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Offline Leven

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Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« on: January 22, 2018, 02:59:20 AM »
Do you know if there are any differences between the various editions of the (old-style) 6th expansion (Count, King & Robber) regarding the colour shades on the tiles? My copy has significantly darker colours, both the fields and the cities have much more saturation than the tiles of the basegame (and other big expansions).

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2018, 06:31:07 AM »
I have not heard of this, but based on your experience there must have been some variation. My Expansion 6 tiles are pretty consistent with my other Exp 3 through 9 tiles. My original base game and expansions 1 & 2 are darker (what I now call "medium green"), since they are all pre-2004. (I still prefer that original 2000-2003 grass. Nothing since then has looked as good.)

Do your Exp 6 tiles look like my original base game? Or are they more like the monasteries & cathedrals?

Here is a collage of my base & expansion tile scans for reference.

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2018, 07:45:09 AM »
My Zman Count, King, and Robber matches my base game perfectly.  My Bridges, Castles, and Bazaar's are a bit lighter.

The Cult tiles from CKR are lighter than the ones that came in the Spielbox promo.   All of the above are lighter than the German monasteries, so I have at least 4 shades of old art green. 

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2018, 10:08:38 AM »
For whatever it's worth, I mentally separate my tiles into three printing variations of lightness/saturation, which for simplicity I call Medium, Light, and Dark. Things are probably more complex than that, really, since the "light" tiles seem to have more yellow in them. But anyway, below is how the printing history looks to me based on the tiles I've gathered between 2000/2001 and 2017.



"Medium": In the early years, everything looked nice and consistent up through about 2004.
  • 2000 — Carcassonne
  • 2001 — The River
  • 2002 — Inns & Cathedrals
  • 2003 — Traders & Builders
  • 2003 — King & Scout / King & Robber Baron
  • 2004 — The Count of Carcassonne
  • 2004 — The Cathars (presumed; online images seem to confirm this, but I do not own these tiles)
"Light": Around 2005, things took a turn for the lighter and yellower, and this seems to be the "final intended standard" for classic Carcassonne. Subsequent printings of the earlier sets listed above would use the lighter/yellower style, along with new sets. (EDIT: I had thought all the Big Boxes were like this, too, but others have mentioned that Big Box 4 was darker.)
  • 2005 — The Princess & the Dragon
  • 2005 — The River II
  • 2006 — The Tower
  • 2006 — The Mini Expansion (a.k.a. Games Quarterly #11)
  • 2007 — Abbey & Mayor
  • 2008 — Count, King & Robber / The Cult Site / The Shrine (but see below)
  • 2008 — Cult, Siege & Creativity
  • 2008 — Catapult
  • 2009 — The Tunnel
  • 2009 — Wheel of Fortune
  • 2010 — Bridges, Castles, and Bazaars (presumed; I don't own the standalone game)
  • 2010 — The Crop Circles (I) (presumed; I don't own this)
  • 2011 — The School
  • 2011 — The Festival (version packed with the Jubilee edition; see Cundco version below)
  • 2012 — The Flying Machines, The Messengers, The Ferries, The Gold Mines, Mage and Witch, The Robbers, The Crop Circles (II)
  • 2013 — Wind Roses II (Spielbox)
  • 2013 — The Besiegers
  • 2014 — Hills & Sheep
  • 2014 — Halflings I (Spielbox), Halflings II (Cundco)
  • 2014 — Darmstadt (presumed; I don't own this)
  • 2014 — Carcassonne Starttableau (The City of Carcassonne as a single piece)
"Dark": Then, for some inexplicable reason, tiles went dark again, and this time even darker than the original base game. There's a bit of overlap here in 2013/2014; I assume that is because things are not always released in the order they were printed, but there could be other reasons.
  • 2013? — The Festival (Cundco standalone version; see Jubilee-edition version above)
  • 2014 — German Monasteries
  • 2014 — Dutch & Belgian Monasteries
  • 2014 — Russian Promos I
  • 2016 — The Labyrinth (ironically, the C-II labyrinth is a much better match to the "light" C-I standard)
  • 2016 — German Cathedrals
  • 2016 — Russian Promos II
Then there are the anachronisms: tiles whose coloration does not match the period of time in which they were released.
  • 2008 — Count, King & Robber / The Cult Site / The Shrine — based on Leven's report (and my own shaky memory), some of these were too dark for the "light" period
  • 2010 — The Plague — best I can tell, these Spielbox tiles were the first "dark" tiles, way back in 2010
  • 2011 — The Festival — I have not scanned these for a real comparison, but they seem "medium" to me
  • 2012 — Wind Roses I (Cundco) — "medium" in the "light" period, and markedly different from the Spielbox version
  • 2012 — Big Box 4 — reportedly darker than all the other Big Boxes
  • 2015 — German Castles — lighter than the other promos from this period, and a perfect match to my "medium" 2000/2001 base game tiles
I welcome all feedback and additions/corrections to this list.
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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2018, 01:39:22 PM »
Here's a photo illustrating the colour difference.
I hope it's apparent that the tiles from CK&R are darker and much more saturated. In my collection this is the only (old artwork) big expansion with remarkable colour issue, so that's why I thought that there might be other editions with proper colours.
BTW, my copy is from 2011. (According to BGG, it's the German 2nd edition.)
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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2018, 02:31:39 PM »
"Count, King & Robber" was the very first expansion I separately bought, and I was a bit surprised, and not very pleased, at first glance, that the tiles were much lighter then the ones, I owned before. But that's because I started my Carcassonne with Big Box 5, which has a tone more suitable to the Plaque tiles (and probably depicted German Cathedrals?) then anything else. So I did not noticed CK&R to be significant darker then other expansion, but this might be also, because the Base Game (and I&C, T&B, Minis) will always stand out.

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2018, 03:19:20 PM »
Honestly I would be very happy if my tiles looked as consistent as yours do. My patchwork has at least 4 different grasses (I think I see 5 or 6)...

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2018, 12:36:16 AM »
My garden has 5 shades of grass in it  :(y)

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2018, 01:05:33 AM »
"Count, King & Robber" was the very first expansion I separately bought, and I was a bit surprised, and not very pleased, at first glance, that the tiles were much lighter then the ones, I owned before. But that's because I started my Carcassonne with Big Box 5, which has a tone more suitable to the Plaque tiles (and probably depicted German Cathedrals?) then anything else. So I did not noticed CK&R to be significant darker then other expansion, but this might be also, because the Base Game (and I&C, T&B, Minis) will always stand out.
I have the Wheel of Fortune and River III tiles from the Big Box 5, and they don't seem to be that dark.
Hounk, may I ask you which edition of the 6th expansion do you own? When did you buy it?

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2018, 01:10:58 AM »
"Count, King & Robber" was the very first expansion I separately bought, and I was a bit surprised, and not very pleased, at first glance, that the tiles were much lighter then the ones, I owned before. But that's because I started my Carcassonne with Big Box 5, which has a tone more suitable to the Plaque tiles (and probably depicted German Cathedrals?) then anything else. So I did not noticed CK&R to be significant darker then other expansion, but this might be also, because the Base Game (and I&C, T&B, Minis) will always stand out.
I have the Wheel of Fortune and River III tiles from the Big Box 5, and they don't seem to be that dark.
Hounk, may I ask you which edition of the 6th expansion do you own? When did you buy it?

He meant Big Box 4.

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Re: Dark colours of the 6th expansion
« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2018, 01:41:45 AM »
Yes, I did. (And it was really a typo, not mixing things up.)

I bought my C,K&R about end of year 2014/15 or 2015/16, but I think the purpose, why it seems so light is, that BB4 is really dark. (Also the tiles are not as thick, sadly, because otherwise it was a great "starter pack".)
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