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Carc Central Community => General => Topic started by: SRBO on March 13, 2016, 09:36:20 AM
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Hello guys,
Lately I've been really wondering how much my Carcassonne collection is worth. So I was thinking, isn't there a way to create a system here on this forum to determine the value of each individual collection either in points or some kind of currency?
If there already is such a system please post me a link. If so sorry for the double post.
So I have an idea:
Most expansion can be bought in a store. Ofcourse this value is different in each country, this because of the difference in taxes or the presence of a distributor. Nevertheless we can create a formula that removes the tax. The value that then comes out is then the amount of points that 1 expansion or base game is worth.
So that is the idea for expansions which are still available.
For the expansions like cathars we can create a poll which ask the question how much do you think this expansion is worth? The same for limited editions and all unique parts.
In the end we have a very large list with the value in points for each item. A lot of work but..
It creates some kind of reference guide of how much an item is worth, so that one won't pay double the price for something..
Another reason to create an international system is because my complete collection isnt the same as some elses because of the difference in what ive payed for certain expansions..
The points can then be transfered if someone wishes to, in a factor for their country ( in the netherlands factor 1,21, because of the 21% tax. In New sealand a high factor because of the absence of a distributor.).
I was thinking to take Germany as the reference.
Let me know what you guys think!
Grtz
Steven
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I think this is an interesting idea :(y) I wonder how will you evaluate several rare mini expansions and even some non expansions rare artifacts such as 70 - score board.
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I think value and worth aren't necessarily the same thing.
I also don't want to know how much I've spent and how much my Carcassonne collection is worth. I don't necessarily think or expect they are the same.
At the end of the day you have to decide how much you're willing to pay for something. Some people cannot justify paying more than $1 a tile, while others can justify paying $20 more to avoid any hassle.
I suspect rarer items simply won't be sold very frequently and in my opinion this means they should be worth more (low supply and high demand), however others may feel that no piece of cardboard depicting the South French Countryside (or German I suppose) should be worth more than the original asking price and are happy to wait for a deal.
Given everything in the old artwork seems to now be out of print, you would think this would push prices up. But most people already have everything they want. I suspect a new market will form in the coming years now that Carcassonne 2 is becoming the norm, it will be interesting to see if HiG make similar 'mistakes' in the future.
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By making a separate post to ask what people payed for it and are thinking what it is worth in their point of view.
And I will do it also for the limited edition of carcassonne with the 70 scoreboard
Ofcourse only if more people think that it is a good idea
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:D
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:D
I laughed out loud, I can actually picture you just grinning (even though I don't actually know what you look like.)
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I know there is a website, or maybe just a program, that will calculate the value of your games by cross-referencing your BGG library with the average price paid on the BGG marketplace. I'm sorry I can't remember the link, so that's not very helpful, but perhaps someone can find it if they look hard enough. I'm not sure if it's possible to see the breakdown, but if so, you could simply add up all your Carcassonne stuff.
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I know there is a website, or maybe just a program, that will calculate the value of your games by cross-referencing your BGG library with the average price paid on the BGG marketplace. I'm sorry I can't remember the link, so that's not very helpful, but perhaps someone can find it if they look hard enough. I'm not sure if it's possible to see the breakdown, but if so, you could simply add up all your Carcassonne stuff.
This I take it? http://bggtools.com/
There is no downloading, simply put your username (sadly you can put any username here, so much for privacy).
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Yes, that's right. I just found it. That's true that it's not very private. It seems that they didn't consider using it for someone other than yourself when they made it.
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Oooh. $ $5,056.68 (mean) for 311 games, 23 of which have no value (because nobody's apparently sold them on BGG before). I'm honestly surprised, but I think I could also get more for some of my old Catan promos that haven't been available for a good decade now.
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Hmmz, according to the program, my Carcassonne collection is worth $911.67, with Corn Circles being the highest value at $66.
Interesting.
• Total Game Value (Mean): $5,229.23 ($20.11 / per game)
• Total Game Value (Median): $4,840.19 ($18.62 / per game)
•Total Games: 297 (including expansions)
•Games with no price: 37 (Never Sold on BGG Market Place)
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Total Game Value (Mean): $1,431.06 for 90 games. 6 games with $0.00.
If filter only Carcassonne related games: $810.11 for 57 items. Carcassonne Müller Exklusiv-Edition, Carcassonne: Corn Circles II and Carcassonne: Over Hill and Dale are with zero value :o.
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Just counted how much I paid everything I have regarding Carcassonne 1: 291 €
I just miss corn circle and cult siege creativity and have couple stuff in twice since I bought 2 big boxes.
Not bad, not bad
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I think this is an interesting idea but I’m not convinced that any mathematical/ provable method is the way to go. It’s very much a case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder; some people are prepared to spend more than others and what some people might think is a rip-off (“You paid £35 for 4 cardboard tiles?!”) could be a bargain to others (“You bought one of the rarest Carcassonne expansions ever for just £35!”).
I’ve almost certainly spent a lot more on my Carcassonne collection than it is worth if it’s worth is based on how much money I’d get for it if I tried to sell it tomorrow. This is partly down to me being impatient and partly because I didn’t really start collecting until the end of 2012/ start of 2013 when many of the rare/ valuable items had already been established. I don’t feel ripped-off though, regardless of what certain pieces cost when they were new. It’s like Decar says, price depends on supply and demand, and these are changing all the time.
The true worth of my Carcassonne collection comes from my owning everything that I own, and how this makes me feel. I feel great knowing that my collection is complete (almost) even though I’ve defined this “completeness” based entirely on my own standards. Is this feeling worth more than a million pounds? Definitely not. Is it worth more than £1000? Probably, yes. I don’t know what the exact value is, but I do know that it isn’t going to be determined by how much all of its constituent parts recently sold for on BGG or eBay...
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Cost:
$29 - Base game with River (Z-man)
$28 - Traders & Builders (Rio Grande without the watermark)
$20 - Abbey & Mayor (Z-man)
$18 - Hills & Sheep (Z-man)
$13 - German Castles + Das Fest
??? - 6 mini expansions (gift from wife)
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$108+ total
Priceless - fun had so far
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I think this is an interesting idea but I’m not convinced that any mathematical/ provable method is the way to go. It’s very much a case of beauty being in the eye of the beholder; some people are prepared to spend more than others and what some people might think is a rip-off (“You paid £35 for 4 cardboard tiles?!”) could be a bargain to others (“You bought one of the rarest Carcassonne expansions ever for just £35!”).
I’ve almost certainly spent a lot more on my Carcassonne collection than it is worth if it’s worth is based on how much money I’d get for it if I tried to sell it tomorrow. This is partly down to me being impatient and partly because I didn’t really start collecting until the end of 2012/ start of 2013 when many of the rare/ valuable items had already been established. I don’t feel ripped-off though, regardless of what certain pieces cost when they were new. It’s like Decar says, price depends on supply and demand, and these are changing all the time.
The true worth of my Carcassonne collection comes from my owning everything that I own, and how this makes me feel. I feel great knowing that my collection is complete (almost) even though I’ve defined this “completeness” based entirely on my own standards. Is this feeling worth more than a million pounds? Definitely not. Is it worth more than £1000? Probably, yes. I don’t know what the exact value is, but I do know that it isn’t going to be determined by how much all of its constituent parts recently sold for on BGG or eBay...
I do understand this. This is also one of the reasons why I need a list for what the average value of certain expansions are.
For example, I see a market auction for Cathars, 70 dollars for this.. now I really wanna know if this is below or above the average prices people bought it on this forum. Do I make a "profit" or is it a big rip-off and better to wait for an other auction.? So I go to the new list (that I want to create) and see that the average price is 35-55 dollar. Knowing that, I wouldn't pay 70 dollars for it, because this won't ever keep it's value. Ofcourse someone else would maybe buy it for that price.. but at least the veteran collectors warned me that it is an overpriced amount.
I just have the feeling that sometimes I pay too much (i'm impulsive..) and really want a reference of the older collectors. At the same time I feel a responsiblilty to warn new collectors for these money grabbers..
An example list of what I want to make is like this:
Carcassonne:€18-€24
Carcassonne 2000 edition: €25-€30
Carcassonne with 70 scoreboard: €?? -€??
The River: €4-€5
Inns & Cathedrals:€12-€14
Traders & Builders:€12-€14
The Cathars:€35-€55
The Princess & The Dragon:€12-€14
And so on.. above prices are in euro's.
The reason to create a point system is to easily convert to your own currency
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I think your problem is a veteran collector got hold of what ever you're looking at 10 years earlier when supply was higher. I'd pay $70 for Cathars if I didn't have two copies of it already, I thought they looked in good nick and the seller looks to be reputable and I couldn't buy it anywhere else for cheaper.
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Hi agree with Dan.
Nevertheless I don't want my wife to know my BGG username, and the value they figure it is just below the $500 mark.
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Hi agree with Dan.
Nevertheless I don't want my wife to know my BGG username, and the value they figure it is just below the $500 mark.
Would she poison your cupcakes and sell off the spoils of her act?
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Some things in my collection can't have a value assigned to them (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1943.0)
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So is it a NO-GO then?
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So is it a NO-GO then?
If it's something you're keen to see then I see no reason why you shouldn't pursue it. Just because a few of us struggle to see how it would work out, doesn't mean you shouldn't give it a go anyway and prove us wrong! :) :(y)
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Also, it's not a lot for a single tile that will become very rare in a year or so
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Maybe it would be better to determine a rarity of an item rather than its cost? The recommended price and rarity are usually a good way of determining an item's worth.
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Maybe it would be better to determine a rarity of an item rather than its cost? The recommended price and rarity are usually a good way of determining an item's worth.
As time goes on, our collections will be rarer! Even just the major first art expansions alone go for a lot these days.....
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With the release of Carcassonne 2 and some expansions, I thought I would resurrect this interesting post. How does Carc 2 affect the price of our Carc 1 collections?
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This thread gave a lot of negative comments. So I never continued this.
I imagine the value goes up for collectors of car 1 , but down for the common people who now gather the pieces for carcassone v2.
You can now consider yourself the owner of a unique collection which will never be reprinted again.
For me it's now more an achievement value. Then worth something like money. (Regardless of what I said before)
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It would be nice if, as you stated in a previous post, someone could come up with some round figures about the value of the tiles/expansions
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Seven
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Seven
I guess the currency is buttons?
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:(y)
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Maybe it would be better to determine a rarity of an item rather than its cost? The recommended price and rarity are usually a good way of determining an item's worth.
But this is something we can do?
But how would we determine it?
some kind of formula?
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What determines the rarity?
- Out of print? yes/no
- year of release, the more earlier, the more higher the rarity
- multiple editions, first edition is more rare then before
- big expansion/mini expansion
- printed by HiG or someone else.
- amount of releases (impossible to determine)
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So:
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I was trying to answer seriously. but it seems that yet again, this is all just a simple joke..
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I was quite serious: A formula like that can be used to determine a possible cost. The only issue is if one of the factors is wrong costs may vary from $70-billion to $0.07, but we can no doubt factor that into the error-bars.
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If we're trying to be serious about estimating actual monetary worth then I think condition needs to be a factor too as "mint (in shrink-wrap)" would appeal to a potential buyer much more than "used". Whether there are levels in between this, I don't know. Maybe. But most of the spin-offs I own are still in shrink-wrap so would hopefully be considered more valuable than they would be if I'd opened them and punched tiles etc. Everything being present in terms of components should be required the minimum standard.
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Then I apoligize for my previous post.
We can start with a rarity value of 100.
and eliminate value points, by some factors..
Out of print: yes = 0, no = -10 points
Age of expansion: year of release - release of carcassonne (example: die Katharer 2004 - 2000 = -4 points of rarity. Goldmines: 2012 -2000 = -12 points)
and so on..
This goes kind of OK. But we need to think of a lot of factors,
mostly, what makes the corn circle 1 be more rare then carcassonne itself?
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Remember there are two version of CC1: one is a shrink-wrapped set of 6 tiles available via Cundco, the other is the Carcassonne box that includes it.
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There were 2 print-runs of the shrink-wrapped versions - the greens are different :(y) :(y)
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Firstly, the financial value of your collection is the amount someone else is willing to pay for it.
Trying to put a fixed value on your own collection based on factors other than what someone else is willing to pay for it (i.e. the market value) seems a bit pointless to me. You can say, "I think my collection is worth $X," but if no one wants to buy it for that much, then it's not worth that. I'm sure we'd like to think that we have financially valuable collections but the truth is that the value of all of our collections is far less than we actually paid for them.
To take this further, you'd have to determine the resale value of second-hand items based on condition. Unless your collection is still in shrink wrap, we are talking about non-new items which are sold far less frequently and for less. Game components are not like old coins or old baseball cards or some other types of collectables where condition is important but 'newness' doesn't really exist.
Take the Cathars as an example using sale history on the BGG marketplace. There have been 142 sales and 131 of these (92%) were in new condition. Similarly, the Tunnels is 80/85 sales (94%) in new condition. The different currencies and the small sample size of the various non-new conditions mean that price comparison cannot be done accurately, but the takeaway for me is that people aren't that interested in buying non-new versions of even these rare expansions. Or perhaps precisely because they're rare, people fear fraud and only want new versions for which authenticity can be confirmed. Basically, there is not much market demand for your Carcassonne collection.
At the end of the day, our collections are extremely valuable to us personally mostly for sentimental reasons. This does not translate into re-sale value, which is the financial value. The actual dollar amount doesn't really mean anything to me since I won't sell my collection. But if I had to take a wild guess, I would be surprised if anyone would pay much more than €100 for my essentially complete Carcassonne 1 collection.
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Having said this - I actually paid more for an open/used copy of Cathars, just so I didn't have to open the sealed copy I had :(y) :(y)