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Expansion 8, Scoring the Castle token
« on: August 28, 2018, 11:11:21 PM »
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Do the following features trigger (or are included in) a castle scoring?

A completed garden (9pts)?

The Labyrinth (including the 2 points for each meeple)?

Markets of Leipzig (The bonus points from the wainwrights/coiners/bookbinders)?

Cathedrals in Germany
  Bonus points for scoring a closed road?
  Scoring the Cathedral?

Castles in Germany
  Completing the Castle (12 pts)?
  The 3 bonus points for completing a road/city?

Little Buildings
  The bonus points from the towers/houses/sheds?

The 3 point Fairy bonus
  The Fairy is on the feature being scored?
  The Fairy is in the Castle (the CAR says Fairy can't be in the Castle, but E8 Bridges, Castles, & Bazaars -2018 Edition- says yes)?

Ringmaster bonus points (2 points per acrobat or circus tile)
  Any Ringmaster is on the feature being scored?
  Your Ringmaster is in the Castle?

The Watchtower's bonus points?

Thank-you for your input..



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Re: Expansion 8, Scoring the Castle token
« Reply #1 on: August 30, 2018, 10:40:12 PM »
I think this comes down to:

Do the German Cathedrals or German Castles or Garden count as scoring a feature for the Castle token?

Which bonus points does the Castle receive?
  Cathedral, Inn, Mage, Witch - Yes
  Fairy?  Ringmaster?  (On the feature or on the Castle token or both or neither)???
  The Watch Tower bonus points - (no?)?
  The Little Buildings (yes?)?
  Bonus points from G. Cathedral or G. Castle (yes)?
  Markets of Leipzig?  (Yes?)?
  The meeple bonus from the Labyrinth (Yes?)?

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Re: Expansion 8, Scoring the Castle token
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2018, 08:12:23 AM »
I am also curious about the 'little buildings' and the castle. A castle must count if there is a first project finished, do you count the little buiding around the first finished project? Or will it only be the little buildings counted around the castle?

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Re: Expansion 8, Scoring the Castle token
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2018, 03:12:51 PM »
I think this comes down to:

Do the German Cathedrals or German Castles or Garden count as scoring a feature for the Castle token?

Which bonus points does the Castle receive?
  Cathedral, Inn, Mage, Witch - Yes
  Fairy?  Ringmaster?  (On the feature or on the Castle token or both or neither)???
  The Watch Tower bonus points - (no?)?
  The Little Buildings (yes?)?
  Bonus points from G. Cathedral or G. Castle (yes)?
  Markets of Leipzig?  (Yes?)?
  The meeple bonus from the Labyrinth (Yes?)?


The castle will get the points scored by a feature with all its "scoring modifiers" applied:
  • Roads, with modifiers: Inns, Mage/Witch, Little Buildings, Markets of Leipzig, Labyrinths, G.Cathedrals, G.Castles, Bathhouses.
  • Cities, with modifiers: Cathedral, Mage/Witch, Little Buildings, Markets of Leipzig, G.Castles, Bathhouse, Cathars/Siege/Besiegers, Darmstatdtium.
  • Monasteries and their variations (Shrines/Abbeys/G. monasteries with a monk/Darmstatdt churches) if the feature tile is in the castle area of influence or fief (6 tiles around it), with modifiers: Vineyards, Challenges, Little Buildings, Markets of Leipzig.
Additionally, these features are also considered by extension when completed, but no official clarification exists about it:
  • G. Cathedrals, with modifiers: Inns (when the G. cathedral is in the fief.)
  • G. Castles (when the tile is partially or totally included in the fief.)
  • Gardens (when the garden tile is in the fief). However, this feature is omitted in the C2 rules of BC&B ( Expansion 8 ) when discussing C2 features considered for castle scoring, so this is an open question.
When placed on a feature, the Fairy, the Ringmaster and the Watchtowers are associated to a meeple (not necessarily having the majority) and not to the feature, so they are not to be taken into consideration for the castle.

On the other hand, when talking about the castle itself:
  • A Fairy cannot be placed on a castle as it is not located on a single tile.
  • A Ringmaster can be placed on a castle but no clarification is provided regarding its scoring when the castle is completed: as the ringmaster is not a single tile, the 9-tile scoring area cannot be considered (a house rule could dictate that the 6-tile fief is to be considered instead).
  • Watchtowers do not apply to castles.
Check the scoring info and evaluation order on the WICA Game Reference (go to the "Quick Selectors" tab and click the "Select All" button to show all the expansions combined in the Order of Play and Scoring sections on the same page):

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Game_Reference&edition=C2

More information on the rules and clarifications can be found here, of course;

http://wikicarpedia.com/

Hope this helps.
« Last Edit: November 22, 2018, 10:41:01 PM by Meepledrone »

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Re: Expansion 8, Scoring the Castle token
« Reply #4 on: May 03, 2019, 11:47:32 AM »
On the other hand, when talking about the castle itself:
  • A Fairy cannot be placed on a castle as it is not located on a single tile.

This was true for C1 (Big Box 3 allowed it but in later clarifications it was forbidden) but C2 permits it since the BC&B rules include a clarification that explicitly allows you to deploy the Fairy next to a meeple placed on a castle. It won't provide any additional protection (unneeded for a castle) but fairy points.


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