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Scoring Question
« on: May 03, 2017, 11:31:45 AM »
If you place a tile that completes more than one UNOCCUPIED cities and/or roads, do you get points for all completes or just one?

Theoretically, it would be like putting more than one  :neutral-meeple: down but I would like clarification, please.  I couldn't find this situation addressed in the rules.

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #1 on: May 03, 2017, 11:40:23 AM »
If you place a tile that completes more than one UNOCCUPIED cities and/or roads, do you get points for all completes or just one?

Theoretically, it would be like putting more than one  :neutral-meeple: down but I would like clarification, please.  I couldn't find this situation addressed in the rules.

Unless you are playing with the Phantom expansion, you can only put one meeple down per turn, so your best bet is to put it on whatever gives you the most points (4 point city is better than a 3 point road). 


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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #2 on: May 03, 2017, 11:45:50 AM »
If a city or road is unoccupied you don't receive any points. Only if you own the city or street you'll receive the points by completing it. This is how we used to play it.

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2017, 03:22:30 AM »
... and that's how it is played correctly. Also you have to have at least one meeple in supply to score anything in this occasion.

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2017, 10:44:49 PM »
Mornin All

This might not be a scoring issue but we were playing a mega game this weekend with the festival tiles, and had an issue with removal of a follower that im hoping someone would be able to assist me with clarifying the rule. when one has a follower and Builder in a castle and you draw a festival tile can you remove the follower(regular meeple) that will in turn automatically remove builder as well?

Reason im asking is that ive read through the CAR and there is no scenario covering this situation? as to my knowledge a builder cannot be alone in a city or are you in this case only allowed to remove builder that will leave your follower stuck in the city??

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2017, 11:35:06 PM »
Hi GinCarc!
Its a bit of a tricky one. In earlier rules, the Builder was concidered to be a follower, and would remain on its on if a knight was to be removed from the city (or thief from the road), by means of festival, dragon, princess, plague etc.
Later the rules stated that a builder is not a follower. It still is affected by the dragon and plague, but not by the festival or the WoF plague.
Id say the builder will be removed together with the knight if he is removed.
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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2017, 01:43:35 AM »
Hi GinCarc!
Its a bit of a tricky one. In earlier rules, the Builder was concidered to be a follower, and would remain on its on if a knight was to be removed from the city (or thief from the road), by means of festival, dragon, princess, plague etc.
Later the rules stated that a builder is not a follower. It still is affected by the dragon and plague, but not by the festival or the WoF plague.
Id say the builder will be removed together with the knight if he is removed.

It is a tricky situation, we do remove both the builder and follower with the festival tiles currently as we do not consider the builder as a follower. It like the sheperd rule you cannot have a flock without a sheperd  :))

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2017, 01:46:41 AM »
Yeah, I can't imagine any scenario where a builder would stay on the board if the player who it belongs to no longer had a meeple on that feature.

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2017, 02:10:27 AM »
My brother uses the 'old' rules, since he started playing years back when they where followers. So he likes to use it for trapping peoples builders in a incomplete city/road without follower. So when the knight/thief is removed by any means other than compling the feature, the builder is trapped.

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #9 on: May 05, 2017, 11:35:02 AM »
I agree with removing the builder; but much more importantly, the CAR agrees, too!

Quote from: CAR 7.4 p. 37
  • If the last farmer of the owner of the pig is removed from the farm with the pig,
    then the pig is also returned to the player.59
59 This is a consequence of the rule that builders and pigs are not followers, and it also applies
when the last thief or knight is removed from a road or city which includes the builder. Under the old
rules, the builder or pig remained in play, and the builder continued to generate double-turns. Under
the current rules, the builder and pig are dependent on followers for deployment, and cannot remain
in play without them.
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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2017, 02:25:11 PM »
Later the rules stated that a builder is not a follower. It still is affected by the dragon and plague, but not by the festival or the WoF plague.
It also worth mentioning, that builder can be removed by the festival tile:
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return one of one’s own figures from the entire playing area to his or her supply.And footnote 372:
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All of one’s own figures are meant here, including normal and big followers, wagon, mayor, builder, pig, and barn.
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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2017, 11:27:28 PM »
Later the rules stated that a builder is not a follower. It still is affected by the dragon and plague, but not by the festival or the WoF plague.
It also worth mentioning, that builder can be removed by the festival tile:
Code: [Select]
return one of one’s own figures from the entire playing area to his or her supply.And footnote 372:
Code: [Select]
All of one’s own figures are meant here, including normal and big followers, wagon, mayor, builder, pig, and barn.

I think all off us at least agree the builder can be removed, the question was that when you remove your follower if your builder also gets removed. i think the rules related to the Farmer and pig give us some clarity on what HiG were thinking. so it comes down to the type of game one plays, if you see the builder as a follower then he remains on the city when the knight is removed but if you dont see the builder as a follower then he will automatically get removed by removing the follower/Knight.

My only though about the rule where your builder stays in a city after your meeple is removed, does this not stand in direct opposition to the placement rule that states a builder can only be placed in a city one owns? if so surely the builder cannot stay in a city one no longer occupies?


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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2017, 03:44:31 AM »
This should put all questions to rest. Official rules from the English booklet by Z-man Games:


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"Your builder is always returned to your supply if you no longer have meeples on that feature.
  This usually occurs after scoring, but some expansions introduce other ways in which this can happen."

This is for the new art version but the consensus is to always use the latest rules.
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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2017, 03:54:28 AM »
This should put all questions to rest. Official rules from the English booklet by Z-man Games:


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"Your builder is always returned to your supply if you no longer have meeples on that feature.
  This usually occurs after scoring, but some expansions introduce other ways in which this can happen."

This is for the new art version but the consensus is to always use the latest rules.

Great thanks Paul!

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Re: Scoring Question
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2017, 11:02:06 AM »
I think all off us at least agree the builder can be removed, the question was that when you remove your follower if your builder also gets removed.
The answer to that question already has been given, I just pointed to another statement, which wasn't true (bold one):
Later the rules stated that a builder is not a follower. It still is affected by the dragon and plague, but not by the festival or the WoF plague.


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