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How well does The Tower and The Flying Machines play together?

They are an excellent pair.
They seem to work well most of the time.
It really depends...
They don't seem to work well together.
They don't cooperate at all!
They don't appear to interact in any significant way.

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The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« on: September 25, 2015, 03:56:34 PM »
Element Match-Ups is a new series of weekly challenges for all members of CarcassonneCentral. Each week, an element from a large expansion will be matched up with an element from a small expansion. Your job: try it out and let everybody know what you think about the pair. Consider this a quasi-scientific survey in that you are only playing with these two elements and the base game — nothing else! Otherwise the results will be skewed. You have a week to try the match-up from the time the match is announced until the next match is announced (which usually occurs sometime between Friday and Saturday, depending on time zone).

This week our elements are THE TOWER and THE FLYING MACHINES from Carcassonne Minis #1. The Tower, officially expansion #4, has been around for quite a long time yet I've always felt to be an undervalued expansion to the game. Granted it is harsh, but that's part of its allure. In contrast, The Flying Machines was the first of the Minis and grew in popularity as more expansions released that left spaces open on the board. Together, these elements may work excellently together...or maybe not. Let's find out!

The elements are set, the challenge is issued, and now it is for you to decide whether these elements work well together or are terrible companions. Summarise your experience below in however much detail you wish, and feel free to share any strategic advice you have for other players taking the challenge.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2015, 12:01:09 AM »
I think this is a great combination, and in fact I played a game with these two elements (and a couple more) with Dan just two days ago. In that game, the flying machines did not have much impact, partly because three of them were drawn very early in the game before the tower had a chance to do any damage.

I also remember playing this combination another time in real life and writing about it here, but now I can't find the post. I remember loving the combination but that was before I realised that the flying machines can't be used for farms. I think that's a nice house-rule to include when playing this combination, because it can potentially allow you to get your farmers deeper into the landscape away from towers, rather than placing them on the edge of the landscape where they can be picked off by towers.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2015, 12:05:10 AM »
I like both expansions. But the flier can't land on the top of a tower in the official rules.
If the flier lands on a tile next to a tower...the next player might place a new tower piece and the flier is captured by that player.
Ok perhaps you should play with a house rule which allows the flier to land on the top of a tower...
I never played this combination Tower and Flying Machins together yet, but it might be a nice chaotic game play.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2015, 12:39:53 AM »
Good thing to note. I was more thinking features made empty because a Tower captured the Follower, but I probably wouldn't have remembered that Fliers can't go to Towers (although they can go on the features on the same tile). Thanks for clarifying.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2015, 12:45:27 AM »
You don't need Flier to go to the top of the Tower. It is a legal move by itself, without using Flier.
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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2015, 03:54:19 AM »
You don't need Flier to go to the top of the Tower. It is a legal move by itself, without using Flier.
Huh. Good point. You can always add to a Tower or put a Guard atop one. So the flier is not required for that and the flier option is always...optional.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2015, 01:50:56 PM »
I think the Flyer is indeed a good addition for the tower because you can try to place followers on streets, cloisters and cities emptied by the tower.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2015, 02:26:29 PM »
I like Flyers with Princess and the Dragon and The Plague for the same reasons as the Tower.  I sometimes use the magic portals instead of The Flyers with the Tower and Plague as an alternative because it takes the luck of the dice out of the equation.
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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2015, 02:27:59 AM »
I remember loving the combination but that was before I realised that the flying machines can't be used for farms. I think that's a nice house-rule to include when playing this combination, because it can potentially allow you to get your farmers deeper into the landscape away from towers, rather than placing them on the edge of the landscape where they can be picked off by towers.
I wouldn't go for that. If I would house rule something, it would be rather, that you can't use a magic portal for farming. However, Flyers is even more powerful then the portal, because it is not restricted to unoccupied features. On the other hand, with the "have to place a meeple after using the Flyer, if possible" rule, this house rule might also make the element less interesting with other buildings, because the risk of trapping a meeple in an unwanted spot increases, if you include farms.

On a side note, this two elements can be played solely on JCZ. Maybe we take the opportunity to play a few rounds during this week.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2015, 04:05:27 PM »
So, we tried this combination out yesterday and were wholly disappointed with the entire relationship between the two elements. Three of the Fliers were pulled too early in the game for them to really be of any use. Two more were pulled but the die did not roll the results we were looking for – I ended up on a 1-tile Road and she rolled a hole. The final three tiles had their arrows arranged in such a way that we couldn't use them for anything worthwhile. In other words, the Fliers was a bust. The Towers, on the other hand, did a great job of getting the two of us thoroughly ticked off at each other. There ended up being one massive Farm that we kept passing back and forth until I finally nabbed it at the end (I was the first to claim it early in the game, so I felt vindicated). A few Cloisters were completed, a few decent-sized Cities scored, and we even had a 10-point Road. The benefit of the Towers is that players can often claim large features that were vacated because of a Tower capture. While Fliers should have been more helpful, our entire board was surrounded by open Roads and City edges, which made placing primarily FFFF tiles very difficult to accomplish.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2015, 09:19:58 AM »
In my experience, fliers are rarely useful. However, the constant threat of somebody using one to fly their mayor or large meeple directly into your city is always a worry throughout games that include them, even if the odds are stacked in your favour. One of my happiest memories using a flier tile in this way took place in one of our weekly games, and as I remember, MrNumbers wasn’t very happy about it... ;)

Obviously the dice brings an element of luck with it, but it isn’t uncommon that if the perfect spot exists you can be guaranteed to fly into a certain feature regardless of what number you role (especially if you’re also using bridges – these can really help you to find a good placement opportunity for your tile). This becomes easier as features grow too, which is a nice idea as it means that the more valuable a city becomes, the more vulnerable it is to attack from above!

The Tower changes the game enormously and is by far the most frustrating of all the expansions I play with. There’s nothing quite like being one tile away from completing a large city, then having it completed for you by your opponent, minus your knight of course. So whilst the Tower definitely leaves lots of features available, flying back into them is too difficult on account of a) getting the correct flight path and b) rolling the right number. Considering how damaging The Tower really is, I’d say that the Magic Portals from P & D are a better partner than the fliers.
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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2015, 01:14:28 PM »
Two more were pulled but the die did not roll the results we were looking for – I ended up on a 1-tile Road and she rolled a hole.
1-tile Road at that moment, or was your meeple trapped on that road, which was not extendable? And if it was the second case, could you retrieve your meeple through a tower piece? Maybe, there could be benefits of the combination in the other direction. Because you MUST place a meeple, if possible after the dice-roll, there is sometimes the risk, that you end up on an other building as the one, you initially wanted. And if you take a risk for a very promising target, this might end in a trapped meeple, you might want to sacrifice a tower piece for.

Another question: is anybody avaible right now, who would like to have a JCZ game with that combo? I'm in chat.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2015, 03:21:02 PM »
We had an interesting game - i dont think the flyers made much difference to the game at all.  towers as always made a fairly major difference.

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Re: The Tower & The Flying Machines: Element Match-Ups #2
« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2015, 11:40:07 PM »
I was quite lucky!


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