  + ROBBER (CHOICE)
                - Market of Leipzig bonus (Bookinders quarter) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
         - Field with Barn (barn placement / connection to field with barn)
             - Feature scoring + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Core feature scoring (completed cities / castles + pig + pig-herd tile + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
         - Castle (overlapping castle fiefs will be scored with the same scoring):
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Core feature scoring (from triggering feature)                 
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
        - Baba Yaga's Hut:
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                 - Core feature scoring (Feature)
                 - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
        - Garden:
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Core feature scoring (Feature)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
        - German castle:
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Core feature scoring (Feature)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
        - German cathedral:
             - Feature scoring --> on total score trigger castle (next scoring) + ROBBER CHOICE
                - Core feature scoring (Roads + Inns)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Teacher bonus (based on feature scoring) + ROBBERS
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points + ROBBERS
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus + ROBBERS
   - Figure scoring:
        - Circus scoring:
             - Score big top + ROBBER CHOICE
        - Gingerbread Man scoring if moved (no city was completed):
            - Score Gingerbread Man + ROBBER CHOICE
   - Iterate as required: MESSAGES (#3) + ROBBERS

4. Additional actions

* Round 4 - End of turn:
   - Catapult points
        - Score Catapult points + ROBBERS
        - Iterate as required: MESSAGES (#4) + ROBBERS
   - Bazaar points
        - Score bazaar payments
              - One player adds points  + ROBBERS
              - One player subtracts points (negative points are allowed)



Scoring After the Game

1. Preparing for final scoring

   - Messenger removal
       - Add messenger points and remove them from scoreboard
   - Robber removal
       - Score for remaining robbers on scoreboard
   - Circus scoring (last scoring at the end of the game)
        - Score big top

2. Scoring incomplete features

   - Feature scoring:
        - Road:
             - Bonus scoring (pre):
                - Iterate Tollhouses
             - Feature scoring
                - Core feature scoring (Feature + German cathedral + Inn)
                - Mage/Witch Modifiers
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
        - City:
             - Feature scoring
                - La Porxada prologue
                - Core feature scoring (Feature + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers + Cathedral)
                - Mage/Witch Modifiers
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
         - Monastic Building (with a meeple placed as a monk or a heretic):
             - Feature scoring
                - Core feature scoring (Feature + Vineyards=0)
                - Challenge resolution (incomplete --> no effect)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
         - Castle (=0)
         - Baba Yaga's Hut:
             - Feature scoring
                 - Core feature scoring (Feature)
                 - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
        - Garden:
             - Feature scoring
                - Core feature scoring (Feature)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
        - German castle:
             - Feature scoring
                - Core feature scoring (Feature)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
        - German cathedral:
             - Feature scoring
                - Core feature scoring (Roads + Inns)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
             - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus

3. Scoring unscored figures

    - Remaining figure scoring:
        - Shepherd:
             - Figure scoring:
                - Score shepherds and sheep in fields, including printed sheep (0 points)
        - Acrobat pyramid:
             - Figure scoring:
                - Score acrobats in incomplete pyramids

4. Scoring end-of-game features

   - Features:
        - Vodyanoy tile (trapped meeples)
            - Subtract points to affected players
        - German monastery / Dutch & Belgian monastery / Japanese building (with a meeple placed as an abbot)
            - Feature scoring:
                - Core feature scoring (Feature + Vineyard = 0)
                - Challenge resolution (incomplete)
                - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
            - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
        - Field:
            - Feature scoring:
               - Core feature scoring (completed cities / castles + pig + pig-herd tile + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers)
               - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)
            - Bonus scoring (post):
                - Market of Leipzig bonus (Tanners quarter)
                - Ringmaster bonus points
                - Fairy 3-point scoring bonus
   - Figures:
        - Barn:
           - Figure scoring:
              - Core feature scoring (completed cities / castles + Cathars/Siege/Besiegers)
              - Feature bonus (Little Buildings)

5.Resolving final scoring

   - Fruit tokens
   - Gold ingots
   - King tile
   - Rober Baron tile
   - Trade good tokens

Edit: The last circus scoring happens once the game has ended (there is no active player), no messages can be received.

Edit 2: The last circus scoring happens once the game has ended, robbers should have no effect.
« Last Edit: May 01, 2020, 05:14:26 AM by Meepledrone »

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2020, 08:54:52 AM »
"MESSAGES (after circus scoring)". At the end of the game, the circus is not scored during a turn.

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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2020, 12:16:26 PM »
My bad. You are right. There is no active player at that moment so no messages can be received.

Correction right away to remove the unnecessary action!

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« Last Edit: April 08, 2020, 01:20:36 PM by Meepledrone »

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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2020, 01:37:30 PM »
But the robber can rob at the end of the game circus points?

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« Reply #25 on: April 08, 2020, 01:47:01 PM »
Is it possible to join Rebuing meeple from bathouse and buing back prisoner to the same step?

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« Reply #26 on: April 08, 2020, 05:45:23 PM »
But the robber can rob at the end of the game circus points?

When I removed MESSAGES from Preparing for final scoring, I started to remove ROBBERS but then stopped as I wanted to think it through and not follow my first impulse.

The more I ponder it, the more I think ROBBERS should be removed from Preparing for final scoring too. These transition actions are not part of the game so any normal mechanics from the game should stay behind. The big top scoring is sitting on the border but its last scoring is not happening during a normal turn, so it should be scored without robbers (the same as without messages).

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« Reply #27 on: April 08, 2020, 06:49:41 PM »
Is it possible to join Rebuing meeple from bathouse and buing back prisoner to the same step?

As per the rules, you may buy back a meeple from a bathhouse at the very beginning of 2. Placing a Meeple so you can place it right away in the same turn.

Regarding ransoming a captured meeple, the rules do not state a specific moment. And even the official clarifications state that you can only buy back a captured meeple once during your turn (this could happened at any time), even if it is double turn. The only thing is that if you do it before placing any other meeple, you can place your recovered meeple right away during the same normal or double turn. You may need to wait until you score to buy back a meeple because you cannot have negative points as a result of paying ransom for your meeple.

So putting the captured meeple buy-back along with the meeple buy-back from a bathhouse would limit the flexibility granted to the former. The wording is very explicit in The Barer-Surgeons and whereas it is not that precise in The Tower.

You can revisit the rules here:
* The captured meeple buy back: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower#2._Placing_a_meeple_or_a_tower_floor
* The meeple buy-back form a bathhouse: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Barber-Surgeons#2._Buy_your_meeple_back

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« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2020, 10:38:44 AM »
I was thinking about order of play when I was in the selector and I guess it could use the abbot in others for CII

Could you useful for some sequences between expansions
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« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2020, 04:45:33 PM »
The selector shows the expansions by release date except for a few cases.

Can you give an example? Didn't understand your second sentence.


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