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Title: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: jungleboy on February 15, 2016, 02:46:32 AM
The Completionism Poll is a weekly series where we ask how much of a completionist you are by breaking the game down into different expansions and elements. This week we look at Monasteries in Germany and Monasteries in the Netherlands and Belgium.

German Monasteries was released as a mini-expansion in 2014, with six tiles representing actual monasteries in Germany. Later that year, 999 Games in the Netherlands released a different version of the same expansion, with monasteries in the Netherlands and Belgium represented. There are also rumours of Spanish and Polish monastery expansions coming.

So, will you keep buying this same expansion for different countries if more are released? Or is one enough? Vote in the poll and discuss your thoughts below.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: hunnymonster on February 15, 2016, 02:49:25 AM
As long as they remain in the classic/traditional artwork I'll add them.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: jungleboy on February 15, 2016, 02:51:22 AM
As long as they remain in the classic/traditional artwork I'll add them.

Let me change the poll to add this option and you can vote again.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Paul on February 15, 2016, 02:54:22 AM
I'll get my hands on anything Carcassonne if the price is right. Old or new artwork.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Chooselife on February 15, 2016, 02:56:41 AM
I voted on the first one. (But who am I kidding, shut up and take my money.)
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Christopher on February 15, 2016, 03:01:30 AM
I have both German and Dutch Monasteries, and as the whole point of the separate release was the different artwork I consider both to be required for completion. Unlike, for example, Cathars/Siege which was less about the artwork and more licensing, etc, these have been released with the intention of having different art (and very nice artwork it is too).

I will also get them in the new art, because whilst I haven't got Carcassonne.2 yet, I most likely will because for one it's Carcassonne and for two I fear that sooner or later only new art will continue to be made. I'd hate to shoot myself in the foot by not buying a Monastery expansion when it's easily available and missing out later. I'm waiting for a Big Box and then I'll get version two.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: whaleyland on February 15, 2016, 04:05:33 AM
I voted for option one but I probably also will fold under option two if it becomes a reality. We'll have to see.

I consider them to be two art variants of the same expansion, but to me that means both are required. In many respects, I consider the 12 tiles a single expansion, but only if I replace the 6 Cloisters from the base game (which I really don't like doing). Otherwise, I usually add just one of the expansions to my game and keep the Cloisters. In Mega games, everything's in regardless (for all expansions – except for Wheel and City because I'm not going to use two of those).

I am a huge fan of the regional tiles, despite them NEVER representing anywhere in France (come on Filosofia Éditions – get in the game!!!). Honestly, variants like these are quickly diluting the French element of Carcassonne but I still love the artwork, regardless of the geographic location or period of construction (*cough*should always be medieval*cough*). I wish the new Cathedrals expansion were choosing at least historically vital cathedrals in Germany, not just modern-day popular ones, but I digress. I'll continue to buy any new and variant Carcassonne tiles so long as they are in the old art (new art...I'm still waiting and seeing what's in the pipeline...).
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Karcalijn on February 15, 2016, 04:13:21 AM
I've only got the Dutch monasteries and i dont want any other version because for now a only want dutch versions of Carcasonne.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: yimhj on February 15, 2016, 04:24:30 AM
I vote "Other" because I've got the Dutch Monasteries and, it's enough for me now but, if Spanish Monasteries (or French one day) will be released, I will buy them.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Valheru on February 15, 2016, 05:02:32 AM
Have the Dutch/Belgian monasteries and I bought them because I'm Belgian and seemed like a nice surplus to my collection. Haven't used them yet though. Doubt I'll buy more in the future, perhaps the Spanish ones if they look nice (and are made in the old artwork).
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: jungleboy on February 15, 2016, 06:26:51 AM
I'm a sucker for the monastery expansions - I really like the idea and the artwork, so I'll definitely buy more in the old art. France/Spain/Italy are the ones I really want!

As for the new art, I might cave in one of these days (let's see if there's a new art big box this year), but for now I voted only for old art.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on February 15, 2016, 10:57:39 AM
Unlike other variations, I actually own both of these! Makes me a bit of a hypocrite all the times I've rambled on about how owning different ones make no difference!

The reasoning is purely because I can get these very easily from Cundco whereas other variations I can't because I was quite late joining the game.

Also, owning more of these monasteries is fun, especially since only these 12 have the old style Abbot rule, unlike the rest of the monastery tiles and Germany Castles set.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Khonnor on February 16, 2016, 02:39:27 AM
Haha, the only official expansion(s) I don't own, nor want to own.

For some strange reason I'm fine with Crop Circles and Dragons in Carcassonne, but German or Dutch monasteries in France I'm not okay with...  :))

If there ever will be French monasteries, I might get those. But probably not.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: jungleboy on February 16, 2016, 03:43:31 AM
Haha, the only official expansion(s) I don't own, nor want to own.

For some strange reason I'm fine with Crop Circles and Dragons in Carcassonne, but German or Dutch monasteries in France I'm not okay with...  :))

If there ever will be French monasteries, I might get those. But probably not.

What about German castles and the upcoming German cathedrals?
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Khonnor on February 16, 2016, 04:55:01 AM
What about German castles and the upcoming German cathedrals?

Nope, guess that shows how much interest I have in those as I completely forgot about those.

Besides those, I have every official expansion with old artwork (as far as I know), including original cathars, siege and belagerers, windrose I&II, Corncircles I&II, River I-II-III....

Back on topic: no interest in country specific promos, like these german/dutch/whatever monasteries, castles and cathedrals. If they were French versions, I might get them if easily available (for example at Spiel or Cundco), but not a must. Anything else with old art, probably immediate must-buy.  :blue-meeple:
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: SRBO on February 16, 2016, 05:30:47 AM
What about German castles and the upcoming German cathedrals?

Nope, guess that shows how much interest I have in those as I completely forgot about those.

Besides those, I have every official expansion with old artwork (as far as I know), including original cathars, siege and belagerers, windrose I&II, Corncircles I&II, River I-II-III....

Back on topic: no interest in country specific promos, like these german/dutch/whatever monasteries, castles and cathedrals. If they were French versions, I might get them if easily available (for example at Spiel or Cundco), but not a must. Anything else with old art, probably immediate must-buy.  :blue-meeple:

There are so many expansions these days, that the world of Carcassonne no longer fits in France alone guys xd!, By now the tiles reached The Netherlands and totally covered Germany.

Napoleon all over again! hahah
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on February 16, 2016, 07:07:51 AM
What about German castles and the upcoming German cathedrals?

Nope, guess that shows how much interest I have in those as I completely forgot about those.

Besides those, I have every official expansion with old artwork (as far as I know), including original cathars, siege and belagerers, windrose I&II, Corncircles I&II, River I-II-III....

Back on topic: no interest in country specific promos, like these german/dutch/whatever monasteries, castles and cathedrals. If they were French versions, I might get them if easily available (for example at Spiel or Cundco), but not a must. Anything else with old art, probably immediate must-buy.  :blue-meeple:

Even though this expansion brings with it a totally unique rule which can yield more points than farmers in larger games (Abbot)?
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: JT Atomico on February 21, 2016, 10:31:27 AM
I own both expansions and quite like the look of the tiles, however they can be quite over-powered. Being lucky enough to draw more monasteries than your opponent can have a huge effect on the score, especially in a large game.

I will definitely buy more if they come out, regardless of which art they are in, but that is mostly because I would buy anything with Carcassonne written on it :P
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on February 21, 2016, 12:46:18 PM
I own both expansions and quite like the look of the tiles, however they can be quite over-powered. Being lucky enough to draw more monasteries than your opponent can have a huge effect on the score, especially in a large game.

I will definitely buy more if they come out, regardless of which art they are in, but that is mostly because I would buy anything with Carcassonne written on it :P

The power also comes with the option of turning your monks into abbots, which can yield more points than a farmer!
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Rosco on February 21, 2016, 01:24:16 PM
But you cannot place a monk and later change your mind and turn him into an Abbot.  You must choose when you place it.   

I was think of a variation in the rules which could combine the Abbot meeple with a German monastery.   I.e. A normal meeple is always a monk,  an Abbot meeple can choose and he can be scored as an Abbot and returned to your supply as your move the wood phase of your turn. 
- Draw a cloister
- place a meeple as a monk or an Abbot as a monk or add an Abbot.
- Score

- Draw a German monastery
- Place an Abbot as a monk or as an Abbot.
- score
.
- Draw any tile and place
- don't place any meeple
- return the Abbot
- score
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on February 21, 2016, 02:08:39 PM
Made a writing mistake! Was supposed to say 'the power also comes with the option of chlosing a monk or abbot, which can yield more points than a farmer!' Sorry for misleading you into believing something else
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: whaleyland on February 21, 2016, 02:32:00 PM
I think there should be a more general Abbot rule for the entire game, with or without the German/Dutch Monasteries:

• Each player begins the game with an Abbot.
• An Abbot may always be played on a Cloister as an Abbot following the rules of Abbots according to the German/Dutch Monasteries rules.
• Abbots may never be played as Monks; Monks may never be played as Abbots. They are mutually exclusive figures.
• Gardens (from Carcassonne II) count the same as Vineyards (from Hills & Sheep). Players may not place any Follower on either feature.

Bonus rule when playing with Cult Places:
• Abbots placed on Cult Places become Heretical Abbots.
• Heretical Abbots score the same as Abbots except on tiles that score for both an Abbot and a Heretical Abbot. Those tiles score 0 points for both players.

There. I've fixed the Abbots, the German/Dutch Monasteries, and the Cloisters/Cult Places all in one fell swoop. There can never be more than one Abbot/player on the board at a time tgus way. Honestly, this may be the way I always play from now on.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: yimhj on February 21, 2016, 09:39:05 PM
I like your rule Whaleyland. I think it is the better way to play with Abbots.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: Christopher on February 22, 2016, 01:34:36 AM
I think there should be a more general Abbot rule for the entire game, with or without the German/Dutch Monasteries:

• Each player begins the game with an Abbot.
• An Abbot may always be played on a Cloister as an Abbot following the rules of Abbots according to the German/Dutch Monasteries rules.
• Abbots may never be played as Monks; Monks may never be played as Abbots. They are mutually exclusive figures.
• Gardens (from Carcassonne II) count the same as Vineyards (from Hills & Sheep). Players may not place any Follower on either feature.

Bonus rule when playing with Cult Places:
• Abbots placed on Cult Places become Heretical Abbots.
• Heretical Abbots score the same as Abbots except on tiles that score for both an Abbot and a Heretical Abbot. Those tiles score 0 points for both players.

There. I've fixed the Abbots, the German/Dutch Monasteries, and the Cloisters/Cult Places all in one fell swoop. There can never be more than one Abbot/player on the board at a time tgus way. Honestly, this may be the way I always play from now on.

When you say Abbot, you are referring to the abbot meeple from CII, is that correct? Rather than the abbot placement of a regular follower? In this ruling then, regular followers cannot be played as abbots on a monastery, only the abbot meeple can be? Can the abbot meeple still be removed instead of deploying a follower, scoring as an abbot?
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #6: German/Dutch Monasteries
Post by: whaleyland on February 22, 2016, 03:28:47 AM
When you say Abbot, you are referring to the abbot meeple from CII, is that correct? Rather than the abbot placement of a regular follower? In this ruling then, regular followers cannot be played as abbots on a monastery, only the abbot meeple can be? Can the abbot meeple still be removed instead of deploying a follower, scoring as an abbot?
Yes, I am referring to the CII Abbot figure. Yes, only Abbots (CII) can be played as Abbots (German/Dutch Monasteries). I forgot about the move-Abbot ability but in this scenario, I don't envision the Abbot being moveable (although something like the Dragon, Tower, or Catapult could still displace it). That would be an interesting additional ability to try, though.