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Title: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Maj. Frost on November 02, 2018, 02:26:30 AM
Greetings from WICA team!
We have been working on WikiCarpedia for two months now, I decided it is good moment to post some update.
During those days we have been establishing many guidelines for WICA to be clear and consistent. We are in pretty constant communications on Slack channel. Supporting, advising and mocking each other.

http://www.wikicarpedia.com

Just a few notes:

As always we welcome any new editors/translators with open arms. Even you have no time for that, you can still help by simply using WICA and commenting with “Add comment” button that is on the bottom of each page. Also please spread the new among non-CarC friends.

Big thanks to Wolnic, Sinscerly, MeepleDrone and Decar for their participation and devotion to the project!

Any remarks are welcomed.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: totor66 on November 02, 2018, 04:02:20 AM
Looks like a fantastic job, thumbs up !  :(y)

I can't seem to evaluate the job it would take to translate it in FR, but I guess I would help if it comes to that

What would be the way to export to PDF ? I thought I would be clever enough to figure it out myself but ...
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Maj. Frost on November 02, 2018, 06:17:29 AM
Looks like a fantastic job, thumbs up !  :(y)

I can't seem to evaluate the job it would take to translate it in FR, but I guess I would help if it comes to that

What would be the way to export to PDF ? I thought I would be clever enough to figure it out myself but ...

Thank you. Saving to pdf single page is no problem. With simple printing tools that every browser has. The problems starts when you try to export many pages at once and add TOC with pages (and some other stuff).
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: aenima on November 02, 2018, 10:46:31 AM
Really a good work
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: cidervampire on November 03, 2018, 02:21:28 PM
Spotted an obscure expansion missing on the list, the winter scoreboard for 2nd edition!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on December 15, 2018, 03:40:58 PM
Spotted an obscure expansion missing on the list, the winter scoreboard for 2nd edition!

We've been discussing for weeks how to deal with this jewel. We'll keep you posted when we reach a conclusion  ;)

Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on December 15, 2018, 05:06:45 PM
Hi all,

I wanted to share with you one of the features you'll find at Wikicarpedia (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/ (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/)) and that we hope that will help you survive in the Carcassonne world so full of expansions: the Game Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference)).

It allows you to select expansions (fully or partially) from three editions of Carcassonne: the 1st Edition, the new Edition and the Winter Edition. Once you make your pick, the Game Reference sections update automatically so you get an adapted Carcassone Reference Guide to meet your needs. The Game Reference includes:
  • A Game Reference summary
  • A detailed description of the Preparation phase
  • A detailed description of the Final Scoring phase
  • A detailed description of the Order of Play to be used in several phases during the game: the River Rounds, the normal Game Rounds and the Extra Abbey Round
  • A detailed summary of the Scoring During the Game, applicable to the Order of Play rounds
  • A detailed summary of the Scoring After the Game, applicable to Final Scoring phase

Besides selecting expansions, you can also find other features such as:
  • Filtering out the expansions of a particular Carcassonne edition you may be not interested in.
  • Select expansions belonging to a particular Big Box, for example.
  • Clearing your selection or selecting all the visible expansions with just one click
  • Deciding what edition rules and graphics (if available) you want to see, that is, your preferred edition.
  • Highlighting all the rules that belong to other editions than the preferred one.
The Game Reference page relies on the Expansion Selector at the very top that is organized in several tabs:
  • "Expansions" tabs: The first three tabs from the left allow you to pick expansions in full or partially when possible:
    • Tab "Major expansions": lists all official major expansions by HiG.
    • Tab "Minor expansions": lists all official minor expansions by HiG and some of their licensed equivalents.
    • Tab "Other expansions": lists the rest of licensed expansions as well as some unofficial ones.[/li}
  • Tab "Quick Selectors": allows you to choose from a predefined list of available expansions sets.
  • Tab "Filters": allows you to choose what Carcassonne editions are displayed and your preferred edition. It also allows you to activate the highlighting feature.
  • Tab "?": provides a short user guide.
I invite to try it and share your comments. Thank you in advance.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Whaleyland on December 15, 2018, 11:49:58 PM
I'm not able to get the Game References selection to work. Everything just says "Transmogrifying...". I'm running Safari 12.0.2 (latest edition).

Also, the home page says "First Edition rules" but that isn't accurate. The First edition only refers to the original game and, specifically, the original rules for Farming. I am not sure if you have the original Farming rules anywhere (you definitely should, if not) but I'd use some other term than "First edition" to refer to the older art. Perhaps "First Generation", "Doris Mätthaus Edition", or "Mätthaus Art Edition"
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on December 16, 2018, 03:13:07 AM
I'm not able to get the Game References selection to work. Everything just says "Transmogrifying...". I'm running Safari 12.0.2 (latest edition).

I'm using Safari 10.1.2 on Mac. This is probably your browser cache that needs to be refreshed. Hold Shift while clicking Reload, or press either Ctrl-F5 or Ctrl-R (⌘-R on a Mac). Let me know if this woks for you.

Also, the home page says "First Edition rules" but that isn't accurate. The First edition only refers to the original game and, specifically, the original rules for Farming. I am not sure if you have the original Farming rules anywhere (you definitely should, if not) but I'd use some other term than "First edition" to refer to the older art. Perhaps "First Generation", "Doris Mätthaus Edition", or "Mätthaus Art Edition"

Good point! In the Carcassonne world, as you mentioned, the word "edition" has multiple meanings depending on the context:
This leaves a gap regarding how to refer to Carcassonne I, so to speak. We tried to avoid the term "Old Edition", in contrast to "New Edition", as we assumed that HiG could surprise us with a "New New Edition" some day. So we opted to refer to Carcassonne I as "First Edition", so the current "New Edition" could become "Second Edition" eventually, and so on and so forth.

For the same reasons, we avoided talking about "old artwork" and "new artwork", so we never have to face an "old new artwork" situation.

So this is the rationale behind the naming convention. In any case, I shared your remarks with the whole team to open a discussion.

Regarding the three editions of scoring rules, we haven't included them yet, but it will happen soon.

Thanks for your comments.

Cheers!

Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on December 16, 2018, 04:16:49 PM
Spotted an obscure expansion missing on the list, the winter scoreboard for 2nd edition!

Hi cidervampire,

I finally added this variant to the Wikicarpedia Variants page, completing the info and rewording a bit the rules too.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants

Thank you for your support and help.

Hope you enjoy it!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Maj. Frost on January 17, 2019, 03:16:45 AM
Short announcement

Up to this point I was the only one holding the keys  to WICA.

Today domain and hosting have been transferred to new home in GoDaddy cloud hosting. Access credentials will be hold by four of its admins.

This is to secure continuity of service in case of unexpected events.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on March 02, 2019, 05:18:41 PM
Hi all!!

The WICA reference pages have been updated for the the following Carcassonne editions: the old edition, the new edition and the Winter edition.

On the main page (http://wikicarpedia.com (http://wikicarpedia.com)) and the Winter Edition hub (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition)), you'll find new entries covering:
  • Game Reference: A description of the game structure organized in phases according to the expansion selected
  • Order of Play: A detailed description of the player's turn according to the selected expanions
  • Scoring During the Game: A summary of all features and events that can be scored during the game according to the selected expansions
  • Scoring After the Game: A summary of all features and events that can be scored at the end of the game according to the selected expansions
  • Game Figures: A detail summary covering all the figures according to the selected expansions
All these entries benefit from a Expansion Selector located at the top of each page. It allows you to select full expansions or just parts of them in order to configure the game reference pages according to your preferences and needs, even combining elements from different editions as required. Adaptations between editions can be highlighted as a visual aid.

Additionally, two more pages are available for the old edition:
  • Summary of Rule Sets & Changes
  • Scoring: A Historical Perspective
All your feedback is welcome.

More to come soon...

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on June 03, 2019, 12:00:17 PM
Hi all!

After a brief hiatus while collaborating with some noble members of this awesome forum, I stop by to introduce some new reference pages added to WICA recently.

For C1 only (source material from the CAR almost unchanged):

*
Scoring: A Historical Perspective (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring:_A_Historical_Perspective_(1st_edition))

For C1 & C2 (source material from the CAR for C1 extended and updated to cover C2):

*
Summary of Rule Sets and Changes (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes)
*
Mega-Carcassonne (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mega-Carcassonne)

All your comments are more than welcome. If I missed something, please let me know. Thank you so much in advance.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 28, 2019, 01:03:21 PM
Hi all,

Now WikiCarpedia (WICA) is featured on the CarcC front page. This easy access will allow you to access the rules for any expansion, updated with the latest clarifications. All the rules for Carcassonne I and Carcassonne II are available. More to come soon.

As a bonus, you can check the Quizzes page that will help you access various scoring quizzes to test your knowledge of the interactions of several expansions. Pay attention to the details. Will you be able to get the right answer on the first try?

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes)

Hope you enjoy it.

If you would have any ideas for additional for additional quizzes, please let me know. Thank you in advance.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on December 13, 2019, 06:01:31 PM
Hi all,

WikiCarpedia (WICA) was updated to include the most recent additions to Carcassonne from Essen 2019:

* The Spiel 19 tile (along with the previous Spiel tiles)

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Promos

* The Tollkeepers:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers)

* The new Carcassonne Maps rules and all the Map-Chips rules

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps)

Notes:

For the time being, both the German and English rules in PDF format available on Cundco.de contain several mistakes: mistranslations and mismatches between both languages, missing rules in English, errors in images in both versions,... A total delight!

The corresponding WICA pages provide a reviewed version of the text and corrects those images with errors, The text was reviewed in order to provide an align set of rules using the German version as a guideline, when possible, in case of mismatch.
 
I also sent HiG a 7-page document with comments covering the mistakes I found and a few clarification questions. As soon as they reply and/or provide updated rules on Cundco, I will update the Carcassonne Maps and Map-Chips pages accordingly.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on January 01, 2020, 05:57:43 AM
Hi all,

I have referenced all the questions of the Advent Calendar Quiz 2019 from the WICA Quizzes page, so you can directly access any question by number or expansions included. They are grouped in their own section for easier access.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes#Advent_Calendar_Quiz_2019 (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes#Advent_Calendar_Quiz_2019)

Feel free to test yourself or your friends  O0 

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on January 01, 2020, 09:17:33 AM
Hi all,

I just came across this post by Kettlefish:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3384.msg58360#msg58360 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3384.msg58360#msg58360)

So after reading...

In the BigBox6 we remembered HiG to put the Abbot into the first row, but forgot to put the Abbot also in the second row (with the flying machines). The Abbot can only land onto a monastery/cloister and onto a garden (CAR footnote 385, from 03/2015).

...I just updated the WICA Abbot page to reflect this comment. So no open issue anymore about why the abbot could not be a flier as per the Order of Play in Big Box 6.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot)

Hallelujah!!!  O0

PS: I was wondering why this last week a third of the WICA visitors consulted the Abbot page... Is it that exciting? Are the rules such a crap? If anyone has a clue, please let us know.  ;)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: totor66 on January 16, 2020, 05:42:15 AM
Hello dear development team:

I was wondering if there was a tile reference section available on the website ? I have a feeling I saw one once but I can't seem to find it back.

For CI or CII, I think it would help, it was available on the CAR to maybe make it easier to implement.


Bonus point:

Also a stupid question I was wondering: If we play with expansion dragons and expansion hills and sheep, what if dragon lands on a tile with a sheep painted like on River III for example ? If there is action gather flock, should we score point for the sheep ? That would seem counterintuitive since it should be eaten, but poor sheep is just painted on tile. I don't think it was ever discussed.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: wolnic on January 16, 2020, 06:22:03 AM
Hi totor66,

It is something that I started working on, but it is a little clumsy at the moment, and hasn't been updated for about a year.

meepledrone and I were discussing how we should develop it further, mainly in terms of whether it was possible/sensible to code it so that you could select individual sets of features from across some, or all, of the different expansions - such as "show me all tiles with cloisters, or trade tokens" - rather than just by individual expansions. This is something we know we have to get back to.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on January 17, 2020, 09:56:04 AM
My internal discussion regarding goes like this:

The current Expansion Selector falls short as we need:

1. The base game should be an additional option
2. Each expansion should allow you to select its tiles in full or by groups (normally associated to a primary feature). For example:
     * I&C (18):
         a) Inns (6)
         b) Cathedrals (2)
         c) Rest (10)
      * T&B (24):
         a) Trade Goods (20)
         b) Rest (4)
      ...
      * H&S (18)
         a) Hills (8 )
         b) Vineyards (8 )
         c) Rest (2)
3. It is also necessary a second level of filtering related to secondary features available in many tiles: pennants/coat of arms, monasteries, C1 farmhouses, C2 gardens, C2 highwaymen, C2 sheds (various types), C2 farmhouses, C2 water towers,...
4. There are primary features that work as secondary (tie-in) features in some other expansions: pig-herds/pigsties, volcanoes, inns,...

So I have to make up my mind about how the selector has to be organized to avoid redundancies and also if it should be compatible (and add-on) or a separate one of the existing one...

Any comments are welcome...  ;) 
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on January 25, 2020, 04:02:37 PM
Hi all,

WikiCarpedia (WICA) was updated to include the most recent additions to Carcassonne from Essen 2019:

* The Spiel 19 tile (along with the previous Spiel tiles)

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Promos

* The Tollkeepers:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers)

* The new Carcassonne Maps rules and all the Map-Chips rules

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps)

Notes:

For the time being, both the German and English rules in PDF format available on Cundco.de contain several mistakes: mistranslations and mismatches between both languages, missing rules in English, errors in images in both versions,... A total delight!

The corresponding WICA pages provide a reviewed version of the text and corrects those images with errors, The text was reviewed in order to provide an align set of rules using the German version as a guideline, when possible, in case of mismatch.
 
I also sent HiG a 7-page document with comments covering the mistakes I found and a few clarification questions. As soon as they reply and/or provide updated rules on Cundco, I will update the Carcassonne Maps and Map-Chips pages accordingly.

Cheers!

Hi all,

I had three interactions already with HiG and I just reported two final typos and some comments on the Selling Wine action for Carcassonne  Maps - France.

You may have noticed that the Carcassonne Maps rules on Cundco.de were updated several times as a result of this process on Jan 14th 2020, Jan 23rd 2020 and Jan 24th 2020. Hope the final version is released this week.

The process has covered typos, wording issues and several major issues such as:
* Inconsistencies between the German and the English rules:
   - Same actions assigned to different phases
   - Discrepancies in the scoring rules 
   - Missing sentences and paragraphs in the English rules
* Error in some example images

As a result:
* Some clarifications only present in the German rules have been also included in the English rules.
* The paragraph describing Large Cities has been restored.
* The Map-Chip placement rules have been revised (France, Benelux, Iberian Peninsula and Germany).
* The action to sell wine has been placed in the same phase in both languages (France).
* The action to get meeples back from the Isle of Man has been corrected (British Isles).
* The scoring of treats collected has been reviewed and aligned (Iberian Peninsula).
* The meeple upgrade action has been placed in the same phase in both languages (Germany).
* The updated rules use "coat of arms" instead of "emblem," so the English rules by HiG are closer to ZMG.
* The ambiguous use of "town" to refer to small town and city segments on the border is removed.

You'll find all these updates already in WICA.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps)

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on January 26, 2020, 12:32:16 AM
Hi all,

I just moved this topic to the "Official Rules" board and made it sticky so it appears at the top section.

I also created another sticky topic called "WikiCarpedia: request corrections or submit suggestions here" so you can find a centralized place for your suggestions and requests for WICA. Your feedback and comments are also welcome. Here is the link just in case:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.0)

Thank you wolnic for suggesting this after a conversation with cicerunner and thank you everyone for helping us improve WICA.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on January 26, 2020, 04:57:05 AM
The Ferries for C2 has been updated to clarify the rules involving the placement and repositioning of ferries. The ZMG rules are confusing at times so the version incorporates some additional information found in the German BB6 rules.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries)

An additional footnote in C1 has been added:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries_(1st_edition)#cite_note-2 (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries_(1st_edition)#cite_note-2)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on February 15, 2020, 08:56:06 AM
Hi all,

The Toolkeepers page has been updated to correct some issues with the scoring examples I notified HiG on January 9th 2020 (more detailed
here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4412.msg66328#msg66328)).

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers)

Cheers!

Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on February 15, 2020, 09:37:00 AM
Hi again,

I just added page "Selected Rules Variants" in the "Others" section on the WICA home page:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Selected_Rules_Variants (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Selected_Rules_Variants)

The source material came from the CAR v7.4.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on February 29, 2020, 12:43:40 AM
Hello people!!!

I've recently revisited the following topics:
1. The scoring events that may happen during the placement of the River
2. The dragon movement
3. The rounds of scoring for Mini #2 - The Messages.

As a result I have updated a few parts of WICA covering these topics:

1. Scoring events while placing the river

During the river placement, some expansions may allow you to score points. So far I had considered the fair 1-point bonus, but you can also receive points from:
* Performing a "Guide flock the stable " action: you place a shepherd and you score the flock on a later turn after extending a field by the river
* Scoring an abbot placed on a monastery or garden by the river.

This update affected the C1/C2/WE Game Reference page:
* C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition))
* C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference)
* WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference)

2. The dragon movement

I revisited the dragon movement for C2 and find out the English rules were misinterpreted, so the official rules by HiG did not change between C1 and C2. The dragon moves after 2. Placing a Meeple. As a result, I updated, and improved in some cases, the pages affected.

* C2 The Princess & the Dragon: Reworked the section dealing wth the volcano and the dragon tiles. Rearranged the info there and added the missing phases to make clear the turn sequence. Also improved the tables with the dragon's menu and the dragon's diet to group entries by type: meeples, special figures, neutral figures, tiles & tokens.
* Summary of Rule Sets and Changes: Updated the dragon movement entry and added clarifications on the misinterpretation of the rules.
* C1/C2/WE Order of Play: Created separate boxes to cover the dragon movement, corrected the logic to remove the dragon movement after 1. Placing a Tile for C2 originated from the aforementioned misinterpretation.

See the pages here:
* C2 The Princess and the Dragon:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon)
* Summary of Rule Sets and Changes:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes)
* C1/C2/WE Order of Play:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play)

3. The rounds of scoring for Mini #2 - The Messages

After revisiting the clarifications about Mini #2 - Messages from 05/2014 and 10/2014, the exchange with HiG confirmed that messages where received at the end of each round of scoring, after all the scoring events have processed. So scoring figures landed on dark spaces were only taken into consideration at that moment (after all scoring was completed for that round of scoring). This tiny bit of information caused some ripples that affected how messages were triggered.

The following pages have been updated:
* Mini #2 - The Messages:
  - Updated section "Rounds of Scoring" for C1 and C2 to include all the new scoring events introduced by new expansions since 05/2015
  - Updated section "Rounds of Scoring" for C2 to include all the information related to rounds of scoring avoiding unnecessary footnotes.
  - Updated footnotes for C1 to provide additional information about the rounds of scoring.
* Order of Play
  - Reviewed anything related to the MESSAGES action: updated the wording and the placement in phases 2. Placing a Meeple and 3. Scoring a Feature.
  - Additionally, took the opportunity to review the entry for Watchtowers (wording) and Tollkeepers (wording and action sequence).
    - Tollhouse token scoring groups of travellers are turned over once the scoring is done in phase 3. Scoring a Feature

See the pages here:
* C1/C2 Mini #2 - The Messages:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages)
* C1/C2/WE Order of Play:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play)

If you have any questions or comments, just let m know.  ;D

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on March 22, 2020, 08:10:59 AM
Dear all,

As a result of the ongoing questions by Carcassonne93, a number of clarifications and improvements were incorporated to WICA:

Major expansions

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
   - Review of dragon movement
   - Review and inclusion of additional info about and dragon's menu/diet
   - Review of interactions with The Tower and The School.
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
   - Note on meeples on top of a tower
* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
   - The Count of Carcassonne:
     - Addition of missing restrictions in ZMG rules
   - The River II for C2:
     - Renaming of "pigsty" (as in ZMG rules) to "pig-herd" as in C1 to avoid confusion with C2 pigsties in relation to Markets of Leipzig and Tollkeepers scoring.
   - The cult places/shrines
     - Added notes about actions triggering and stopping challenges
* Exp. 8 - Castles, Bridges & Bazaars:
   - Addition of clarification for tiles allowed in a small city to become a castle
   - Addition of clarifications about when castle scoring may take place
* Exp. 9 - Hills & Sheep
   - Addition of clarification about shepherds on inner fields
* Wheel of Fortune:
   - Added clarification about heretics and the Famine sector

Minor expansions

* Mini #2 - The Messages:
   - Regrouping of info related to Rounds of Scoring
* Mini #4 - The Goldmines:
   - Addition of clarification for gold distribution and unclaimed features
   - Minor review of gold distribution when multiple features are involved
* The Watchtowers:
   - Addition of clarification about castles
   - Addition of clarification about monastic buildings
* The Markets of Leipzig:
   - Addition of clarification about monastic buildings
* The Abbot:
   - Addition of clarification about the abbot placed as an abbot (not as a monk)
* The Phantom:
   - Extension of clarification about interaction with Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top.

Reference pages

* Game Reference:
   - Treatment change for FFFF tile in GQ#11 so it is not a pig-herd tile (this is an official ruling; the use as pig-herd is a house rule)
   - Addition of redeployment of meeples in City of Carcassonne to other features in addition to fields for C1 (C2 only allows fields) at the end of the game.
   - Addition of missing tokens in list
* Order of Play:
   - Review of wording for Messages and rounds of scoring
   - Addition of individual steps for Dragon Movement and corrected misinterpretation of ZMG rules for C2 (Phases 2b and 3b)
   - Addition of more detailed info about features and bonus scoring (Step 3B)
   - Relocation of fairy bonus to correct placement (Step 3B)
   - Relocation of gold distribution to correct placement (Step 3B --> Step 3D)
* Scoring During the Game:
   - Review of scoring of the Big Top
   - Addition of ferry lakes to road scoring
   - Removal of icon of castle score trigger in fields with barns
   - Clarification of scoring for Famine sector of the Wheel of Fortune
   - Renaming of pigsty of River II to pig-herd for the sake of clarity
* Scoring After the Game:
   - Review of scoring of the Big Top
   - Addition of ferry lakes to road scoring
   - Renaming of pigty of River II to pig-herd for the sake of clarity



Additionally, some corrections were made thanks to comments left by visitors to WICA. I would like to thank personally for their help and their support.  :(y) :(y)

* Exp. 4 - The tower:
   - Inclusion of Toolkeeper tokens in the capturing exclusion list
* Mini #5 - Mage & Witch:
   - Correction of error in CAR footnote about moving mage or witch.
* Order of Play:
   - Review of Step 1B (Draw a Tile) involving dragon tiles alternatives to drawn tiles
   - Correction of the crop circles action to stick to ruling by HiG in C2 (not to ZMG anymore)
* Game Figures:
   - Correction of interaction between abbot meeples and crop circles
   - Correction of interaction between ringmaster and the City of Carcassonne
   - Update of interactions of the dragon with the teacher



So all in all the following pages were updated, improved or corrected:

Major expansions

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon)
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower)
* Exp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor)
* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
   - C1 - Heretics & Shrines:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Heretics_and_Shrines_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Heretics_and_Shrines_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber)
   - C2 - The River II:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/River (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/River)
* Exp. 8 - Bridges, Castles & Bazaars:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars)
* Exp. 9 - Hills & Sheep:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep)
* The Wheel of Fortune:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Wheel_of_Fortune_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Wheel_of_Fortune_(1st_edition))

Minor expansions

* Mini #2 - The Messages:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages)
* Mini #4 - The Goldmines:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Goldmines_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Goldmines_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Goldmines (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Goldmines)
* Mini #5 - Mage & Witch:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch)
* The Phantom:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition))
* The School:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_School_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_School_(1st_edition))
* The Abbot:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot)
* Castles in Germany:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany)
* The Markets of Leipzig:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig)
* The Watchtowers:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers)

Reference pages

* Game Reference:
   - C1: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition)
   - C2: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference
   - WE: http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference
* Game Figures:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures)
* Order of Play:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play)
* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game)
* Scoring After the Game:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game)
* Summary of Rule Sets and Changes:
   - C1/C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes)

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on March 22, 2020, 11:48:34 PM
A whole bunch of clarifications which can be implemented.
Thanks to Carcassonne93 for raising up all this points. +1 merit
Thanks to Meepledrone et. al who answered all this questions and implementing this to WiCa. +1 merit

Stay health! Or recover well!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on March 23, 2020, 02:05:37 AM
Thank you so much, Murphy013!

On my part, this is just taking care of our child.  O0
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on April 09, 2020, 01:30:24 PM
Hi all!

We have new updates in WICA including the addition of the rules for C2 Halflings :o



Some of them as a result of latest questions or comments by Carcassonne93:

Major expansions

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
   - C2: Review of fairy bonus for acrobats

Minor expansions

* The Festival:
   - C2: Correction of mistake in footnote using meeple instead of figure.
   
Reference pages

* Game Reference:
   - Rearrangement of actions when preparing to score including the removal of actions Messages and Robbers.
   
* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1/C2/WE: Revision of the scoring of the fairy with acrobats

* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1/C2/WE: Removal of the action Robbers for the last big top scoring



Some of them due to comments posted directed on WICA:

Major expansions

* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
   - C2: Extension of interactions related to scoring due to barn and sending meeples to the city of Carcassonne

Minor expansions

* Mini #2 - The Messages:
   - C1/C2: Addition of comment to section Rounds of Scoring about actions happeing one in double turn, including ransoming

* Castles in Germany:
   - C2: Correction of typo in example
   - C2: Updated monastery scoring example to match the tules for C2 Halflings

* Monasteries in Germany:
   - C2: Correction of typo in links to HiG in section General info and Comments
   
* The Tollkeepers:
   - C2: Addition of clarification related to the placement of tollhouse tokens



Some other due to the addition of the rules of C2 Halflings, additional revisions and/or other discussions on the forum:

Major expansions

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
   - C1/C2: Addition of interaction of fairy and abbot removal
   - C1/C2: Update of interaction of fairy and acrobats
   - C2: Corrections of reference to C2 terms
   - C2: Added King and Robber baron markers to Dragon's diet plan

* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
   - C2: Addition of the King and Robber Baron markers to the list with figures and tokens not captured by towers 

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top
   - C2: Addition of interaction of fairy and abbot removal

Minor expansions

* The Phantom:
   - C1: Creation of section with interactions included as footnotes

* The Markets of Leipzig
   - C2: Added clarifications about Tanners quarter bonus and barns
   - C2: Rearrangement of footnotes
   
* Halflings:
   - C2: Creation of new page including applicable clarifications from 10/2015 and new clarifications.
   
Reference pages

* Game Reference:
   - Update of halflings in section Preparation
   - Addition of  shepherds to final scoring
   - Minor changes to highlighting logic for some sentences

* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1/C2/WE: Update of wording for field scoring
   - C1/C2/WE: Added scoring for C2 Halflings while C1 Halflings sticks to the clarifications from 10/2015

* Scoring After the Game:
   - C1/C2/WE: Update of fairy bonus for acrobat pyramids
   - C1/C2/WE: Update of wording for field and barn scoring
   - C1/C2/WE: Added scoring for C2 Halflings while C1 Halflings sticks to the clarifications from 10/2015

* Game Figures:
   - C1/C2/WE: Update of fairy bonus for acrobat pyramids

* Timeline
   - Update to include Halflings for C2
   - Uptate to move Castles in Germany to 2015



The result? A bunch of updated pages with new contents and more clarifications:

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon)
   
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower)

* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber)

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top)

* Mini #2 - The Messages:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages)
 
* The Phantom:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition))
   
* The Festival:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival)
 
* Halflings
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings)
 
* Castles in Germany:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany)

* Monasteries in Germany:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries)
 
* The Markets of Leipzng:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig)
 
* The Tollkeepers:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers)

* Game Reference:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference)

* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game)

* Scoring After the Game:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game)

* Game Figures:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures)

* Timeline:
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline)



Best wishes and stay safe.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on April 10, 2020, 01:05:15 AM
Well done. Thanks for this big update.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on April 10, 2020, 04:50:45 AM
Ha ha ha. Thanks for your input!

And more to come if we end up with couple of revamped Scoring Reference pages...  ;D
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: DrMeeple on April 10, 2020, 07:32:37 AM
You're the best. HiG should pay you to fix their disasters hahaha
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on April 12, 2020, 02:50:21 PM
Thanks for the compliments but I think you are exaggerating... ;D

There's still a lot to do. :o
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Vital Pluymers on April 13, 2020, 11:34:14 PM
You're the best. HiG should pay you to fix their disasters hahaha

It would already be totally amazing if they would just bother to read it ...
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on April 14, 2020, 12:42:11 PM
This is war! To the barricades! Let's burn HiG HQ to the ground!  ;)

It would be great if they maintained an official FAQ or something with all the clarifications left out of the printed rules. It would make everyone's life easier...

I understand the clarifications would be longer that the rules themselves. A price to pay for so many expansions and therefore possible interactions.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Vital Pluymers on April 15, 2020, 12:26:26 AM
This is war! To the barricades! Let's burn HiG HQ to the ground!  ;)

It would be great if they maintained an official FAQ or something with all the clarifications left out of the printed rules. It would make everyone's life easier...

I understand the clarifications would be longer that the rules themselves. A price to pay for so many expansions and therefore possible interactions.

Everything is gathered, discussed and evaluated on this forum. They only have to say yes or no, or choose A, B or C. How difficult can it be for a publisher that earns so many thousands of euros on a game they release themselves? If you, Meepledrone, can do it in your spare time, it is totally unacceptable that they cannot do it in their working time...

HiG is not paying attention to its customers and fans. And that is not the way you do business...
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on April 15, 2020, 02:35:40 PM
They can do whatever they want... but we want more expansions...  ;)

More clarifications would be okay too, by the way.  :o
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on April 24, 2020, 11:04:09 AM
Hi all!

The Solo Variant page is available now:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant)

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: DrMeeple on April 24, 2020, 11:10:08 AM
Hi all!

The Solo Variant page is available now:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant)

Cheers!

The Drone power is here!!  8)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on April 24, 2020, 04:10:08 PM
Hi all!

Here you are a summary of recent updates to WICA as a result of the latest questions, ongoing discussions and suggestions on both CarcC and WICA:

Major expansions

* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:‎
   - Added clarifications for the Flying Machines

* Exp. 9 - Hills & Sheep:
   - Added clarification to abbots regarding vineyards

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
   - Added clarifications about trapping meeples in an acrobat pyramid

Minor expansions

* The Phantom:
   - Rearranged clarifications about features affected by the teacher bonus

* The School:
   - Added clarification about the school and fields.

* The Abbot:
   - Updated clarification regarding the dragon

Reference pages

* Order of Play:
   - Updated wording for clarity

* Scoring During the Game:
   - Reviewed interactions between abbot and vineyards

Others

* Timeline:
   - Added entry for Solo Variant

* Variants:
   - Added entry for Solo Variant



Pages updated:

Major expansions

* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:‎
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber)

* Exp. 9 - Hills & Sheep:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep)

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top)

Minor expansions

* The Phantom:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition))

* The School:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_School_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_School_(1st_edition))

* The Abbot:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot)

Reference pages

* Order of Play:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play) 

* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game)

Others

* Timeline:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline)

* Variants:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: DrMeeple on April 25, 2020, 10:25:30 AM
Meepledorne has entered a super power catharsis!! You are invincible!! :D
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: cidervampire on May 01, 2020, 08:16:22 AM
Is there a way to generate a PDF of a selection of expansions, I thought there used to be but I can’t find it
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: DrMeeple on May 01, 2020, 09:43:42 AM
Is there a way to generate a PDF of a selection of expansions, I thought there used to be but I can’t find it
That’s the idea... I think he is working on it...


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Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: cicerunner on May 01, 2020, 10:09:54 PM
Is there a way to generate a PDF of a selection of expansions, I thought there used to be but I can’t find it
That’s the idea... I think he is working on it...
That will be brilliant!

I have often thought whilst using Order of Play that a pdf - very close in style to the official rules documents, as the Order of Play and related pages are in their output - would be a really useful way to keep a snapshot of a particular combination of expansions.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on May 03, 2020, 06:55:42 AM
Is there a way to generate a PDF of a selection of expansions, I thought there used to be but I can’t find it
That’s the idea... I think he is working on it...
That will be brilliant!

I have often thought whilst using Order of Play that a pdf - very close in style to the official rules documents, as the Order of Play and related pages are in their output - would be a really useful way to keep a snapshot of a particular combination of expansions.

You are still able to print to PDF is you are using Chrome.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on May 03, 2020, 07:13:29 AM
You can print individual pages to PDF but not a full guide with selected expansions in one go.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on May 03, 2020, 09:37:05 AM
You right.
I'm printing to PDF these three pages:
1. Order of play
2. Scoring (currently I'm using new scoring per feature - test - still hoping that will be changed scoring with Castle)
3. Scoring at end of game.
These 3 PDF stored in PC because when we play in cabin, sometimes internet is not reachable ;-(

Than we have offline version of rules of all of our official expansions ;-)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Sinscerly on May 04, 2020, 01:06:52 AM
You can print individual pages to PDF but not a full guide with selected expansions in one go.

when you are in the expansion selectors, you can actual print the selected expansions. But that's not the "official rules page".
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: DrMeeple on May 04, 2020, 01:09:46 AM
I think I remember that something could be done in pdf with the selected expansions.


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Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on May 04, 2020, 02:02:05 AM
You can print individual pages to PDF but not a full guide with selected expansions in one go.

when you are in the expansion selectors, you can actual print the selected expansions. But that's not the "official rules page".

Yes. But there is not such a thing as official rules, because all of official rules for expansions cover basic game, some big expansions, and usually none of not numbered mini expansions.

Standart sentense in all expansion rules:
however this has not yet been tested and you’d have to try it at your own risk, without any official rules
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on May 04, 2020, 04:02:13 AM
This is what we call the "Watchtowers disclaimer" that started it all:
* Rules with base game in mind only.
* No additional clarifications after 2015.

Who cannot love this?  :o
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on May 05, 2020, 05:32:38 AM
Hi all,

The Land Surveyors is now available on WICA:

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors)

It includes some consideration about its combination with other expansions.

The Timeline page has been updated to include it too but there is still some pending work to include the new scoring tiles in the reference pages.

I will keep you al posted.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: DrMeeple on May 05, 2020, 06:40:45 AM
Wow!! You are faster than lightning speedeeple!!  C:-)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on May 14, 2020, 04:45:44 PM
Hi all,

Here you are the latest updates to WICA. Hope you like new pages such as the Glossary page and the Scoring During Turn Sequence page, with a full detail on the scoring of all features, figures and tokens during a turn.



Major Expansions

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
  - Corrected typos
  - Added actions allowed instead of placing a meeple on a volcano tiles just placed

* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
   - Updated list of figures captured by a tower
   - Updated list of figures that cannot be placed on a tower

* Exp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor:
   - Corrected typo in clarification

* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
   - Added clarifications about challenge

* Exp. 8 - Bridges, Castles & Bazaars:
   - Added clarification on overlapping castles with an example
   - Added clarification on tokens and features on a tile affecting a bridge

Minor Expansions

* The Abbot:
   - Updated wording in some clarifications

* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
   - Updated clarifications for Message 8
   - Added clarifications on points considered to receive a message (negative points don'r count)

* Little Buildings:
   - Updated wording in some clarifications
   - Added more detailed token list

* Monasteries (German Monasteries & Japanese Buildings):
   - Updated wording to make it feature-neutral when referencing German monasteries of Japanese buildings

* Winter Edition - Gingerbread Man:
   - Added clarification to cover the completion of city with the Gingerbread Man with a gingerbread tile

Variants

* Solo Variant:
   - Added Goals section added to new version of rules

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
   - Added the Land Surveyor scoring tiles
   - Clarified scoring for shepherds at the end of the game

* Order of Play:
   - Added the Land Surveyor scoring tiles
   - Simplified wording of Step 3A (completion of features and order of scoring)

* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
   - Created new page that details all the scoring events happening during a turn sequence organized in rounds of scoring
   - Added a full detail of the scoring sequence for each feature included their bonuses
   - Added the Land Surveyor scoring tiles

* Scoring During the Game:
   - Added the Land Surveyor scoring tiles

Others

* Timeline:
   - Added the Solo Variant

* Variants:
   - Added the Solo Variant

* Quizzes:
   - Added Mini Quiz Easter 2020

* Mega-Carcassonne:
   - Updated the tile counts for Mini #2 and The Festival
   - Added C2 Halflings and The Land Surveyors

* Glossary:
   - First version of the glossary page covering C1 and C2 features and concepts



Pages updated:

Major Expansions

* Exp. 3 - The Princess & the Dragon:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon)

* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower)

* Exp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor)

* Exp. 6 - Count, King & Robber:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber)

* Exp. 8 - Bridges, Castles & Bazaars:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars)

Minor Expansions

* The Abbot:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot)

* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages)

* Little Buildings:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Little_Buildings_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Little_Buildings_(1st_edition))

* Monasteries (German Monasteries & Japanese Buildings):
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries)

* Winter Edition - Gingerbread Man:
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition_The_Gingerbread_Man (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition_The_Gingerbread_Man)

Variants

* Solo Variant:
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Solo_Variant)

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference) 

* Order of Play:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play) 

* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game)

* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)

Others

* Timeline:
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline)

* Variants:
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants)

* Quizzes:
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Quizzes)

* Mega-Carcassonne:
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mega-Carcassonne (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mega-Carcassonne)

* Glossary:
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Glossary (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Glossary)



Cheers and have fun!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on May 14, 2020, 11:13:44 PM
BIG MEGA THANKS!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on May 15, 2020, 04:02:23 AM
Thanks Bumsakalaka!

Always work in progress as you can see.  ;)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on May 15, 2020, 04:08:44 AM
Haha, I know. Any release of any expansion (new or old) in any language can bring some surprise ;-)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on May 16, 2020, 04:16:32 AM
Hi all,

Just out of a whim I added the rules inside the box for the Demo Spiel Promo from 2015. This is the small promo that came in a little blue box with 20 small tiles and 8 mini meeples in red and blue.

I updated the following pages:

* Demo Spiel (new page):
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Demo_Spiel (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Demo_Spiel)

* Timeline (switched link to rules):
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline)

* Variants (added link to rules):
   -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants)

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on May 19, 2020, 02:45:24 PM
 >:D is my name ;-)
How about to add to scoring by turn and order of play Carcassonne Maps and it's Chips?
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on May 19, 2020, 04:20:23 PM
>:D is my name ;-)
How about to add to scoring by turn and order of play Carcassonne Maps and it's Chips?

Mixed with everything else?

Carcassonne Maps are supposed to be played with vanilla tiles only...  :o
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on May 19, 2020, 05:14:00 PM
Ah. I didn't know  :o
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: totor66 on May 25, 2020, 05:13:42 AM
uhm are you sure ? I am almost positive I saw they recommend to add a couple expansions to fill better the maps (the bigger the maps, the more expansion)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: corinthiens13 on May 25, 2020, 05:36:14 AM
uhm are you sure ? I am almost positive I saw they recommend to add a couple expansions to fill better the maps (the bigger the maps, the more expansion)

The Carcassonne maps rules (available for download on Cundco's website) says the following:
Quote
Tiles | We recommend playing with the base game tiles and the first and second expansion. Of course, you can combine everything you want to try. For each map there is a recommendation of a number of tiles you could use. It is better to play without the additional rules and meeples of the expansions and to use only the tiles.

That means you can combine any expansion to have the number of tiles needed for a specific map, but should play only with the base game rules. With this condition, including the maps in  WICA's order of play wouldn't make any sense.
Using the expansion's rules could be fun, but that's at our own risks and there will be no clarification for any situation that is not covered by the base game.

Greetings
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: totor66 on May 25, 2020, 07:05:30 AM
ah yes, forgot about that part where they recommend without rules of expansions

Well that's not so nice :)

Buuut there can't exist so much problems no ?  O:-)
Title: MediaWiki extensions
Post by: Carcassonne93 on June 02, 2020, 12:04:31 PM
Who can install MediaWiki extensions for WikiCarpedia? (https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo etc.).
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on June 02, 2020, 12:29:28 PM
MajFrost did the initial expansion setup. What do would you like to add?
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Carcassonne93 on June 02, 2020, 12:44:39 PM
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:VisualEditor, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Echo, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Popups, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:BetaFeatures.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Carcassonne93 on June 03, 2020, 04:09:16 PM
Also, the recent changes page of WikiCarpedia (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Special:RecentChanges) has an older design. See the recent changes page of English Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:RecentChanges?hidebots=1&hidecategorization=1&hideWikibase=1&limit=1000&days=30&urlversion=2).
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on June 17, 2020, 09:31:00 AM
Hi all,

There is a lot going on in WICA but today I will just highlight one of them away from the world of Carcassonne rules I use to update you all about... We have a new page dedicated to Digital Versions of Carcassonne.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions)

I would like to thank our fellow forum member carlium for his contribution.

You may remember his thread on this subject here a couple of weeks back:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4681.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4681.0)

Hope you enjoy it as much as I do.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: carlium on June 17, 2020, 01:25:35 PM
Thanks for the update Meepledrone, hope this information will be useful.

To all, please feel free to add, correct, or suggest changes, also to share some screenshots that still are missing (BGA, BrettSpielWelt, for example).

I tried to included only in this wikipage those games that represent the actual boardgame mechanism, rules, and scoring.

:)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on June 19, 2020, 01:12:31 PM
I told you a lot was going on...

Murphy013 completed these awesome Visual Timelines for C1 and C2, cherrypicking the best images available to represent every single box and expansions for both editions.

* Visual Timeline for C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(1st_edition))
* Visual Timeline for C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(2nd_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(2nd_edition))

Have fun and stay tunes for more!!!  8)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on June 27, 2020, 06:38:51 AM
Hi all,

It's been a while (May 15th :o) since I don't share with you the latest updates to WICA.

Hope you may find interesting new pages such as:

* The official PnP fan expansions
   - Easter in Carcassonne for C1
   - The City Gates for C1
   - The Fortune Teller for C1 and C2
* The Visual Timelines for C1 and C2 created by Murphy013
* The Digital Versions of Carcassonne compiled by Carlium
* The Demo Spiel
* The PnP Demo

You may also find a lot of pages have been translated into Dutch (by Kiap1969), French (by Black Bear), German (by Murphy013), Romanian (by Carcassonne93), Russian (by Levetator) and Spanish (by me - only a few :-\).

A number of visual improvements have been introduced too: images of box covers, punchboards of mini expansions, general layout of C2 pages,... Murphy013 is working hard to collect images for every published box and mini. Some of the results are already visible in all pages.

Regarding contents, an on-going improvement process is taking place as to wording and the addition of clarifications in text and with examples... The input of the team is being invaluable; while translating, they are also proofreading the C2 pages. You may also see the myriad of questions posted as comments on many pages by Carcassonne93 and some visitors that may point out the need for corrections or additional clarifications. Thank you all for your enthusiasm!

Last but not least, here you are a summary of the updates you may find in WICA:



Base Game

* Base Game:
  - C2: Addition of clarifications about starting player
  - C2: Addition of clarification about features ending a road found in some expansions
  - C2: Addition of clarification about monastery layouts found in some expansions
  - C2: Rewording of the returning of meeples to their owners for the sake of clarity
  - C2: Moved some footnotes to inline Q&A boxes.

* The Farmers:
  - C2: Moved some footnotes to inline Q&A boxes.
  - C2: Updates to wording and typo corrections
 
Major Expansions

* Exp. 1 - Inns And Cathedrals:
  - C2: Addition of missing section describing Points tiles
 
* Exp. 2 - Traders and Builders:
  - C2: Review of clarifications regarding the placement of builders
  - C2: Review of clarifications regarding the double turn

* Exp. 3 - The Princess And the Dragon:
  - C2: Corrected wording in clarification about the volcano and the dragon section
  - C2: Addition of clarification about the scoring of the fairy 1-point bonus with acrobats
  - C2: Addition of clarification about the scoring of the fairy 3-point bonus for scored features
  - C2: Added clarification about fields on the tile with tunnel entrances.
  - C1: Revision of interaction of magic portals with acrobat pyramids 
 
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
  - C2: Review of interactions to indicate a meeple on a tower can be captured
  - C2: Addition of clarification about the interaction with The Phantom

* Exp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor:
  - C2: Revision of wording about the placement of the mayor
  - C2: Relocation of misplaced FAQ box
  - C2: Updates to wording

* Exp. 6 - Count, King and Robber:
  - C1: Correction of dates in general info
  - C2: Addition clarification about special case for meeples deployed from the City of Carcassonne to fields with barns
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarification about interaction with German monasteries (and other special monasteries)
  - C1/C2: Corrections of typos and improvements in the wording

* Exp. 8 - Brigdes, Castles and Bazaars:
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarification about castle scoring
  - C2: Review wording of rules about bazaars
  - C2: Addition of clarifications about the features triggering a castle scoring
  - C2: Addition of clarification about bridges and circus tiles
  - C2: Review of wording of the interaction of bridges with acrobat tiles
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarifications about German (and other special monasteries) triggering a castle scoring.
  - C2: Addition of interaction of castles with flying machines

* Exp. 9 - Hills & Sheep:
  - C2: Review of the interaction between hills and The City of Carcassonne to align it with the rules by HiG

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
  - C2: Revision of wording about the placement of the ringmaster
  - C2: Revision of wording to clarify the scoring of acrobat pyramids, ringmaster and the big top
  - C2: Addition of clarification about the scoring of the fairy 1-point bonus with acrobats
  - C2: Addition of interaction with flying machines and acrobat pyramids
  - C2: Addition of interaction of big top and meeples on towers
  - C2: Addition of interaction of big top and meeples on bridges
  - C2: Addition of clarifications of interactions with other expansions: Russian Promos, The Markets of Leipzig, The Wheel of Fortune, The Barber-Surgeons, German Monasteries (and other special monasteries), Castles in Germany and Halflings

Minor Expansions

* Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying Machines):
  - C2: Addition of new section with clarifications by Kettlefish
  - C2: Addition of clarification about fliers and castles
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarification about fliers and acrobat pyramids

* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
  - C1: Addition of clarifications related to Messages 1, 2, 3, 7 and 8.
  - C2: Addition of clarifications related to Messages 1, 2, 3, 4 and 8.
  - C2: Correction of typos and wording

* Mini #3 - The Ferries:
  - C2: Addition of missing text in example

* Mini #6 - The Robbers:
  - C2: Addition of wording available in HiG rules for the sake of completeness 
  - C2: Correction of minor error

* Besiegers / Cathars / Siege
  - C1: Correction of dates in general info
 
* The Phantom:
  - C1: Correction of typo
 
* Halflings:
  - C2: Rewording of rules for printed sheep and addition of a clarification
  - C1/C2: Review of wording of farm scoring example
  - C1/C2: Added clarification about fairy protection
  - C1/C2: Corrections of typos

* The Festival:
  - C2: Revision of wording of actions allowed with The Festival
  - C2: Addition clarification about the discrepancy in wording by HiG and Cundco
 
* Castles in Germany:
  - C1: Addition of info about expansion symbol
  - C2: Addition of clarification about interaction with Exp. 8 castles
  - C2: Correction of typos

* Monasteries in Germany / Japaneses Buildings:
  - C2: Addition of clarifications about special monasteries with multiple meeples placed as monks and/or as abbots.

* The Labyrinth:
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarifications about fields surrounding the labyrinth
  - C1/C2: Merge of clarifications about other ways to place a meeple on a labyrinth network
  - C1/C2: Addition of a clarification about scoring a road network with multiple labyrinth tiles
  - C1/C2: Change of layout to C2 with minor improvements to wording

* The Watchtowers:
  - C2: Addition of clarifications about multiple meeples on a watchtower tile
  - C2: Revision of wording and correction of typos

* The Markets of Leipzig:
  - C2: Addition of info about limited edition
  - C2: Addition of clarification about initial setup
  - C2: Update and improvement of the clarification about villages
  - C2: Reworded clarification about monastery bonus
 
* The Fruit-Bearing Trees:
  - C2: Reviewed wording to remove ambiguity about fruit actions being optional
  - C2: Extended clarification about events triggering fruit actions

* Spiel Doch Promo:
  - C2: Correction of clarification.
 
* The Barber-Surgeons:
  - C2: Added clarification about meeples going to a bathhouse
  - C2: Addition of rules and clarifications about final scoring
  - C2: Addition of clarification about bathhouse on tile with bridge
  - C2: Minor text rewordings and additions. 
 
PNP Expansions

* Easter in Carcassonne (new page):
  - C1: Addition of new page for official PnP fan-expansion
 
* The City Gates (new page):
  - C1: Addition of new page for official PnP fan-expansion

* The Fortune Teller:
  - C1/C2: Addition of new page for official PnP fan-expansion

* The Land Surveyors:
  - C2: Addition of general info
  - C2: Clarification about the "Highway" scoring tile.
  - C2: Extension of interactions with some expansions affecting roads and cities
  - C2: Addition of clarifications about interactions with the abbot

Variants

* Demo Spiel:
  - C2: Addition of rules for Demo Spiel

* PnP Demo:
  - C2: Addition of rules for the PnP Demo

Spin-offs

* Winter Edition - The Gingerbread Man:
  - WE: Addition of info about misprinted version

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
  - Addition clarification about special case for meeples deployed from the City of Carcassonne to fields with barns

* Order of Play:
  - Removed extra text in actions allowed any time during the turn sequence
  - Review of the ROBBER / ROBBER CHOICE tagging and meaning
  - Revision of the interactions with Russian Promos Solovei Razboynik and Vodyanoy
  - Rewording of swap action related to La Porxada
  - Improving of wording for The Festival action
  - Improving of wording for the placement of a tollhouse

* Scoring During the Game:
  - Review of the Bookbinders quarter bonus for monasteries (The Markets of Leipzig)

* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
  - Review of the ROBBER / ROBBER CHOICE tagging and meaning
  - Review of the Bookbinders quarter bonus for monasteries (The Markets of Leipzig)

* Scoring After the Game:
  - Addition clarification about special case for meeples deployed from the City of Carcassonne to fields with barns

* Summary of Rule Sets & Changes‎‎:
  - Addition of rules changes for Halflings through time
  - Correction of some errors in wording

* Visual Timelines:
  - Creation of new pages featuring visual timelines for C1 and C2

Other pages

* Timeline:
  - Addition of PnP Demo
  - Addition of Easter in Carcassonne
  - Addition of The City Gates
  - Addition of The Fortune Tellers
  - Addition of the Tchibo Edition and the 15th Anniversary Limited Edition
  - Addition of limited editions of The Markets of Leipzig and The Wheel of fortune
  - Addition of the Russian Compilations and Big Boxes
  - Relocation of C1 The Count of Carcassonne and C1 Count, King and Robber to the correct year

* Variants:
  - Addition of PnP Demo
  - Addition of the Tchibo Edition and the 15th Anniversary Limited Edition
  - Addition of limited editions of The Markets of Leipzig and The Wheel of fortune
  - Addition and corrections to Big Boxes by HiG
  - Addition of the Russian Compilations and Big Boxes

* Digital Versions:
  - Creation of new page covering videogame version of Carcassonne



Base Game

* Base Game:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Base_game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Base_game)

* The Farmers:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Farmers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Farmers)

Major Expansions

* Exp. 1 - Inns And Cathedrals:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Inns_and_Cathedrals (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Inns_and_Cathedrals)

* Exp. 2 - Traders and Builders:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders)
 
* Exp. 3 - The Princess And the Dragon:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon)
 
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower)
 
* Exp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor)

* Exp. 6 - Count, King and Robber:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Count_of_Carcassonne_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Count_of_Carcassonne_(1st_edition))
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber)

* Exp. 8 - Brigdes, Castles and Bazaars:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars)
 
* Exp. 9 - Hills & Sheep:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Hills_%26_Sheep)
 
* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top)
 
Minor Expansions

* Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying Machines):
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Flier (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Flier)

* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages)

* Mini #3 - The Ferries:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Ferries)
 
* Mini #6 - The Robbers:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Robbers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Robbers)

* Besiegers / Cathars / Siege
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Besiegers_Cathars_Siege_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Besiegers_Cathars_Siege_(1st_edition))

* The Phantom:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Phantom_(1st_edition))
   
* Halflings:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings)

* Castles in Germany:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany)
 
* Monasteries in Germany / Japaneses Buildings:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Monasteries)

* The Labyrinth:
  - C1/C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Labyrinths (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Labyrinths)
   
* The Watchtowers:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers)
 
* The Markets of Leipzig:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Markets_of_Leipzig)
 
* The Fruit-Bearing Trees:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fruit-Bearing_Trees (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fruit-Bearing_Trees)

* Spiel Doch Promo:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Doch_Promo (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Doch_Promo)

* The Barber-Surgeons:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Barber-Surgeons (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Barber-Surgeons)

PnP Expansions

* Easter in Carcassonne (new page):
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Easter_in_Carcassonne_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Easter_in_Carcassonne_(1st_edition))
 
* The City Gates (new page):
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_City_Gates_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_City_Gates_(1st_edition))

* The Fortune Teller:
  - C1/C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fortune_Teller (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fortune_Teller)

* The Land Surveyors:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors)

Variants

* Demo Spiel (new page):
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Demo_Spiel (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Demo_Spiel)
 
* PnP Demo (new page):
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Print-and-Play_Demo (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Print-and-Play_Demo)
 
Spin-offs

* Winter Edition - The Gingerbread Man:
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition_The_Gingerbread_Man (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition_The_Gingerbread_Man)

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference)

* Order of Play:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play)   

* Scoring During the Game:
   - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition))
   - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game)
   - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game)
   
* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)

* Scoring After the Game:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game)

* Summary of Rule Sets & Changes‎‎:
  -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes)
 
* Visual Timelines:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(2nd_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(2nd_edition))

Other pages

* Timeline:
  -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline)

* Variants:
  -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants)
 
* Digital Versions (new page):
  -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions)



All your comments are welcome.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: MMike on June 27, 2020, 08:53:55 AM
WOAH. That's a lot of updates! :D Well done
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on June 28, 2020, 01:20:42 PM
It's been a long and busy month and a half.  O0
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Carcassonne93 on June 29, 2020, 01:36:16 AM
Why on WikiCarpedia it is used the style "Word word word <ref>Text</ref> word word. <ref>Text</ref>", and not this style "Word word word<ref>Text</ref> word word.<ref>Text</ref>" (which is used on English Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_the_basics )?
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on June 29, 2020, 02:48:41 AM
Please check out.awas comparing your versions chat by chat and both are same. Or maybe I'm blind :)

Odoslané z SM-A202F pomocou Tapatalku

Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: wolnic on June 29, 2020, 03:41:45 AM
Why on WikiCarpedia it is used the style "Word word word <ref>Text</ref> word word. <ref>Text</ref>", and not this style "Word word word<ref>Text</ref> word word.<ref>Text</ref>" (which is used on English Wikipedia - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Footnotes#Footnotes:_the_basics )?

Most of the reference links on Wikipedia are to citations or source references and occur singly, rather than footnotes as we use the function. When we were converting the CAR, we found there were many occasions where there were multiple footnotes relating to the same sentence (five was not uncommon), so we put each one on a new line so that it was easier for us to see them when applying corrections or working with them in the editor - having several long references in the same paragraph as the text made the content almost unreadable.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: tp10053 on June 29, 2020, 12:11:55 PM
I have an oversight to report. In the visual timeline section, year 2006, Limited edition: base game + Princess and dragon shows the picture of Limited edition with Trader and builder.  :red-meeple:
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Carcassonne93 on July 05, 2020, 08:11:03 AM
Also, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:NoTitle .
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 05, 2020, 10:31:19 AM
I have an oversight to report. In the visual timeline section, year 2006, Limited edition: base game + Princess and dragon shows the picture of Limited edition with Trader and builder.  :red-meeple:

Hi tp10053!

Image corrected. Thanks for letting us know.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 05, 2020, 11:25:22 AM
For a new page "Carcassonne Collections and Expansions" page 312-315 of S-CAR 7.4 i would request your help

Refer http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Collections_and_Expansions

Instead of a green check mark/red cross we show now the Box or when not possible the cover.

The entries for German, English, Dutch, French and Russian should be complete.

The Czech contains all Mindok-Games, but not the Albi-Games.
The Italian contains only a few Giochi Uniti and less Venice Connection Games
The Polish contains only the second edition games. Spin-offs and first edition are missing

Of course I used Boardgamegeek as source, but many others sources too.

So please look in the list and help to fill the gaps or provide other languages. Of course you can also send me links to the images.
You can send them to Murphy013@web.de
It is pleasure to me to add them into the list.

The images should have at least a height of 500px, Big boxes 600px and Tower/Catapult 700px. That mean the boxes and not the images itself.

Thanks for your support!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 05, 2020, 11:56:48 AM
For a new page "Carcassonne Collections and Expansions" page 312-315 of S-CAR 7.4 i would request your help

Refer http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Collections_and_Expansions

Instead of a green check mark/red cross we show now the Box or when not possible the cover.

The entries for German, English, Dutch, French and Russian should be complete.

The Czech contains all Mindok-Games, but not the Albi-Games.
The Italian contains only a few Giochi Uniti and less Venice Connection Games
The Polish contains only the second edition games. Spin-offs and first edition are missing

Of course I used Boardgamegeek as source, but many others sources too.

So please look in the list and help to fill the gaps or provide other languages. Of course you can also send me links to the images.
You can send them to Murphy013@web.de
It is pleasure to me to add them into the list.

The images should have at least a height of 500px, Big boxes 600px and Tower/Catapult 700px. That mean the boxes and not the images itself. Yellow marked images doesn’t meet this requirements.

Thanks for your support!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: tp10053 on July 05, 2020, 03:52:50 PM
I have an oversight to report. In the visual timeline section, year 2006, Limited edition: base game + Princess and dragon shows the picture of Limited edition with Trader and builder.  :red-meeple:

Hi tp10053!

Image corrected. Thanks for letting us know.

Cheers!
Your are welcome!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 18, 2020, 08:06:51 AM
Now it is officially linked to the main page. I guess we have now ~20 languages. My special thanks to all who posted me links.

I still find edition and add them continously.

I'm still looking for following editions, if they exists:
   - C1 Tower (Dutch/Polish/Finnish) with tower symbol on the box
   - Minis 1-6 (Romanian)

The yellow marked edition don't have the quality like the others. If you can provide links to better quality images give me a link. They should show the same like the current. Means when there is box shown a box in better quality would be perfect.

The WICA team that you all enjoy the overview and we hope that you aren't frustrated when you try to collect them all.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 18, 2020, 08:13:10 AM
Do you think that completionists will be able to have a decent rest after seeing this awesome compilation? You are asking for too much.  >:D

Imagine DrMeeple classifying all the C1 versions by shade of green...  :o
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 18, 2020, 08:41:03 AM
If he have enough space he can get them all.
When he have all the basegames and all the first 4 expansions. the rest is kindergarden.

AND of course the list doesn't show all. I found an australian edition. As well Thai, Hungary, Greek, Hebrew, Korean and many other are missing. ;-)

Try to get them all
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 18, 2020, 09:01:26 AM
Ha ha ha!

You are tireless!!! The results are impressive.  :(y) :(y)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 18, 2020, 09:07:13 AM
At the moment I do the last check against BGG.
They had a lack of data and meanwhile I created there about 50 versions and much more images. How could that happen on BGG?

Please keep in mind that I had help. I wanna Name only Carium, BlackBear and Carcassonne93 and hope that I haven’t forgotten someone. In that case i apologise
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 18, 2020, 09:36:35 AM
OK. I forgive you.  ;)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 18, 2020, 09:51:27 AM
OK. I forgive you.  ;)

Mea culpa
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 18, 2020, 09:53:18 AM
BTW. It would be nice when you give my uploaded images on BGG a thumb.

You can find an overview of the uploaded images here:
https://boardgamegeek.com/images/boardgame/all?username=Murphy013
Start with the images which have less then 2 thumbs
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 18, 2020, 10:16:34 AM
BTW. It would be nice when you give my uploaded images on BGG a thumb.

You can find an overview of the uploaded images here:
https://boardgamegeek.com/images/boardgame/all?username=Murphy013
Start with the images which have less then 2 thumbs

Done!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 18, 2020, 10:17:22 AM
OK. I forgive you.  ;)

Mea culpa

You are hired to translate WICA into Latin starting tomorrow.  ;D
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Murphy013 on July 18, 2020, 12:05:21 PM
Of course when there is somewhere a translator. No, no chance
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on July 23, 2020, 02:55:49 AM
I moved the post related to the To Do List by Carcassonne93 to this topic:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.msg69540#msg69540 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4489.msg69540#msg69540)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on August 30, 2020, 05:21:06 AM
Hi there!

Out of a whim I created this page to simulate the Land Surveyors scoring tiles on your PC, tablet, or phone while playing.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors_Simulator (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors_Simulator)

Your thoughts are welcome.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on August 30, 2020, 11:04:47 AM
Perfect when somebody wants to try if print or not.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Carcassonne King on August 31, 2020, 03:56:38 AM
Wow, that simulator is great!  Thanks Meepledrone!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on August 31, 2020, 01:40:18 PM
You are welcome!

Enjoy it  ;D
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Gagoune on September 16, 2020, 09:16:31 AM
Hello,
I'm a newcomer. Sorry if I'm not in the right section ! :'(
Would like to help in the release of Wikicarpedia. However, I can only help for the french section.  :-[
I have the rules for the missing "The Messenger/FR" page. How/where to share to make it be published ?
Thanks a lot for your help !
Gagoune
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on September 16, 2020, 12:02:22 PM
Hi Gagoune,

Welcome to Carcassonne Central! You are most welcome to enjoy the forum and join the WICA team.

I will send you a PM with some information so you can get started. You are also lucky since there is another very active French member in the team: Black Bear.

In the meantime, just let us know about the type of games you like and what expansions you prefer to use...  ;D

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on September 17, 2020, 08:32:50 AM
Hi all,

Hope you all have enjoyed a good summer vacation.

It's been a while (June 27th :o:o) since I don't share with you the latest updates to WICA.

Hope you may find interesting a new treat we added, the online
Land Surveyor Simulator (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors_Simulator) (available on the Main Page, section Tools), that will allow you to play this expansion without creating the scoring tiles and getting your hands dirty...  ;)

You may also find some additional pages translated into Dutch (by Kiap1969), French (by Black Bear), German (by Murphy013), Romanian (by Carcassonne93).

A number of visual improvements have been introduced too: images of box covers, punchboards of mini expansions, general layout of C2 pages,... Murphy013 is working hard to collect images for every published box and mini. Some of the results are already visible in all pages.

Regarding contents, an on-going improvement process is taking place as to wording and the addition of clarifications in text and with examples... The input of the team is being invaluable; while translating, they are also proofreading the C2 pages. You may also see the myriad of questions posted as comments on many pages by Carcassonne93 and some visitors that may point out the need for corrections or additional clarifications. Thank you all for your enthusiasm!

Last but not least, here you are a summary of the updates you may find in WICA:



Base Game

* The Abbot:
  - C2: Addition of clarification about removing the abbot from a feature just completed
 
Major Expansions

* Exp. 2 - Traders and Builders:
  - C1/C2: Review of actions happening during double turn
  - C2: Addition of cloth bag

* Exp. 3 - The Princess And the Dragon:
  - C2: Addition of footnote about how to score the fairy 3-point scoring bonus
  - C1/C2: Update of clarification about fairy and acrobats at the end of the game
  - C1/C2: Addition of interaction with fliers
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarification about target destination for magic portals
 
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
  - C2: Addition of clarification related to towers and phantoms

* Exp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor:
  - C2: Relocation of misplaced FAQ
  - C2: Review wording of clarification about wagon movement

* Exp. 6 - Count, King and Robber:
  - C1: Update of the wording for the movement of the count
  - C2: Addition of clarification about deploying escaped knights to the city of Caracassonne in the same turn
  - C2: Addition of clarification about monastic buildings and multiple monks
  - C2: Regrouping of the rules related to the final scoring of the King and Robber Baron tiles

* Exp. 7 - The Catapult
  - C1: Added Clarifications about Seduction Token

* Exp. 8 - Brigdes, Castles and Bazaars:
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarification about small cities and castles with multiple meeples
  - C2: Addition of clarification about road modifiers and bonuses affecting a bridge
  - C2: Addition of clarification about final scoring of the big top
  - C2: Rewording of parts of the rules for castles that were missing in ZMG rules but included in HiG rules

* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
  - C2: Update of clarification about fairy and acrobats at the end of the game
  - C2: Addition of clarification about final scoring of the big top

Minor Expansions

* Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying Machines):
  - C2: Addition of clarification about target destination for a flier

* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
  - C1: Improvement of clarifications related to Message 4 (Add Tile).
  - C1: Improvement of clarifications related to Message 7 (Add Tile).

* Mini #5 - Mage & Witch:
  - C2: Addition of clarification about what tiles are eligible to place the magic figures
  - C1/C2: Addition of footnote about completed features when placing the mage or the witch

* Mini #6 - The Robbers:
  - C2: Update of the wording to indicate the placement of robbers on the scoreboard as optional
  - C1: Correction of wording about the placement of the robbers

* Besiegers / Cathars / Siege
  - C1: Addition of clarification about deploying escaped knights to the city of Caracassonne in the same turn
 
* Little Buildings:
  - Addition of clarification about special special monasteries and little buildings

* Halflings:
  - C1/C2: Addition of clarifications about bridges and Halflings

* Russian Promos:
  - C1: Addition of clarification about wagon and Bogatyr tile
  - C1: Addition of clarification about the road on the Solovei Razboynik tile
 
* Spiel Promos:
  - C2: Addition of tile descriptions

* The Watchtowers:
  - C2: Addition of clarification about wooden bridges

* The Tollkeepers:
  - C2: Addition of clarification about features considered by a bridge for a tollhouse
  - C2: Addition of clarification about features considered when scoring a tollhouse
 
Tools

* Land Surveyors Simulator (new page):
  - C2: Addition of The Land Surveyors simulator for scoring tiles

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
  - Addition of details about Halflings and German castles to the preparation
  - Review of the start tile sequence to remove house rule and ensure the School is always placed next to the base starting tile
  - Removal of house rule with bag
  - Update of starting player selection
  - Rewording of action with robbers at the end of the game

* Scoring During the Game:
  - Review of scoring during bazaar indcluding robbers
  - Addition of note on little buildings to abbot
  - Update of wording for tollkeepers
  - Update of wording for Gingerbread Man

* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
  - Review of scoring during bazaar indcluding robbers
  - Addition of note on little buildings to abbot
  - Update of wording for tollkeepers
  - Update of wording for Gingerbread Man

* Scoring After the Game:
  - Addition of clarification about special special monasteries and little buildings
  - Update of wording for tollkeepers

* Game Figures:
  - C1/C2/WE: Addition of removal of meeples from Vodyanoy lake
  - C1/C2/WE: Correction of actions related to Solovei Razbynik

* Summary of Rule Sets & Changes‎‎:
  - Addition of rules changes for robber placement / movement about being optional or mandatory

Other pages

* Digital Versions:
  - Addition of Touluse
  - Addition of Chinese Carcassonne
  - Addition of Carcassonne – Last Stend



The pages modified are listed next:

Base Game

* The Abbot:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Abbot)

Major Expansions

* Exp. 1 - Inns And Cathedrals:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Inns_and_Cathedrals (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Inns_and_Cathedrals)

* Exp. 2 - Traders and Builders:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders)
 
* Exp. 3 - The Princess And the Dragon:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon)
 
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower)
 
* Exp. 5 - Abbey & Mayor:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Abbey_and_the_Mayor)

* Exp. 6 - Count, King and Robber:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Count_of_Carcassonne_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Count_of_Carcassonne_(1st_edition))
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber)

* Exp. 7 - The Catapult
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Catapult_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Catapult_(1st_edition))

* Exp. 8 - Brigdes, Castles and Bazaars:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars)
 
* Exp. 10 - Under the Big Top:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Under_the_Big_Top)
 
Minor Expansions

* Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying Machines):
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Flier (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Flier)

* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages)

* Mini #5 - Mage & Witch:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mage_and_Witch)

* Mini #6 - The Robbers:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Robbers_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Robbers_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Robbers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Robbers)

* Besiegers / Cathars / Siege
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Besiegers_Cathars_Siege_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Besiegers_Cathars_Siege_(1st_edition))

* Little Buildings:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Little_Buildings_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Little_Buildings_(1st_edition))

* Halflings:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings)

* Russian Promos:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Russian_Promos_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Russian_Promos_(1st_edition))

* Spiel Promos:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Promos (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Promos)

* The Watchtowers:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers)
 
* The Tollkeepers:
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tollkeepers)
 
Tools

* Land Surveyots Simulator
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors_Simulator (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors_Simulator)
Spin-offs

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference)

* Scoring During the Game:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game)
   
* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)

* Scoring After the Game:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game)

* Game Figures:
  - C1:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition) (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures)
  - WE:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures)

* Summary of Rule Sets & Changes‎‎:
  -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes)
 
Other pages
 
* Digital Versions:
  -
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions)



All your comments are welcome.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Kirk Sellman on September 19, 2020, 07:15:51 PM
Meepledrone,

I'm very impressed with the work on WikiCarpedia. It's a vast resource that I will count on for any questions and disputes. Thank you for creating and maintaining it.

Kirk
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on September 21, 2020, 01:01:09 AM
Hi Kirk,

Thank you for your kind words. I'm glad to hear you find it useful. We have put a lot of enthusiasm into it. It is a living project and we are always looking for new stuff to add or improve.

For example, although maybe nobody would care at this point, I just updated the rules of The Catapult after finding out that the rules for the Seduction token were mistranslated by RGG (you can actually seduce one of your own meeples not only someone else's) and the HiG original rules and a FAQ by HiG (available online until 8/2017) confirmed that. :o

I know this is a distressing piece of news! Hope you can process it properly ;)

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Kirk Sellman on September 21, 2020, 06:39:54 AM
Meepledrone,

All of a sudden, I have a new interest in The Catapult.

Kirk
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on September 21, 2020, 06:55:10 AM
Ha ha ha!

How so?  ;)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Kirk Sellman on September 21, 2020, 06:58:25 AM
The romance angle.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: DrMeeple on September 30, 2020, 12:45:07 AM
Oh no! This is terrible!  ;D
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 03, 2020, 09:27:27 AM
Dear all,

Just a short update for you people eager for rules after the Spiel'20 releases:

* The new Spiel'20 promo tile is already in place (no rules sorry ;)):
   
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Spiel_Promos (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Spiel_Promos)

* The rules for the German cathedrals in the nwe edition are online.
   
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Cathedrals_in_Germany  (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Cathedrals_in_Germany) 

* The rules for the USA Maps are available (I included an excerpt of the set-up and the limitations taken from the Map-Chip rules for USA Maps - HiG didn't provide an updated set of the basic rules)
   
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Carcassonne_Maps_-_Basic_Rules (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Carcassonne_Maps_-_Basic_Rules)

* The Map-Chip rules for the USA Maps can be found here:
   
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Map-Chips_USA_West_and_East (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php?title=Map-Chips_USA_West_and_East)

Last but not least, WICA's engine has been upgraded and migrated as of today. We are running on MediaWiki v1.35.0 on a new ISP and on SSL... Awesome news! Thanks Sinscerly for this awesome work... +1 merit from me!  :(y) :(y) :(y)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Windekind on November 03, 2020, 09:22:53 PM
Last but not least, WICA's engine has been upgraded and migrated as of today. We are running on MediaWiki v1.35.0 on a new ISP and on SSL...

Could it be because of the update that I have problems? I can no longer open https://wikicarpedia.com in google chrome. It does work with Internet Explorer.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: corinthiens13 on November 03, 2020, 11:05:41 PM
Last but not least, WICA's engine has been upgraded and migrated as of today. We are running on MediaWiki v1.35.0 on a new ISP and on SSL...

Could it be because of the update that I have problems? I can no longer open https://wikicarpedia.com in google chrome. It does work with Internet Explorer.

Hi,

I'm able to open it without any problem with Google Chrome. Is your Chrome version up to date?
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 03, 2020, 11:35:44 PM
We moved the server to a different ISP. Maybe your DNS server hadn't refreshed last time you tried. I've tried Chrome, Safari, Opera, Internet Explorer and Edge successfully. Please try again.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Sinscerly on November 04, 2020, 03:59:07 AM
Last but not least, WICA's engine has been upgraded and migrated as of today. We are running on MediaWiki v1.35.0 on a new ISP and on SSL...

Could it be because of the update that I have problems? I can no longer open https://wikicarpedia.com in google chrome. It does work with Internet Explorer.

Hi Windekind, that sounds like an DNS problem. The old wikicarpedia had no https and GoDaddy.com blocked all traffic that came from that.
As we are almost 24hours further, that should be fixed(as mostly DNS resolving should be fixed with some hours worldwide). Do you still have issues with connecting to either http://wikicarpedia.com or https://wikicarpedia.com?
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Windekind on November 04, 2020, 05:14:32 AM
Last but not least, WICA's engine has been upgraded and migrated as of today. We are running on MediaWiki v1.35.0 on a new ISP and on SSL...

Could it be because of the update that I have problems? I can no longer open https://wikicarpedia.com in google chrome. It does work with Internet Explorer.

Hi Windekind, that sounds like an DNS problem. The old wikicarpedia had no https and GoDaddy.com blocked all traffic that came from that.
As we are almost 24hours further, that should be fixed(as mostly DNS resolving should be fixed with some hours worldwide). Do you still have issues with connecting to either http://wikicarpedia.com or https://wikicarpedia.com?

Both sites report this problem.
It says:
400 Bad Request
Request Header Or Cookie Too Large
nginx/1.18.0 (Ubuntu)

Or is the problem in my program? Setting problem?
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: wolnic on November 04, 2020, 05:54:50 AM
That looks like some restriction being applied by the nginx proxy server. Is that installed on your home (or work?) system? It's a few years since I worked on nginx so would have to look at documentation.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Windekind on November 04, 2020, 06:15:49 AM
I don't know anything about that. It is my home computer.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 04, 2020, 06:16:47 AM
Check this page so see if it helps you solve the issue with your browser:

https://www.minitool.com/news/request-header-or-cookie-too-large.html (https://www.minitool.com/news/request-header-or-cookie-too-large.html)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Windekind on November 04, 2020, 06:29:45 AM
Check this page so see if it helps you solve the issue with your browser:

https://www.minitool.com/news/request-header-or-cookie-too-large.html (https://www.minitool.com/news/request-header-or-cookie-too-large.html)

Thanks, that helped a lot.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 18, 2020, 01:12:18 PM
Hi all,

Hope you all are well and doing fine!

It's been a while again (September 17th :o :o) since I don't share with you the latest updates to WICA. It's been just like the blink of an eye,,,

I already broke the news about some of the additions associated to releases happening at Essen Digital 2020, but here you are a number of improvements and changes introduced including all the new pages covering new expansions:
* Cathedrals in Germany for C2
* USA West & East Maps
* Spiel'20 Tile
* Winter Edition River

Carlium has also been working hard to keep up with new launches and added them o the Digital Versions page. He also added two more spin-offs to WICA: CardCassonne and The Dice Game. So if you play with them, you can check the rules online too.

GagoUne has been also translating a bunch of pages to French and even created some PDF files with rules in French for some minis based on WICA. Great job!

Carcassonne93 has been keeping the Romanian translation of C2 pages up to date almost instantly after every change... So Romanian visitors, you must feel lucky!

Murphy013 continued to update the huge Collections and Expansions page with all the new releases.

Last but not least, I just released a first version of the Tile Reference. It was about time since wolnic and I started to work on this like a zillion years ago... So have fun with his new feature, were you can list tiles by expansion, topology (edges), and even filter tiles by features to be considered. It covers C1, C2 and WE.

So here you are a summary of the updates you may find in WICA some other minor wording and :



Major Expansions

* Exp. 1 - Inns and Cathedrals:
  - C2: Update of wording to align it with original rules about completion of features with inns or cathedrals
  - C2: Update of clarifications about tiles

* Exp. 2 - Traders and Builders:
  - C2: Addition of texts missing in Big Box 6 about trade goods
  - C2: Update of text about the removal of the builder to align it with original rules
  - C2: Update of text about the removal of the pig to align it with original rules
  - C2: Correction of text explaining the scoring of the pig to align it with the original rules
 
* Exp. 3 - The Princess And the Dragon:
  - C2: Addition of interaction about the dragon not being able to eat a meeple in a Exp. 8 castle
  - C2: Addition of interaction about the fairy being allowed to be placed in an Exp. 8 castle
  - C2: Update of interaction about flier being allowed to land as an acrobat

* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
  - C2: Addition clarification on error in the ZMG printed rulebook (actions restricted to tiles with tower foundations)

* Exp. 6 - Count, King and Robber:
  - C2: Addition of official variants for The Count of Carcassone published for C1 by HiG
 
* Exp. 7 - The Catapult
  - C1: Reviewed clarifications about Seduction Token and the Knock out token
  - C1: Added clarification about RGG mistranslation of the Seduction Token rules
 
* Exp. 8 - Brigdes, Castles and Bazaars:
  - C2: Update of wording to align it with the original rules

Minor Expansions

* Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying Machines):
  - C2: Addition of clarification about a phantom to allowed to land as an acrobat
  - C2: Addition of clarification about a flier not allowed to land on a tower
 
* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
  - C2: Update of actions before final scoring to align them with original rules (you can use either your scoring meeple or your messenger for final scoring).
 
* Mini #4 - The Goldmines:
  - C2: Massive update to the wording to align it with the original rules, including missing details in ZMG rules about some cases.
 
* La Porxada
  - C1: Addition of clarifications on how to conduct the final scoring with the La Porxada bonus for cities
 
* The Festival:
  - C1/C2: Addition of tiles with rules
 
* Spiel Promos:
  - C2: Addition of Spiel'20 tile
  - C2: Update of wording and addition of clarification on lack of official rules

* Halflings:
  - C2: Addition of information to Tile Distribution
 
* Cathedrals in Germany:
  - C2: Creation of new page for C2
 
CnP Expansions / PnP Expansions

* Easter in Carcasssonne:
  - C1: Addition of links to files for download (HiG version and fan-made version)
  - C1: Correction of tile count in Tile Distribution

* The City Gates:
  - C1: Addition of links to files for download (HiG version and fan-made version)
  - C1: Addition of tile clarifications only included in fan-made version but omitted by HiG

* The Fortune Teller:
  - C1/C2: Addition of links to files for download (HiG version and fan-made versions)

* CutCassonne:
  - C2: Added stub page for CutCassonne tiles

* Land Surveyors:
  - C2: Update of impact of Mage and Markets of Leipzig on Highway and Bad Neighbourhood scoring tiles.

Variants

* Carcassonne Maps (hub page):
  - Addition of USA West & East Maps

* Carcassonne Maps - Basic Rules:
  - Addition of special cases for USA West & East Maps
 
* Map-Chips USA_West and East
  - Creation of page with Map Chip riles for USA Maps
 
Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
  - C1/C2/WE: Update of actions for messengers and scoring meeples before final scoring
  - C1/C2/WE: Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2

* Order of Play:
  - C1/C2/WE: Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2
  - C1/C2/WE: Update of wording about moving meeples to the city of Carcassonne

* Scoring During the Game:
  - C1/C2/WE: Update of impact of Mage and Markets of Leipzig on Highway and Bad Neighbourhood scoring tiles.
  - C1/C2/WE: Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2
   
* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
  - C1/C2/WE: Update of impact of Mage and Markets of Leipzig on Highway and Bad Neighbourhood scoring tiles.
  - C1/C2/WE: Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2

* Scoring After the Game:
  - C1/C2/WE: Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2
 
* Game Figures:
  - C1/C2/WE: Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2
  - C1/C2/WE: Update of actions for messengers and scoring meeples befor final scoring

* Tile Reference:
  - C1 / C2 /WE: Creation of page with tile reference
 
* Summary of Rule Sets & Changes‎‎:
  - Addition of entry for discrepancy in RGG rules for The Seduction Token
  - Addition of  entry for discrepancy in Mini #2 - Messages about actions before final scoring
 
* Mega-Carcassonne:
  - Addition od Speil'20 Tile
  - Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2

* Visual Timeline
  - C1: Added Wind Roses II
  - C2: Addition of: Spiel'20 Tile
  - C2: Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2
  - C2: Addition of USA West & East Maps
 
Spin-Offs

* Winter Edition (hub page):
  - Addition of Winter Edition River

* Winter Edition River:
  - Addition of page for Winter Edition River
 
* The Dice Game:
  - Creation of page for The Dice Game
 
* CardCassonne:
  - Creation of page for CardCassonne
 
Other pages

* Variants:
  - Addition of USA West & East Maps
  - Addition of link to rules age of CutCassonne
  - Addition of Carcassonne Start Tableau

* Timeline:
  - Addition of Carcassonne Start Tableau
  - Addition of Spiel'20 Tile
  - Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2
  - Addition of USA West & East Maps
  - Addition of Map Chips for USA  West and East Maps
  - Addition of Hunters & Gatherers 2020
  - Addition of Winter Edition 2020 w/ River
 
* Digital Versions:
  - Addtioin of The Princess and the Dragon on BGA
  - Addition of Hunter and Gatherers on BGA
  - Addition of Hunter and Gatherers on Yucata
  - Addition of Hunter and Gatherers on Tabletopia
  - Addition of Carcassonne: The City on Jijbent
 
* Collections and Expansions
  - Addition of Cathedrals in Germany for C2
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps - Germany
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps - France
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps - Great Britain
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps - Iberian Peninsula
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps - Benelux
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps - USA East
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps - USA West
  - Addition of Carcassonne Maps Chips
  - Addition of Spiel'20 Tile
  - Addition of Hunters and Gatherers 2020
  - Addition of Winter Edition with River 2020
  - Addition of publisher Mandoo Games in Korea
  - Addition of publisher Ponva in Slovenia / Croatia /Serbia



The pages modified are listed next:

Major Expansions

* Exp. 1 - Inns and Cathedrals:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Inns_and_Cathedrals (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Inns_and_Cathedrals)

* Exp. 2 - Traders and Builders:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Traders_and_Builders)
 
* Exp. 3 - The Princess And the Dragon:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Princess_and_The_Dragon)
 
* Exp. 4 - The Tower:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Tower)

* Exp. 6 - Count, King and Robber:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Count,_King_and_Robber)

* Exp. 7 - The Catapult
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Catapult_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Catapult_(1st_edition))

* Exp. 8 - Brigdes, Castles and Bazaars:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Bridges,_Castles_and_Bazaars)

Minor Expansions

* Mini #1 - The Flier (Flying Machines):
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Flier (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Flier)

* Mini #2 - The Messages (Dispatches):
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Messages)
 
* Mini #4 - The Goldmines:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Goldmines (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Goldmines)

* La Porxada:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/La_Porxada_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/La_Porxada_(1st_edition))
 
* The Festival:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Festival)
 
* Spiel Promos:
  - C2: [/url]https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Spiel_Promos[/url]
 
* Halflings:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Halflings)

* Cathedrals in Germany:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Cathedrals_in_Germany (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Cathedrals_in_Germany)

CnP Expansions / PnP Expansions

* Easter in Carcassonne:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Easter_in_Carcassonne_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Easter_in_Carcassonne_(1st_edition))
 
* The City Gates:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_City_Gates_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_City_Gates_(1st_edition))
 
* The Fortune Teller:
  - C1/C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fortune_Teller (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Fortune_Teller)
 
* CutCassonne:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/CutCassonne (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/CutCassonne)
 
* Land Surveyors:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Land_Surveyors)

Variants

* Carcassonne Maps (hub page):
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps)

* Carcassonne Maps - Basic Rules:
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Basic_Rules (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Basic_Rules)
 
*  Map-Chips USA_West and East
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Map-Chips_USA_West_and_East (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Map-Chips_USA_West_and_East)

Reference Pages

* Game Reference:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Reference)
  - WE:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Reference)

* Order of Play:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Order_of_Play)
  - WE:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Order_of_Play)

* Scoring During the Game:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_the_Game)
  - WE:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_the_Game)
   
* Scoring During Turn Sequence:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)
  - WE:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_During_Turn_Sequence)

* Scoring After the Game:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Scoring_After_the_Game)
  - WE:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Scoring_After_the_Game)

* Game Figures:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Game_Figures)
  - WE:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Game_Figures)

* Tile Reference:
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Tile_Reference_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Tile_Reference_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Tile_Reference (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Tile_Reference)
  - WE:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Tile_Reference (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Tile_Reference)

* Summary of Rule Sets & Changes‎‎:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Summary_of_Rule_Sets_%26_Changes)

* Mega-Carcassonne
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mega-Carcassonne (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Mega-Carcassonne)

* Visual Timeline
  - C1:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(1st_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(1st_edition))
  - C2:
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(2nd_edition) (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Visual_Timeline_(2nd_edition))

Spin-Offs

* Winter Edition (hub page):
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition)
 
* Winter Edition River:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition_The_River (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Winter_Edition_The_River)
 
* The Dice Game:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Dice_Game (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Dice_Game)
 
* CardCassonne:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Cardcassonne (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Cardcassonne)

Other pages

* Variants:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Variants)

* Timeline:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Timeline)
 
* Digital Versions:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Digital_Versions)
 
* Collections and Expansions:
  -
https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Collections_and_Expansions (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Collections_and_Expansions)



All your comments are welcome.

Cheers!
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 12:16:01 AM
Well TileReference. Nice job! Another private project is going to be gone ;-)
Ok. I'm man with numbers of suggestions.
1. When I'm searching for "Volcano" tiles, it will be good to hide all other tiles, not blur them.
2. Expansions names on left can be links to their pages
3. What about meet the JCloisterZone clarification where for example FFRR and FfRr means that fields are same and road same and FrRR means that road are devided ?
- examples FfRr basic game FrRR tower
4. Dividing C1 and C2 tiles hmm, I'll join in to same table. But it's my point of view ;-) All of us have mixed collection of tiles, so when searching some tile, than you have to check for first one section for example CCCC in C1 and then in C2.

anyway GREAT JOB guys (I know why ;-))

I have spoken.


Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Bumsakalaka on November 19, 2020, 12:21:38 AM
Anyway merit +1 +1
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 19, 2020, 11:19:23 AM
Well TileReference. Nice job! Another private project is going to be gone ;-)
Ok. I'm man with numbers of suggestions.

Not at all. I've been pondering many options and I have many ideas still in my head, but I wanted to release v1 to get some feedback... So thank you beforehand.  ;D

1. When I'm searching for "Volcano" tiles, it will be good to hide all other tiles, not blur them.

I wanted to add some options to the "Filters" tab:
* Features listed if all present vs. if any present (the latter is the current option)
* Hiding tiles vs. blurring tiles (the latter is the current option)
* Hiding expansions with no tiles visible vs. showning expansions with no visible tiles (the latter is the current option)
   - This one has an issue: the total count for expansions with no visible tiles 0/N will not be displayed so the total counts per expansions will not add up. I already tried this and it was somewhat confusing:

* A: 1/3 + B: 0/10 + C: 1/2 = Total: 2/15   <-- 0/10 visible
* A: 1/3  + C: 1/2 = Total: 2/15  <-- 0/10 hidden

I have to add the input fields to control this options yet.

Hiding tiles was my first option before blurring them but I found interesting knowing there were missing tiles because of the options I had chosen.

2. Expansions names on left can be links to their pages

This can be added... But this is also missing on the selectors for all the reference pages.

3. What about meet the JCloisterZone clarification where for example FFRR and FfRr means that fields are same and road same and FrRR means that road are devided ?
- examples FfRr basic game FrRR tower

This could be be cool to add, but maybe too much info for the average visitor... This could work as edge configuration subgroups.

This reminded me of this wonderful topic:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4350.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4350.0)

4. Dividing C1 and C2 tiles hmm, I'll join in to same table. But it's my point of view ;-) All of us have mixed collection of tiles, so when searching some tile, than you have to check for first one section for example CCCC in C1 and then in C2.

My initial idea was to implement 6 arrangements for tiles:

1) Edition / Edges / Expansions (the current one)
2) Edition  / Expansions / Edges
3) Edges / Edition / Expansions
4) Edges  / Expansions / Edition
5) Expansions / Edges / Edition
6) Expansions / Edition / Edges

But I decided to include only one arrangement to get all the basic issues sorted out for the time being. You are talking maybe of options 3 or 4.

anyway GREAT JOB guys (I know why ;-))

I have spoken.

Thank you!  ;D

So glad you liked it.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: wolnic on November 21, 2020, 05:18:38 AM
I've been trying to keep the Gold Rush Fan Expansions page up to date with the flurry of expansions by oldbonz ... you can see it here

https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Gold_Rush_Fan_Expansions (https://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Gold_Rush_Fan_Expansions)

Please let me know if I'm missing any.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 21, 2020, 06:06:40 AM
Hi wolnic!

There are two more available: The Lake (Winter version) and the Special Railroad Tiles...

Have fun!  ;D
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: cicerunner on November 29, 2020, 12:42:18 AM
Quote from: Bumsakalaka
Tile Reference. Nice job!
Another private project is [...] gone ;-)
You summed it up nicely. My very first private project was to try and create a tile reference for inexperienced players. And, very shortly after I joined CarcassonneCentral, Wolnic and Meepledrone were kind enough to support me by supplying the (then not quite complete) data describing all the edge configurations on tiles. I did create a thoroughly useable Google Sheet to allow a user to check the availability of a particular tile edge configuration (but didn't promote it here because it was incomplete.) But now of course you have done it so much better!

Which brings me to my feature request; can you add an option to hide all the detail on the tiles so that a simple reference list is produced. Like this:

CCCC ( City, City, City, City ): 0 / 4
CCCF ( City, City, City, Field ): 0 / 6
CCCR ( City, City, City, Road ): 0 / 3
etc

The above uses the current format of the text line describing each group of tiles. In a perfect world the following would be even better:

CCCC : 4
CCCF : 6
CCCR : 3
etc
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 29, 2020, 06:28:53 AM
The list you describe would be more like a tile reference cheat sheet, right? You could use it for tile counting too...  >:D
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: cicerunner on November 30, 2020, 07:48:53 AM
The list you describe would be more like a tile reference cheat sheet, right? You could use it for tile counting too...  >:D
It would. And you could ...

But my needs are much more innocent. Although I actively avoid learning the tile distributions - to make for more balanced play with casual players - inevitably, just by length of experience, I have acquired some knowledge. I'd like to be able to put together a small game - eg base + major + mini + mini - and hand my casual playing friends the 'cheat sheet' for the tile distribution - this would give them the advantage of perfect memory but still leave me with my strategic edge ...

If nothing else it would stop my friends accusing me of "only winning because you know all the tiles!"
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: cicerunner on November 30, 2020, 07:51:55 AM
I appreciate that the current implementation of tile reference is a little slow to load (?) so perhaps rather than implementing this by hiding all the unwanted information it could be done as a separate, faster loading, page with just this information on it - linked to from the same tile selector?

A subtle extension (which by the way I implemented in my Google Sheets version ;) ) would be to allow selection of multiple copies of the base game and expansions. This would be useful on the existing full information version too I think.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on November 30, 2020, 02:33:36 PM
The core part of the tile list is +750KB in order to be able to display or hide any tile configuration for all sets, expansions and their versions.

This new tile listing would require a more detailed selector (a number per expansion) and a shorter page, faster to load...   ;)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Sinscerly on December 02, 2020, 07:57:36 AM
I appreciate that the current implementation of tile reference is a little slow to load (?) so perhaps rather than implementing this by hiding all the unwanted information it could be done as a separate, faster loading, page with just this information on it - linked to from the same tile selector?

A subtle extension (which by the way I implemented in my Google Sheets version ;) ) would be to allow selection of multiple copies of the base game and expansions. This would be useful on the existing full information version too I think.

There is a way to load it faster >:D >:D, but Meepledrone wouldn't let me do it :-[

I found a way to load it faster, without obstructing editors from seeing "outdated" content. To bypass cache when you're logged in. But I will try to implement that this week and hope it works.
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Meepledrone on December 02, 2020, 08:27:22 AM
Ha ha ha!

You tried to gaslight me while creating the Tile Reference... I spent a whole weekend viewing pages that didn't match the text I was editing... Very puzzling...  ;)

Even so I got it done... Using several browsers and flusing my browser cache all the time... Very recomendable to exercise one's patience...  >:D

Seriously, I hope this new approach works great.  :(y) :(y)
Title: Re: WikiCarpedia update
Post by: Sinscerly on December 03, 2020, 02:33:03 AM
New update:

Currently fixed the issue for caching when people are logged in.

Note, the Wikicarpedia requests to a browser to local cache to. So there are less requests when people visit the same page over and over again (within a decent time frame).