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Carc Central Community => General => Topic started by: TheDoctor_13 on January 15, 2015, 04:44:14 PM
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I got this version for Christmas, I did have a choice and I choose this one. I mean why not go for the new one? And I liked art, it had more color and detail. But now I kinda feel like I shot myself in the foot since now I guess all the expansions arn't going to fit right, and it being mixed dosen't look to great.
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Nobody really knows what HiG will do moving forward re: expansions for the new art style (personally, I hope Carc 2.0 will be a one-and-done, and they'll stick with the old art for new releases, as many around here also feel).
Artistic compatibility with the expansions is certainly questionable, but the expansions are all technically compatible. The features all still fit together in the same way and the tile backs are the same design, so it is still playable. And I guess if you had to have a silver lining you can look at this way: It'll be even easier to sort out the expansion tiles from the base game if you buy the expansions in the old art style!
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Nobody really knows what HiG will do moving forward re: expansions for the new art style (personally, I hope Carc 2.0 will be a one-and-done, and they'll stick with the old art for new releases, as many around here also feel).
Artistic compatibility with the expansions is certainly questionable, but the expansions are all technically compatible. The features all still fit together in the same way and the tile backs are the same design, so it is still playable. And I guess if you had to have a silver lining you can look at this way: It'll be even easier to sort out the expansion tiles from the base game if you buy the expansions in the old art style!
Yeah I seen a lot of dis-taste on here, some still kinda like it though. I kinda hope they would atleast re-print some the extensions in the new style, like River II (Like they did with River 1), and Inns & Cathedrals and I would be fine. Not a whole lot interest in the rest. Possbily the mini expension of normal tiles, then maybe the half tiles. Though that also leaves out all the fan expansions though those are probably editable in photoshop if need be.
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HiG advertised this edition as graphic revision, they felt, the game would need after 15 years and somebody mentioned in the forum here, that they discontinued the contract with Doris Matthäus, the former artist. So although really know, what they will do, I think it is quite likely, that they will stick stick to this design in the future, like Kosmos did with "Settlers of Catan", where over the years until now three different designs of tiles had been produced.
So I think, they will make I&C at the least (since it is probably there best selling expansion?), as soon as it gets out of print in the new design, and maybe also most of the other big expansions, like "King, Cult & Count",which includes "The River 2". But I would be surprised, if all of the old mini expansions would be reprinted in the new artwork. Especially with the "Spielbox" expansions like "The Plague" I think it is a save bet, that they won't.
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HiG advertised this edition as graphic revision, they felt, the game would need after 15 years and somebody mentioned in the forum here, that they discontinued the contract with Doris Matthäus, the former artist. So although really know, what they will do, I think it is quite likely, that they will stick stick to this design in the future, like Kosmos did with "Settlers of Catan", where over the years until now three different designs of tiles had been produced.
So I think, they will make I&C at the least (since it is probably there best selling expansion?), as soon as it gets out of print in the new design, and maybe also most of the other big expansions, like "King, Cult & Count",which includes "The River 2". But I would be surprised, if all of the old mini expansions would be reprinted in the new artwork. Especially with the "Spielbox" expansions like "The Plague" I think it is a save bet, that they won't.
Didn't know that about the artist, since people don't really like the new edition that could be trouble. But I doubt much new BIG expansions will come anymore. The new style really aint that bad when actually looking at it in person, the grass is more natural, and the cities make sense, the lighter wall is because of the stone, and the ground is more muddy thus darker color, not to mention the more detail. I think I&C, T&B, P&D, River II are the most likely to come back in the new style.
Especially since the artist change, I don't think it'll be a one-off change, it is called Carcassonne 2/New edition afterall, not a seperate name
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I don't think, that most people really don't like the new artwork. But it is quite understandable, that:
- Nobody wants to buy all expansions again.
- New and old version don't mix well visually in the look of the board. (Although you could theoretical do it, because the back sides of the tiles are the same.)
- It is not likely, that all of the old expansions will be reprinted in the new artwork or all of the upcoming expansions will be released in the old artwork. So even if some of the old players are willing to buy all the new expansions for collecting reason, they would be restricted in their mixing and matchin in game. (Either don't mix tiles from any old-style exclusive expansions with any new-style exclusive or live with the visual flaw.)
Naturally, redesigning a game is always bad news for the lovers of the old one, at least, if it's one, which pumps out expansion like Carcassonne.
Personally, I do consider the new artwork nice as well. And if I would have known of it before, I might have waited a couple of weeks, to obtain it rather then the big box. But I am now very contend, that I did not. First, because I played the game quite a lot with family between Christmas time and New Years Eve. It would have been not the same, just with the base game, beside, we even had a couple of six players games. Second, the "new rules" are supposed to be easier to catch up at younger age. I read the German pdf, they are not! They are just embarrassing to be read if you are planning to obtain the game for an adult only gaming group. (And in my family group, there was just one six year old boy, who was taught the rules by me anyway, but for the rest, the others would have probably asked, why I want to play with them a dedicated "kids game", if they would have checked the rules.) Third, mentioned by danisthirty somewhere, HiG lost the opportunity, to further tweak the game with the new release. A score board with (at least) 100 points on the loop would have been an obvious improve, which could have been done.
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The Doctor, I made the same mistake. I can live with the fact that the tiles don't 'match' as it doesn't affect game play BUT what I'm not sure about is if the cities from Traders and Builders can be completed using the city tiles from the newest version of the base game? We originally thought they were meant to be two separate types of cities because the rooves on the houses in the base or blue and red but the expansion they are all red. However, from looking at pictures it appears in the old version of the base they were all red as well.
In sum, are these designed to be two different 'cities' that have to be completed with tiles from their own set or can you complete cities using tiles from other sets?
Thanks!
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All cities from both editions are meant to be the same, there is no difference. Same for roads and fields ...
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Perfect - thanks so much. I thought that was the case but the blue towers in the cities on the new base game confused us.
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I like the old artwork and the new artwork the same way that I like pizza and ice cream: both are good separately, but not necessarily together. That depends on your definition of together. I'll eat pizza and ice cream in the same sitting, but I don't put ice cream ON my pizza. It would turn into a mess pretty quickly.
I do not look forward to buying the common expansions a second time (which could be considered the third time, since I have two sets of tiles for some expansions thanks to Ted who put together an upgrade kit a few years ago), but I am likely to do so if that's the route that HiG decides to take. In that case, I would buy another plastic organizer (or finally venture into the realm of wooden storage solutions) and start a separate collection. This would probably also mean buying the meeple color sets again, which makes me feel sad, but my OCD insists upon it.
An official decision has not been made yet. I think HiG is waiting to see how well the new edition sells, to determine how many copies of the expansions they can hope to sell.
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I like the old artwork and the new artwork the same way that I like pizza and ice cream...
I like them the way I like pizza and...rhubarb. :P
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Well my mom suprised me with the I&C expansion. I question whether I should return it and wait to see if theres official word, keep it and maybe buy the new one while still having the old one (Not that interested in having a collection like most of you), or just try to not let it drive me crazy.
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(Not that interested in having a collection like most of you)
How many of us have said this? *raises hand*
19 expansions later...
>:D
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I like them the way I like pizza and...rhubarb. :P
:(y)
Pizza and broccoli for me.
(Not that interested in having a collection like most of you)
How many of us have said this? *raises hand*
19 expansions later...
>:D
:(y)
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I've orderd BC&B from a supplier and it's being pretty delayed. I did get the below from them though:
(My bold)
We do now have a reason for the delay though – they recently updated the main Carcassonne game and it’s tiles, so are updating the tiles in the expansions too. (The old tiles will still be on the back of the new ones so everything remains compatible)
This sounds like they're doing double-faced tiles, with no grey side to them?!
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I've orderd BC&B from a supplier and it's being pretty delayed. I did get the below from them though:
(My bold)
We do now have a reason for the delay though – they recently updated the main Carcassonne game and it’s tiles, so are updating the tiles in the expansions too. (The old tiles will still be on the back of the new ones so everything remains compatible)
This sounds like they're doing double-faced tiles, with no grey side to them?!
No no they mean that the old back is still the same on the new tiles.. so The grey side is still there
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:o Worst. Idea. Ever. That's just hedging, like they can't decide what they want to do so are just doing both. My respect for HiG is dropping right now.
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No no they mean that the old back is still the same on the new tiles.. so The grey side is still there
I'm not sure that's the case as the backs haven't changed between versions so the only "old" and "new" is the front.
This is only one reseller, and they might have got their wires crossed, but doesn't seem like a great idea. Would mean accidental glimpses of tiles in the bag would be quite easy, and the tile-hiding in Sheep & Hills becomes redundant.
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No no they mean that the old back is still the same on the new tiles.. so The grey side is still there
I'm not sure that's the case as the backs haven't changed between versions so the only "old" and "new" is the front.
This is only one reseller, and they might have got their wires crossed, but doesn't seem like a great idea. Would mean accidental glimpses of tiles in the bag would be quite easy, and the tile-hiding in Sheep & Hills becomes redundant.
Guys, believe me.. they will only use tiles with old on front or new on the front with both the same grey back.
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The very premise of the game depends on hidden backs, so there's just no way they'll print the tiles on both sides. The tile bag doesn't even come with the base game. In the original you're supposed to draw from face down stacks. I'm sure this is just poor phrasing.
That said, it's beginning to sound like they're definitely switching to new art across the board if your reseller is to be believed, instead of 2.0 being a one-off. In that case, sounds like my collection is nearing completion, because there's no way I'm buying anything with that cartoony art. I've got enough of an OCD problem that it would drive me crazy to have mismatched fronts and I'm just not going to own two copies of everything. My money can be better spent. Not sure why they feel the need to alienate their biggest fans by blowing up their collections like this. How many new people are really gonna be drawn to the game because of a redesign? Sigh...
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The very premise of the game depends on hidden backs, so there's just no way they'll print the tiles on both sides. The tile bag doesn't even come with the base game. In the original you're supposed to draw from face down stacks. I'm sure this is just poor phrasing.
That said, it's beginning to sound like they're definitely switching to new art across the board if your reseller is to be believed, instead of 2.0 being a one-off. In that case, sounds like my collection is nearing completion, because there's no way I'm buying anything with that cartoony art. I've got enough of an OCD problem that it would drive me crazy to have mismatched fronts and I'm just not going to own two copies of everything. My money can be better spent. Not sure why they feel the need to alienate their biggest fans by blowing up their collections like this. How many new people are really gonna be drawn to the game because of a redesign? Sigh...
My thoughts exactly!
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We do now have a reason for the delay though – they recently updated the main Carcassonne game and it’s tiles, so are updating the tiles in the expansions too. (The old tiles will still be on the back of the new ones so everything remains compatible)
This sounds like they're doing double-faced tiles, with no grey side to them?!
Sounds like the guy misspoke, and was trying to say the new tiles will still have the grey backing with the letter C: "The old tiles..." equals "The old tile backs...". That would be in keeping with HiG's and Z-Man's claim that the new and old tiles are "compatible" just because they have the same back. :-\ If only the game were played upside down...
What is interesting is that he claims they are updating the expansions. As far as I know there has been no official statement to that effect. So either he is in the know much more deeply than we are, or he is generalizing and not correct.
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We do now have a reason for the delay though – they recently updated the main Carcassonne game and it’s tiles, so are updating the tiles in the expansions too. (The old tiles will still be on the back of the new ones so everything remains compatible)
This sounds like they're doing double-faced tiles, with no grey side to them?!
Sounds like the guy misspoke, and was trying to say the new tiles will still have the grey backing with the letter C: "The old tiles..." equals "The old tile backs...". That would be in keeping with HiG's and Z-Man's claim that the new and old tiles are "compatible" just because they have the same back. :-\ If only the game were played upside down...
What is interesting is that he claims they are updating the expansions. As far as I know there has been no official statement to that effect. So either he is in the know much more deeply than we are, or he is generalizing and not correct.
I'm pretty sure that this just the sellers supposition. Something like "Oh, new Carcassonne. Then there will be new expansions too!" Well, let's hope that this is a bad shot. ;)
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I'm not inclined to believe this until I hear it from an official source.
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Hi everyone (first post poster here!) :)
I got into Carcassonne at the tail end of last year, at which time I had no idea about the change in art styles nor the vast amount of expansions available. So as it happened, I ended up with the new artwork base set.I really like the new artwork, I'd probably say I like it more than the old style.
Anyway to add my bit on the 'compatibility issue', I've bought a number of expansions (traders & builders, Bridges, Castles & Bazzars, Hills & Sheep, and all the mini expansions) to go with my new version Carcassonne. I've read a lot of the discussions regarding the clash between the new and old artwork, but have to say I really don't mind the difference when playing games. I don't think it impacts the game at all, and I think there has been an over-reaction on here about how much of an issue this is.
I've been speaking to my local boardgame shop owner about this and he seems sure that at the moment they are reprinting the mini-expansion in the new artwork.
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I've read a lot of the discussions regarding the clash between the new and old artwork, but have to say I really don't mind the difference when playing games. I don't think it impacts the game at all, and I think there has been an over-reaction on here about how much of an issue this is.
Hi Murno, welcome to the forums and thanks for your input on old v new artwork. To be honest, I think it depends on what kind of person you are. I don't own v2.0 and so I've only seen pictures of the tiles mixed together, but personally, I would never mix them because it would just bother me too much. Even little art differences in the colours of the old artwork annoy me (e.g. the colouring of the Cathars, the darker fields of Plague/Festival etc). Of course, I realise that not everyone is this pedantic and I'm sure there are plenty of players who don't mind mixing tiles. But I think it might be fair to say in general that the game tends to attract people who are drawn to the neatness of the landscape and the way it all fits together - and mixing tiles does affect this visualisation (though not the gameplay itself).
Maybe one conclusion might be that the ratio of pedantic people is higher in Carcassonne fandom than in the real world. :)
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I've read a lot of the discussions regarding the clash between the new and old artwork, but have to say I really don't mind the difference when playing games. I don't think it impacts the game at all, and I think there has been an over-reaction on here about how much of an issue this is.
Hi Murno, welcome to the forums and thanks for your input on old v new artwork. To be honest, I think it depends on what kind of person you are. I don't own v2.0 and so I've only seen pictures of the tiles mixed together, but personally, I would never mix them because it would just bother me too much. Even little art differences in the colours of the old artwork annoy me (e.g. the colouring of the Cathars, the darker fields of Plague/Festival etc). Of course, I realise that not everyone is this pedantic and I'm sure there are plenty of players who don't mind mixing tiles. But I think it might be fair to say in general that the game tends to attract people who are drawn to the neatness of the landscape and the way it all fits together - and mixing tiles does affect this visualisation (though not the gameplay itself).
Maybe one conclusion might be that the ratio of pedantic people is higher in Carcassonne fandom than in the real world. :)
Hi Jungleboy , thanks for the welcome :)
Yeah I understand everyone will have different aspects of the game that they appreciate more. I think for me right now, it's more about the gameplay itself rather than aesthetics. But if I had been playing a long time and amassed a bigger collection, my opinion might be different :green-meeple:
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Hi Murno, welcome from me too! :(y)
I think that a lot of the backlash stemmed from the suggestion that people would be forced to either re-buy everything in the new style or stop building their much-loved collections altogether. And there was very little information about what the future was going to hold for us either.
It now seems this is becoming less and less of a suggestion and more and more of a fact, so these frustrations are justified in my opinion even though they don't hold for me personally as I'm not fussed about mixing the two different artwork styles either...
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I'm curious now. Seems quite a lot of HiG expansions went out of print around the beginning this year and till now there had been no reprint of them for several months? I didn't believe it at first, but now I'm starting to get doubts, if they will ever reprint the expansions in the new artwork, or they are maybe at least taking their time reconsidering this. Or had they always waited so long before reprinting the main expansions?
I would not have taken the "Castles in Germany" as a hint for that, because that was a mini aiming at the old fans, but maybe there will be some hope after all for new big expansions in the old art again. I still would not believe, that they would aim for further releases of old and new versions. I'm still pretty sure, that they will either change completely to new artwork or give it a blow as something, which did not work out the way, they initially thought.
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While CundCo at least seams to have at least there amount of mayor eypansions, Z-Man Games (http://zmangames.com/product-details.php?id=1092) now lists 1-3 and 5 as "out of stock". Even stranger, I did not find any trace of the "Carc 2" version of the site, while the original version is listed and in stock. Looks to me like a reconsideration, that the new version wasn't that good idea after all, otherwise, they would at least feature this version as "out of print".
In the meantime in BGG Forum (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1379478/traders-builders-out-print) the people are "guessing", that the expansions will be reprinted in new artwor, soon, but there hadn't been any hint for that, had there?
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While CundCo at least seams to have at least there amount of mayor eypansions, Z-Man Games (http://zmangames.com/product-details.php?id=1092) now lists 1-3 and 5 as "out of stock". Even stranger, I did not find any trace of the "Carc 2" version of the site, while the original version is listed and in stock. Looks to me like a reconsideration, that the new version wasn't that good idea after all, otherwise, they would at least feature this version as "out of print".
In the meantime in BGG Forum (https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1379478/traders-builders-out-print) the people are "guessing", that the expansions will be reprinted in new artwor, soon, but there hadn't been any hint for that, had there?
Carcassonne 2 is there just much further down the list of Carcassone products on z-man . It shows as out of stock but due for a reprint.
REPRINT IN PROGRESS - DUE TO RETURN Q3 2015
http://zmangames.com/product-details.php?id=1714
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Ah, OK, thanks. I was googeling for "z-man games", followed the link for "Carcassonne" and saw, that all of the expansions were listed and linked there on the side, but not the new version. So, I assumed, they removed it. Oddly enough, it is not featured on the starting page, either, while the old version you'll find, when klicking on "best sellers", so you really have to know, what to search for, when you want to find this version.
However, although it still seams like "guessing", it's probably a safe guess, that they will redo the expansions, too. Otherwise they would not bother reprinting the new version of the BG, rather let the old version getting oop, and then reprinting that one.
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I don't like the new look. Nor do I like that the base game has rule changes however minor. I just don't see the point.
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The very premise of the game depends on hidden backs, so there's just no way they'll print the tiles on both sides. The tile bag doesn't even come with the base game. In the original you're supposed to draw from face down stacks. I'm sure this is just poor phrasing.
That said, it's beginning to sound like they're definitely switching to new art across the board if your reseller is to be believed, instead of 2.0 being a one-off. In that case, sounds like my collection is nearing completion, because there's no way I'm buying anything with that cartoony art. I've got enough of an OCD problem that it would drive me crazy to have mismatched fronts and I'm just not going to own two copies of everything. My money can be better spent. Not sure why they feel the need to alienate their biggest fans by blowing up their collections like this. How many new people are really gonna be drawn to the game because of a redesign? Sigh...
"Alienated" is a good way to describe how I feel. A large part of why I enjoy this game is that I find it fun to see a beautiful city built on my table and even if it is OCD or pedantic, the truth for me is it is less fun to build a mis-matched city. I won't be buying anything with the Carc 2 artwork, so if that is all they release from here on out then they've lost another (previously obsessed) customer.
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Any news about this matter ? Is Carcassonne will have expansion ver 2.0 or what ? Since I'm new in Carcassonne, before i collect all the expansion. Waste money to collect double thing
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Hi a1215121270, welcome to the forums! :(y)
You may be interested in the following post:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1917
I could be wrong, but it seems from this as though Carc 2.0 is here to stay now that the major expansions are being released with the new artwork.
Hope this helps.
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Thanks for the warm welcome, nice to meet all of you guys :)
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Welcome to the forum HongMing!
I expect the new Carcassonne Expansions will be available around Essen 2015.
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My opinion about this, it doesn't matter if carcassonnr release the new version which is called 2.0 as long as they stop production the old version. And the winning point of new version if they release an expansion that the old one doesn't have. Of course for new version must release all the available expansion.
People will stop buying the 2.0 if the old version still release a new expansion.
What do you think guys ?
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My opinion about this, it doesn't matter if carcassonnr release the new version which is called 2.0 as long as they stop production the old version. And the winning point of new version if they release an expansion that the old one doesn't have. Of course for new version must release all the available expansion.
People will stop buying the 2.0 if the old version still release a new expansion.
What do you think guys ?
but i dont want to spend another 300-400 euro just to have my entire collection updated to 2.0.. i think that is the problem of most people.
I will only buy carcassonne 2.0 the base game + unique expansions to 2.0. but i prefer they keep updating the old style..
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My opinion about this, it doesn't matter if carcassonnr release the new version which is called 2.0 as long as they stop production the old version. And the winning point of new version if they release an expansion that the old one doesn't have. Of course for new version must release all the available expansion.
People will stop buying the 2.0 if the old version still release a new expansion.
What do you think guys ?
but i dont want to spend another 300-400 euro just to have my entire collection updated to 2.0.. i think that is the problem of most people.
I don't necessarily have a problem with you spending 300-400 euros to update your entire collection to 2.0... O:-)
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My opinion about this, it doesn't matter if carcassonnr release the new version which is called 2.0 as long as they stop production the old version. And the winning point of new version if they release an expansion that the old one doesn't have. Of course for new version must release all the available expansion.
People will stop buying the 2.0 if the old version still release a new expansion.
What do you think guys ?
but i dont want to spend another 300-400 euro just to have my entire collection updated to 2.0.. i think that is the problem of most people.
I don't necessarily have a problem with you spending 300-400 euros to update your entire collection to 2.0... O:-)
:o No? I was under the impression you liked me!
On a serious note though. If there will be a bigbox with the entire new collection, i wont deny i wont buy it if for a good price
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You can buy the old and the new as you see fit, for the tiles themselves do, well, fit. :)
It's a matter of graphic style clash that many have an issue with. Even I am somewhat hesitant when it comes to mixing old and new.
But in the end I love collecting tiles more than worrying about conflicting graphics. What really made my decision to stop worrying about this is that even the old art clashes heavily that it makes no difference anymore. The Plague and Big Box 5 are good examples when comparing to the older sets.
Paul :yellow-meeple:
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but i dont want to spend another 300-400 euro just to have my entire collection updated to 2.0.. i think that is the problem of most people.
I don't necessarily have a problem with you spending 300-400 euros to update your entire collection to 2.0... O:-)
:o No? I was under the impression you liked me!
Of course I do ;D :(y)
However, I also suffer from an unfortunate inability to resist any opportunity for sarcasm!
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It will be suck if we already collect all the expansion series in old style and of course you will hope that carcassonne old style still release the new expansion. But what will happen or will you do if there will be no more old style release anymore for new expansion ? And all the new expansion will release in ver 2.0 ?
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It will be suck if we already collect all the expansion series in old style and of course you will hope that carcassonne old style still release the new expansion. But what will happen or will you do if there will be no more old style release anymore for new expansion ? And all the new expansion will release in ver 2.0 ?
If this happens I will buy two copies to the wood components, and will use the tiles for doing the same with the old graphics.
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English versions available to pre-order on mini-market:
http://www.miniaturemarket.com/catalog/product/view/id/47753/s/zmg78101/
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So has there been any official word on future plans for Carcassonne 2.0 -- e.g. what expansions they plan to release -- and if there will ever be any reprints or further expansion for Carcassonne 1.0?
I feel like I've discovered this game at an awkward time in terms of deciding what products to purchase (1.0 or 2.0) and whether or not to wait. If I knew everything (or most everything) was going to come out in 2.0 during the next few years, that would be great... but I'm guessing we have no such word from HiG/Z-man/etc., right?
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So has there been any official word on future plans for Carcassonne 2.0 -- e.g. what expansions they plan to release -- and if there will ever be any reprints or further expansion for Carcassonne 1.0?
I feel like I've discovered this game at an awkward time in terms of deciding what products to purchase (1.0 or 2.0) and whether or not to wait. If I knew everything (or most everything) was going to come out in 2.0 during the next few years, that would be great... but I'm guessing we have no such word from HiG/Z-man/etc., right?
The old and new art are compatible.
Even the old art in itself also vary a lot going expansion to expansion side by side.
It all comes down to this: How important is it to have matching art?
Heroes of Might and Magic, the board game, you have tiles that randomly placed as the exploring goes and they don't even match at all, and this is within the rules. A river can flow to the edge of a tile and have an adjacent tile being grass for example.
So this a vanity decision to make, sort of. Me, personally, I like the old art more and would have wished they'd continue with it for these are more camera friendly than the new art.
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I'm with you, Paul, in liking the old art more.
And I'm definitely in the camp that would strongly prefer to have the artwork match up, appreciating the visual aspect of the game. Minor color differences between some of the 1.0 expansions (e.g. Castles in Germany looks quite a bit darker to me) are fine by me, but a fully different style of art is enough to sway me away from buying conflicting expansions... hence my question.