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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #105 on: December 29, 2020, 02:17:32 PM »
Hi,

A note on the interaction of wagon and bathhouses is missing on Barber-surgeons and on exp. 5 pages.


Situation 1
If a feature containing only a wagon is closed and there is at least one free bathhouse :
  • Bathhouse action first, wagon second but blocked: The wagon moves to a free bathhouse and is stuck there (the correct answer according to my understanding of the rules)
  • Wagon action first, bathhouse second: The wagon may move to an adjacent feature and if he does so, he doesn't go to a free bathhouse as he's not on the closed feature anymore (seems odd)
  • Bathhouse action first, wagon second: The wagon moves to a free bathhouse and can then move to a feature adjacent to the bathhouse  :)) (seems very odd!)


Situation 2
And also... When a bathhouse containing a wagon is completed, can the wagon be placed to an adjacent feature?
I guess no as the rule says
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the Meeple placed in the bathhouse can be taken back immediately and for free

A note on WICA about both those situations would be nice  ;)
« Last Edit: December 29, 2020, 02:21:18 PM by corinthiens13, Reason: Added 2nd situation »
Order of play in french with every major expansions, mini expansions and promo tiles :
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=346

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #106 on: December 29, 2020, 05:29:21 PM »
Hi,

A note on the interaction of wagon and bathhouses is missing on Barber-surgeons and on exp. 5 pages.


Situation 1
If a feature containing only a wagon is closed and there is at least one free bathhouse :
  • Bathhouse action first, wagon second but blocked: The wagon moves to a free bathhouse and is stuck there (the correct answer according to my understanding of the rules)
  • Wagon action first, bathhouse second: The wagon may move to an adjacent feature and if he does so, he doesn't go to a free bathhouse as he's not on the closed feature anymore (seems odd)
  • Bathhouse action first, wagon second: The wagon moves to a free bathhouse and can then move to a feature adjacent to the bathhouse  :)) (seems very odd!)

In general terms, checking if a meeple has to be trapped in a bathhouse should happen first, otherwise you remove the meeple as usual. However for wagons, removing the meeple after scoring may be traded for moving the wagon to another feature, if possible.

The second option, deciding to send a wagon to a bathhouse if it cannot be moved, seems odd, as you mention. Trapping a meeple is unconditional for one-meeple scorings, there is no way to escape from it unless there are no free bathhouse. However, moving the wagon is an alternative (when possible) to returning it to its owner's supply.

The third option would not make sense either. If your wagon is trapped, it cannot move.

The first option is the one considered in the Order of Play (select Exp. 5 and Baber-Surgeons and check step 3B):
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play

Situation 2
And also... When a bathhouse containing a wagon is completed, can the wagon be placed to an adjacent feature?
I guess no as the rule says
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the Meeple placed in the bathhouse can be taken back immediately and for free

A note on WICA about both those situations would be nice  ;)

When a meeple trapped in a bathhouse is freed (the batthouse is surrounded in 1. Placing a tile or you bought back the meeple in 2. Placing  a meeple, Step 2A) it goes straight to your supply, even the wagon (there is no feature scoring involved here, as required by the wagon to move). Then you can place it in 2. Placing  a meeple, Step 2B-1.

Scenario 1 may use a clarification in The Barber Surgeons. Scenario 2 is just applying the rules, so maybe a clarification wouldn't be necessary.
Questions about rules? Check WICA: www.wikicarpedia.com

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #107 on: December 29, 2020, 06:06:54 PM »
On short, which is the correct option? 1, 2 or 3?

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #108 on: December 29, 2020, 06:12:49 PM »
For Situation 1? The first one. The action sequence would be as follows:
1. If meeple has to be trapped in bathhouse, do so
2. If not, if it is a wagon and can be moved, decide if you want to do so
3. Otherwise, return meeple to owner
« Last Edit: December 29, 2020, 06:15:03 PM by Meepledrone »

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #109 on: December 29, 2020, 09:55:08 PM »
Scenario 1 may use a clarification in The Barber Surgeons. Scenario 2 is just applying the rules, so maybe a clarification wouldn't be necessary.

Agreed, thanks  ;)

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #110 on: January 11, 2021, 06:42:50 AM »
Ok. I found some glitch.
When opening for example Scoring during turn sequence. I select mine expansion. When going back, and again to this page, selection is stored and all mine (requested) expansions are checked. When going to Order of play, selection is used from previous page.

But when opening page in another tab, selection is lost.

It's pitty, when wanted to open Scoring during turn sequence and Order of play in two tabs, I have to select all expansions. because in second tab, selection is lost ;-(

Also when going to page again in different tab (means next day after closing browser).
Before, selection was stored in cookies I guesss, and it was easy to check without select all of expansions. Currently need's to go to Filter, swtich also C1 version, go to First / Second and third tab to select all expansions.

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #111 on: January 11, 2021, 06:58:36 AM »
Please try now!

The pages with the Game Reference, Order of Play and Scoring summaries are using cookies again...  ;)

The Tile Reference use too much information to be stored in cookies, so it will continue to use local storage.

It seems Local Storage has a more compartmentalized behavior than cookies.
« Last Edit: January 11, 2021, 07:37:28 AM by Meepledrone »

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #112 on: January 11, 2021, 08:07:41 AM »
Cool. It works as expected ;D
And it share it also in Game figures.
Great.

Selection for Tile reference uses different selections based on versions of expansions and it's dificult to shere selection there.

Thank you for quick response.

I was printing to PDF offline version of game sequences because of new expansions and new rules and I was confusing, that It was working before! ;-D

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Re: WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here
« Reply #113 on: January 11, 2021, 08:16:35 AM »
Thanks!

Yep! The Game Reference shares the same selector, based on expansion rulesets and components.

Luckily, I left everything prepared to easily switch between both behaviors as required...  ;)


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