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Offline rfielder

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The Princess and the Phantom
« on: November 03, 2014, 12:07:29 PM »
Per the discussion in the section "JCloisterZone FAQ, Suggestions & Bug Reports", titled "Princess<-->Phantom rule clarification", at:
//www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1214.0

I would like to ask for an official clarification.

The rule for the Princess, as found on page 57 of the CAR, states:
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If a knight is removed from the city, the player may not deploy or move any other figure (including follower, builder, pig, mayor, barn, wagon, or fairy)

On page 125 of the CAR, footnote #386, a partial quote of the rule from page 57 is used to justify saying that:
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The placement of a princess tile (Princess & Dragon) with removal of a knight from the city cannot be used as a first “follower move” and be followed by placement of the Phantom (e.g. into the now-vacated city).

The footnote on page 125 of the CAR is an interpretation of the rules.  I would suggest that this interpretation needs official clarification, for several reasons.

I suspect that the rule for the Princess was created before the Phantom was introduced.  The rule makes sense, in that removing a knight is the "move the wood" turn.  Therefore, you should not be able to do anything with any of the pieces identified.

However, the placing the Phantom always follows "move the wood". 

Also, if this rule applies to the Phantom, it creates an exception to how the Phantom is used.  The use of the Phantom is consistent for all other situations, creating some very powerful game changing situation.

Therefore, I am not clear if this rule should or does apply to the Phantom.

If the Princess rule does apply to the Phantom, then it would be good if the official rules could be updated to identify the Phantom in the list of pieces that can not be moved.

If the Princess rule does not apply to the Phantom, it would be very good to get an official ruling to this effect.

Thank you.

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1222.0
Robert Fielder
Brampton, Ontario, Canada  EST

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Re: The Princess and the Phantom
« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2014, 12:03:50 PM »
Footnote 386 on page 125 of CAR 7.0 is not just an "interpretation" of the rules. The little book icon in front of it indicates that this is an official clarification from HiG. Thus, the publisher has decided that the rule from the Princess (no placement of any further figure) supersedes the phantom rule.

Yes, this creates an exception to the use of the phantom. But if you played it the other way, that would create an exception to the use of the princess.

Thus, the official ruling is as it is written in the CAR.


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