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Carc Central Community => Official Rules => Topic started by: Maj. Frost on September 01, 2018, 06:41:29 AM
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Hello fellow members,
I would like to share with you the project that I have been working on for past few weeks and already had some discussions with Decar. I would love to get your opinion on that (positive or not) and your participation in it.
Current form of CAR is problematic to say the least. It is difficult to work on it by more than one person. This is why I came up with an idea of creating a WIKI on engine used by Wikipedia (later on I discovered that there were already ideas like that on CC, but I have not seen anything really put into action).
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Main_Page
What we get in the package?
- Multi user editing and versioning (duh). There is no more waiting for someone or some group of people to finish up to date version of CAR. Now everyone can create new page for latest expansion or correct errors. Well, by "everyone" I mean group of trustworthy people. I intend to allow editing only for authorized users. Recruited from carcassonne central or other forums.
- Mobile interface. Easy to find anything anywhere.
- "book creating". There is plugin to create "a book" from a subset of pages. This way anytime we can create PDF similar to current CAR.
- I have installed plugin for translation. This way we can create universal source for kids from all around the world.
Until now I have mainly worked on technical background and installing necessary plugins. I do not fell confident writing about the rules themselves. I would prefer to stay a technical person, taking care of the plugin and taking care that everyone knows how to work on it and keeping everything consistent. While allowing more experienced people to fill the content.
I intend to set up one account per day starting tomorrow, so I am able to control resources and eventual bugs. So stand up if you are willing to participate. I hope for a people that are willing to fill the biggest chunk, which are main rules.
It is set up in a way that only logged in users can edit.
There are some pages filled up already (do not forget to check how cool they look on mobile):
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Besiegers_Cathars_Siege_(1st_edition)
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Castles_in_Germany_(1st_edition)
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Klaus-J%C3%BCrgen_Wrede
If there are any errors there, do not hesitate to correct them.
I've put a draft of general guidelines that I thought of and answers to potential questions on a discussion tab of the main page:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Talk:Main_Page
If you have question regarding any particular page, there is discussion tab on each of them.
In case of any questions just ask. I am having German colleagues visiting Poland today, so I will not be available much for the rest of the day. I'll leave you be to think and comment on the idea.
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Seems like a great idea, indeed it may be a lot easier to do it that way.
If needed when I have the time I could help with technically stuff.
Probably I could help with transferring the rules we have till know and control
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when I have the time I could help with technically stuff.
The whole idea is that many people can contribute something when they have time instead of one investing half of his life.
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Yeah That's what I meant, a bit long day today. Next week will be better. But yeah, I would like to help a hand ;)
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Oh yeah. Let's start all together. Hopefully there will be a chance to export the whole rules. May somebody wants to create printouts or other documents
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This approach to updating the CAR looks amazing!!!
Believe or not, the CAR 7.4 has been my "bedside book" during this summer vacation and I'd love to see the CAR up to date. I'd be more than happy to help.
I'm fairly new to the community so I don't know much about the authorisations/permissions needed to work on the CAR 7.4 by obervet as a key source material.
As far as I know Just a Bill was working on the CAR 7.5 and the last preparatory posts I've seen disccussing WoF and junctions are from May this year. No news since then.
Let's see what the "elders" of the community have to say. ;)
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Your Wikicarpedia looks very promising to me.
There were some people on the forum a little bit back talking about having 2 separate CARs (one for the original artwork and one for the new artwork) and I think it would be a good idea to do the same for your Wikicarpedia.
Also, do you plan on copying directly from the CAR to start or is it going to be written from the ground up?
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It is a very good idea, I hope I can find the time to give my contribution to this project!!!
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Your Wikicarpedia looks very promising to me.
There were some people on the forum a little bit back talking about having 2 separate CARs (one for the original artwork and one for the new artwork) and I think it would be a good idea to do the same for your Wikicarpedia.
Yup, I have read some arguments regarding that and have addressed this on talk tab of main page. For me only absolutely valid one is that someone may want to use new version expansions with first version tiles. Weird but I can understand that. This can be addressed by adding rules for new expansions in "old" section, just with different annotations. Also by extending reference part of old version.
In the end I am strongly convinced that "new version" part should be clean and streamlined, without references to complicated history of old version. This is why the new version was created, not to have new graphics, but to have new clean start.
Also, do you plan on copying directly from the CAR to start or is it going to be written from the ground up?
What I have filled now is a direct copy of CAR, but for sure, for the new version it should be written from the ground up. As I have read on the CC the content of CAR was somewhat passed to the community. After all, looking at the credits of CAR it was created by the community and many people were involved.
BTW. We can refer to wikicarpedia as WICA.
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Great to see this taking shape MajFrost!
I hope as a community we can document all sorts of useful things on the WICA.
+1 merit from me!
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Thank you for a positive response so far. Even if we together fill 3-4 expansions a week, this may quickly get filled. Besides that Decar plans to fill the info about variants. Besides that there is place for house rules, profiles, reference guides etc.
For everyone that is willing to participate, please pm me with your mail address. As Rome was not build in a day I do not expect anyone to fill half of the WICA (unless you would like so :) ), but I hope for people that:
- would fill at least 4/5 pages
- are planning to use the WICA and will be able to spot errors in already created pages and correct them or discuss.
People that are experienced with using wikimedia and have some tips what can be enhanced are also welcomed.
Ps. The book plugin is at that stage in some development and PDF renderer is somehow turned off. Single pages can still be easily downloaded to PDF, but not in a batch. I hope It will be working at the point when WICA get filled so I can export it and everyone can use whole WICA also online or even order a printed copy (there is such option in this plugin).
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Looks cool. I’m a bit old fashioned and like a PDF so I’m glad there’ll be an option to make a book.
I mix and match both versions of the game. I realise this may cause some extra rule text so maybe there could be secondary part of the clarification for people who like to mix things up.
Noticed the 2nd lot of Russian promos are missing as are the Essen tiles
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Thank you for the remarks. Once we finish putting base stuff, it will be ongoing work of correcting and annotate. Still I intend to keep new version clean.
Russian promos are there by their names (baba yaga...)
I have added Spiel promos.
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It was the second set of promos I was referring to https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/215144/carcassonne-solovei-razboynik-and-vodyanoy
Cheers
Geoff
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Amazing idea!
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It was the second set of promos I was referring to https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/215144/carcassonne-solovei-razboynik-and-vodyanoy
Cheers
Geoff
Thank you, I have just put "Russian promos", which will include all tiles.
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Amazing idea!
Thank you. If you wish to join the team and do some translations, feel welcomed. Just pm me.
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The pages never load up properly on my iPad meaning as it is it’s not a reliable reference
Any idea why?
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The pages never load up properly on my iPad meaning as it is it’s not a reliable reference
Any idea why?
Hi there! I'd appreciate if you could pm Maj.Frost or me a picture so we can understand what you see. We are testing on different browsers (PC/Mac/Mobile) without a glitch till now. Thank you in advance.
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The pages never load up properly on my iPad meaning as it is it’s not a reliable reference
Any idea why?
Going to test it when home. Hopeful I can find it ^-^
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it’s not a reliable reference
I beg to differ sir. We work very hard to make reliable.
Joking aside. We will look into it. Any print screens from you will be appreciated.
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I've always enjoyed the CAR in PDF form as it made for easy consumption right from my iPad. Recently though its age has been showing since there's been a distinct lack of rules for German Castles and the Halflings within. I do feel that a wiki is a good way to go but I've often had a slightly different idea.
I often thought it would be amazing to have a mobile/web app optimized for phones and tablets where it could not only show you all the rules for any edition of the game but more so you could somehow select just the expansions you are using in your current particular game of Carcassonne and then it would only show you the rules and interactions for those expansions saving you from having to wade through all the rest. Given the current state of this wiki I do not know if this idea is a natural step in its evolution or if it is even possible but I'm excited at the idea of having something that is up to date and complete.
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We are working in that line, so you can create custom subsets of the rules at wil and even print a PDF out of if.
By the way, we have a first version of Halflings and German Castles online (clarifications from 10/2015 coming soon). Did you have a look? All your comments are welcome.
On WICA we have all Carcassonne base rules and expansions up to date in classic artwork and working on the new edition.
All volunteers are welcome of course.
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Oh, I forgot... we are also working on some spin-offs too... if you want to know how to play Safari, you can check WICA for a sneak peek. Currently under final revision... but we are progressing step by step every day.
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I have most of the New Art items and would not mind helping with this project in my spare time.
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Hi Mikeagan!
PM me an email address so we can create an account for you. Thanks!!
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Just taken my first look at your efforts and I am impressed.
+1 from me.
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Just taken my first look at your efforts and I am impressed.
+1 from me.
Thank you for kind words from WICA team. You too could help simply by using our site and commenting.
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For some reason my iPad really struggles to load the pages. This doesn’t happen with other sites
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For some reason my iPad really struggles to load the pages. This doesn’t happen with other sites
PM sent with some questions I have :)
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Amazing job. Good work guys!
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For some reason my iPad really struggles to load the pages. This doesn’t happen with other sites
Problem seems to be solved. O0
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The page looks amaizing. I have just noticed one thing, the Watchtowers description (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers) shows the The Fruit-Bearing Trees tile.
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The page looks amaizing. I have just noticed one thing, the Watchtowers description (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Watchtowers) shows the The Fruit-Bearing Trees tile.
Tnx, random tile on that page. Have fixed it :)
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I joined the project for french translation and i would like some help for checking my translation and help with others articles, so if my fellow citizen want to bring wikicarpedia to voltaire language just tell me :)
Merci =)
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Can I help with the Dutch translation of the site?
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Can I help with the Dutch translation of the site?
Hi Windekind!!!
You can join the for sure! Sinscerly is feeling very lonely with the Dutch translation. ;)
Send me a PM with your email and I will set up an acxount for you at wikicarpedia.com (http://wikicarpedia.com)
Merry Christmas!!!
PS:
BTW, I extend Eloniel's call to all other languages. We would need at least to native (gamer :red-meeple:) speakers per language to produce the best quality translations.
So far we have 1 American (Mikeagan), 1 British (wolnic), 1 Dutch (Sinscerly), 1 French (Eloniel), 2 Germans (Murphy013 and LRV), 1 Polish (Maj.Frost), 1 Spanish (Meepledrone - that would be me)
I'm feeling lonely too :'(
Cheers! ;D