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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2019, 02:31:54 AM »
Hi,

File has finally been updated to ver 3.0. I checked the whole document, corrected some things according to your comments, and updated layout and presentation.

Here are some more comments  :)
Order of play in french with every major expansions, mini expansions and promo tiles :
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?action=downloads;sa=view;down=346

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2019, 02:54:42 AM »
Cool!!!

I'll check it all out this evening.  ;D

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #17 on: June 21, 2019, 02:22:25 PM »
Hi,

Awesome work! I just included a comment regarding Markets of Leipzig...

I think we are done... for the time being until the next expansion or clarification (if any) is released.

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« Reply #18 on: June 22, 2019, 12:44:37 AM »
Hi,

File has been updated to final version for now. I corrected the Market of Leipzig issue according to the new WICA correction.

Thanks a lot for your help !

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #19 on: June 22, 2019, 01:11:39 AM »
Hi corinthiens13,

It's been very interesting to work with you.

+1 merit from me for such a great job!

One last thing: I just noticed you just included the Wheel of Fortune scoring in "Etape 2" bullet 6 but not in chapter "Points durant la partie." Is this on purpose?

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« Reply #20 on: June 22, 2019, 02:20:34 AM »
Thanks,

Yes this was on purpose, for points related to "multiple choice actions" (messages and wheel of fortune), I included the points and description directly in the order of play.

I added a link to messages and WoF in the points during the game though (without updating file version).

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #21 on: June 23, 2019, 12:45:54 PM »
OK. Great!

Next steps?  ;)

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« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2019, 11:53:19 PM »
Hi everyone,

File has been updated to ver 3.4 :
 - Quality of pictures improved
 - Changed CI pictures to CII pictures when available
 - Few other improvements, rules haven't been modified

Have fun at playing !

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #23 on: July 16, 2019, 12:55:02 PM »
Hi there corinthiens13!

"Long" time no talk. Keep up with the great work!

I reviewed the images and would like to comment a few minor issues:
* Page 12 - Festival: There is a festival symbol for C2 (Please check: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival). The entry displays the C1 version.
* Page 19 - Ville / Cathédrale(s): It displays a C1 cathedral
* Page 19 - Route / + Auberge(s): It displays a C1 inn
* Page 22 - Ville / Cathédrale(s): It displays a C1 cathedral
* Page 23 - Route / + Auberge(s): It displays a C1 inn

Some additional comments on the expansion symbols on page 3 just in case you want to point it out differences between C1 and C2. If you just included them as visual aid, just ignore the following comments:
 
* La rivière: It has only an expansion symbol in the Big Box 5 version
* La rivière II: It may have no symbol for C1
* Hérétiques et autels: It may have no symbol for C1
* Cathares / siège / assiégeants: The symbol shown belongs to Assiégeants (Besiegers). Cathares (Cathars) show a monk symbol and Siège (Siege) has no symbol.
* Le festival: It has different symbols for C1 and C2
* Castles in Germany: iIt has different symbols for C1 and C2

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« Reply #24 on: July 18, 2019, 10:06:13 AM »
Thanks, file updated to ver 3.5. The expansion symbols were added mainly as a visual aid, but I added a second symbol for expansions having different symbols.

By the way, the new edition count, king and robber Wica page ( http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber#3._Scoring_a_feature_-_Moving_meeples_from_Carcassonne ) has the wrong picture for "From the cathedral to a monastery or shrine.". The correct picture can be found in the unused files ( http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Special:UnusedFiles&limit=500&offset=0 )

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #25 on: July 18, 2019, 10:52:51 AM »
I'll have a look. But I know it is going to be awesome!!!

I think your effort deserves a +1 merit.


Thank you so much for spotting the error and letting me know. Correction done.

By the way, would you like to participate in the translation of WICA into French?  ;D

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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2019, 08:05:11 AM »
Hi,

Thanks for the merit, I gave you one too for your reviewing.

I can't guarantee I'll spend a lot of time to translate WICA, but I may contribute a little bit  ;)

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #27 on: July 21, 2019, 11:38:42 AM »
Thank you, corinthiens13!

It was my pleasure giving you a hand. The review also helped me validate the Game Reference and Order of Play in WICA. So it was a win-win.

I saw you already have 75 downloads of the Order of Play in French, so if want to add some more information to French-speaking players through WICA, just let me know. Even if it is just one page, it will be a step forward for everyone.  ;D

Cheers!

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« Reply #28 on: July 23, 2019, 10:08:36 AM »
Hi again,

I realised I'm not sure about the "place a tile" actions order (pages 10-11): do we have any clue if princess, mage and witch, Solovei Razboynik and Vodyanoy actions have to be played before or after moving the dragon ?

And also for "Étape 5 : Actions" (page 13), should we send meeples to Solovei Razboynik before or after (or both) moving a ferry, and before or after the fruit bearing tree action ?

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Re: Order of play in french
« Reply #29 on: July 23, 2019, 03:18:20 PM »
Hi again,

I realised I'm not sure about the "place a tile" actions order (pages 10-11): do we have any clue if princess, mage and witch, Solovei Razboynik and Vodyanoy actions have to be played before or after moving the dragon ?

Hi corinthiens13!

In C2, the dragon movement is the last action after drawing and placing a tile. It will happen right before the Move Wood phase. The C2 rules represent it as phase 1b. The Dragon Moves, that would happen between 1. Placing a tile and 2. Placing a Meeple. So all actions associated to tiles will happen before the dragon moves.

In C1, as per HiG and ZMG, the dragon moves after the Move Wood phase and before scoring, that is between 2. Placing a Meeple and 3. Scoring a feature.

On the other hand, RGG mistranslated the C1 German rules and placed the dragon movement after scoring, that is after 3. Scoring a feature. This is noticeable in the RGG version of Big Box 3 where the written rules state the dragon moves after scoring but the Order of Play diagram at the end of the manual (the same as the HiG original) places the dragon movement between 2. Placing a Meeple and 3. Scoring a feature. Funny, huh?
 

And also for "Étape 5 : Actions" (page 13), should we send meeples to Solovei Razboynik before or after (or both) moving a ferry, and before or after the fruit bearing tree action ?

Cheers

There is no official rules or clarifications about the interactions of these three min expansions, so the interpretation of the rules is all we have. So there is no official ruling about how the sequence the actions related to Ferries (2012), Solovei Razboynik (2016) and Fruit-bearing Trees (2018) should happen. Additionally, HiG has included a disclaimer in the rules of the latest mini expansions declining any clarifications on their behalf.

All this said, the rule of thumb I followed for the Order of Play is:
* Respect any partial turn of sequence provided in rules (I extended this to scoring sequence as well)
* If the order of actions is not irrelevant (like in this case), order them by release date (first released, first served)

So we have two blocks of actions here, that will be handled in this sequence:
1. Ferries and their interaction with Solovei Razboynik
2. Fruit-bearing Trees



About the sequence

The rules for The Ferries describe the turn sequence as:

1. Placing Tile --> 2. Placing a Meeple --> 3. Placing a Ferry --> 4. Moving a Ferry --> 5. Scoring a Feature

So, why not keeping these actions back to back and adding and incorporating any additional actions such as  Fruit-bearing Trees actions after action 4?

The Fruit-bearing Trees actions will happen then at that point before scoring, as a result of this line of thought and considering "the first released, first served" rule.



About the interaction of ferries and Solovei Razboynik

The idea here is that lake (ferry) tiles will comply with Solovei Razboynik rules regarding meeple trapping right after placing the tile during 1. Placing a Tile as any other tile, but they will also provide more scenarios for trapping meeples such as when connecting roads through:
  a. placing the ferry on the lake 
  b. moving the ferry
These two scenarios will happen during 2. Placing a Meeple, and they are not explicitly mentioned in the Solovei Razboynik rules, for example, but can be distilled from the Solovei Razboynik rules:

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If followers occupy a road that goes through the Solovei Razboynik tile (or they occupy roads that are connected to that tile later on in the game), players must move them onto the tile.

Therefore, the Solovei Razboynik tile will trap meeples located on a road connected to its roads segments. This may happen when:
* Placing the Solovei Razboynik tile next to roads containing ferries or not.
* When connecting roads to the Solovei Razboynik tile by tile placement or by moving ferries



Hope this helps.

Cheers!

PS: As a result of your question, I have applied the following updates to WICA:

* Russian Promos: Added a clarification on the interaction of Solovei Razboynik with ferries and tunnels.
    - Page: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Russian_Promos_(1st_edition):

* Order of Play: Added explicit actions on the interaction of Solovei Razboynik with ferries and tunnels.
    - Page for C1: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition)
    - Page for C2: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play
    - Page for WE: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play
   


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