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Title: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on August 29, 2014, 01:54:47 PM
Milan-Spiele

This is what I have found at Milan-Spiele:


Carcassonne (neue Edition) (http://www.milan-spiele.de/carcassonne-neue-edition-p-17248.html) for 21,30 EURO
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The normal
Carcassonne - base game (http://www.milan-spiele.de/carcassonne-p-2068.html) costs only 16,50 EURO
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What does that mean - any ideas?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Rosco on August 29, 2014, 01:59:36 PM
I have seen that too
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on August 29, 2014, 02:17:15 PM
Rather odd. Increased prices often mean new components. Kettlefish, are you hiding something? Hmmm?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on August 29, 2014, 02:30:59 PM
Rather odd. Increased prices often mean new components. Kettlefish, are you hiding something? Hmmm?

Moritz Brunnhofer told me that there will come something and he likes to surprise me too.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on August 29, 2014, 05:46:24 PM
Base game with some inane expansion that will be impossible to get hold of in any other way for a couple of years? It would not be the first time, but I do hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on August 29, 2014, 07:16:28 PM
I rather suspect it's Hills & Sheep and River I (new edition) with the base game. They seem to be on a Hills & Sheep kick right now.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on August 29, 2014, 08:58:36 PM
I rather suspect it's Hills & Sheep and River I (new edition) with the base game. They seem to be on a Hills & Sheep kick right now.

Could be. It would only validate what I just said though.  >:(
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on August 29, 2014, 09:37:50 PM
Sorta-kinda. I mean, River I (new) is already available in the Big Box 5 while Hills & Sheep is available separately. I think if they released River I as a part of a oversized box like this, it would actually support my assumption that River I will release on Cundco.de with the new artwork tiles sometime soon.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on August 30, 2014, 04:39:31 AM
I hope there will be no new plastic...
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on August 30, 2014, 06:13:03 AM
It is good in any case that HiG continues to support and promote this great game. It does not show signs of slowing down anytime soon.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on August 30, 2014, 06:39:42 AM
Maybe just a new print..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Khonnor on August 31, 2014, 05:18:13 AM
Well, there is a new edition coming in The Netherlands as well, which will include the German Monasteries Promo.

So, maybe that will be it for other countries as well?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on August 31, 2014, 05:30:09 AM
Well, there is a new edition coming in The Netherlands as well, which will include the German Monasteries Promo.

So, maybe that will be it for other countries as well?
Hi Khonnor,
that is an interesting information.
Do you have a link to the new from the Netherlands?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Khonnor on September 03, 2014, 12:01:32 AM
that is an interesting information.
Do you have a link to the new from the Netherlands?

Yes, sure...here it is on bol.com
It has just become available, for 31 euros!

http://www.bol.com/nl/p/spel-carcassonne-mini-uitbreiding-kloosters-bordspel/9200000027680037/
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Hylian87 on September 03, 2014, 12:57:16 AM
Are we sure those are the German monasteries? There was talk about having different monasteries for different countries and I remember the Netherlands being mentioned ... Why would they include German monasteries in a Dutch game?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jéré on September 03, 2014, 03:09:46 AM


Yes, sure...here it is on bol.com
It has just become available, for 31 euros!

http://www.bol.com/nl/p/spel-carcassonne-mini-uitbreiding-kloosters-bordspel/9200000027680037/

WTF!?
€31 but they sell the base game for €25 which means you pay €6 for the mini-expansion and they dare to put "GRATIS" (FREE) on the box. Am I missing something or is it really not so honest?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 03, 2014, 03:11:16 AM
I agree. It just says The Cloisters, which is the catch all name of the new geographic expansions series. I would not be surprised to find that this is a new set of Cloisters.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 03, 2014, 05:27:36 AM
It's slightly cheaper - €28.44 - at this site: http://www.wohi.nl/speelgoed/spelletjes/spellen/carcassonne-kloost?utm_source=beslist&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=28&utm_content=default1
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 03, 2014, 05:32:17 AM
And for what it's worth, I think it is the Monasteries in Germany. If this were a brand new set of Dutch cloisters, that would be a pretty exciting development for the Dutch market and I think they would heavily promote the Dutch aspect of the cloisters on the front of the box.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 03, 2014, 05:42:51 AM
And for what it's worth, I think it is the Monasteries in Germany. If this were a brand new set of Dutch cloisters, that would be a pretty exciting development for the Dutch market and I think they would heavily promote the Dutch aspect of the cloisters on the front of the box.

Would have to agree there.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jéré on September 03, 2014, 06:03:24 AM
There are some monasteries in the south of the Netherlands (Brabant and Limburg provinces) but none, as far as I know in the north (mostly protestant) so I don't think we will ever see an official Dutch Monasteries mini-expansion... Better forget about this idea.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 09, 2014, 02:50:09 PM
at www.buecher.de (http://www.buecher.de):

Carcassonne (Spiel), neue Edition (http://www.buecher.de/shop/schmidt-spiele/carcassonne-spiel-neue-edition/karten--brett-oder-wuerfelspiel/products_products/detail/prod_id/41360034/)

New edition of Carcassonne :

Carcassonne - "Spiel des Jahres" - in a new edition
Completely new graphic box and game material, and in addition the expansion of "the river" as well as a completely new mini expansion together in a box.

From the age of 8. For 2-5 players.
Edition: 2014
publish date around: 13 10 2014 

(I think it will be publish at Spiel 2014 in Essen)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Rosco on September 09, 2014, 03:23:01 PM
What is the new mini???????
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 09, 2014, 04:10:12 PM
as well as a completely new mini expansion together in a box.
Well, I guess "told you so" is in order.

 :(n)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 09, 2014, 06:36:52 PM
I never trust that terminology until I see it. It could just mean completely new to the public, which The Monasteries would be, brief preview release not withstanding.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 10, 2014, 12:27:42 AM
I never trust that terminology until I see it. It could just mean completely new to the public, which The Monasteries would be, brief preview release not withstanding.

I was thinking the same.. when a new mini comes out we most of the time hear it long time before it comes out, so..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 10, 2014, 02:43:36 AM
I never trust that terminology until I see it. It could just mean completely new to the public, which The Monasteries would be, brief preview release not withstanding.
Again - I hope you are right and that I am wrong.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 16, 2014, 09:46:07 AM
at www.spieleoffensive.de (http://www.spieleoffensive.de) is a picture

Carcassonne Edition II (http://www.spiele-offensive.de/Spiel/Carcassonne-Edition-II-1015616.html)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: MrNumbers on September 16, 2014, 09:55:39 AM
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die neue Mini-Erweiterung DER ABT

 :o :o :o
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 16, 2014, 10:01:07 AM
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die neue Mini-Erweiterung DER ABT

 :o :o :o

German: Der Abt
English: The Abbot
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 16, 2014, 10:01:22 AM
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die neue Mini-Erweiterung DER ABT

 :o :o :o

Ow dear..

someone got more info on that?


You not going to tell me that they are going to change all the wood to plastic like Catan!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 16, 2014, 10:05:03 AM
The figures are in wood - no plastic.

The graphic is new.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 16, 2014, 10:07:57 AM
The figures are in wood - no plastic.

The graphic is new.

you think higher resolution? or completely new graphics, in such way it cant combine?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 16, 2014, 10:18:16 AM
The figures are in wood - no plastic.

The graphic is new.

you think higher resolution? or completely new graphics, in such way it cant combine?
?? I don't know. All what I know is that there are more details on the landscape tiles.

The landscape tiles have the same size.

Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 16, 2014, 10:40:23 AM
I never trust that terminology until I see it. It could just mean completely new to the public, which The Monasteries would be, brief preview release not withstanding.
Again - I hope you are right and that I am wrong.
Bollocks.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 16, 2014, 11:25:10 AM
Any word on whether the tile configuration is the same as the original?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 16, 2014, 12:40:38 PM
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die neue Mini-Erweiterung DER ABT

 :o :o :o

German: Der Abt
English: The Abbot

So is this a new type of follower?? Only to be played on the German Monastery?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 16, 2014, 01:03:49 PM
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die neue Mini-Erweiterung DER ABT

 :o :o :o

German: Der Abt
English: The Abbot

So is this a new type of follower?? Only to be played on the German Monastery?

or  maybe a follower which gives double points for monasterys?



Is anyone planning on buying this?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 16, 2014, 01:53:52 PM
I certainly would do if I have the chance. Not sure when that may be at present though. Hopefully soon, and hopefully we'll all have a better idea of exactly what is included soon too.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on September 16, 2014, 02:13:31 PM
I expect the"Abt / abbot" figure is used on regular cloisters to convert them into a German cloister and everyone gets 1 figure.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 16, 2014, 02:27:51 PM
I expect the"Abt / abbot" figure is used on regular cloisters to convert them into a German cloister and everyone gets 1 figure.

nah, that would make the germans totally unusefull
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: meepleater on September 16, 2014, 02:28:50 PM
Hmm... not too happy about this
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 16, 2014, 02:47:32 PM
Great, another new base game with no components. How annoying. The Abbot better be released separately on Cundco. Darn. I didn't bring any spare meeples with me either.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 16, 2014, 04:05:57 PM
at www.spieleoffensive.de (http://www.spieleoffensive.de) is a picture

Carcassonne Edition II (http://www.spiele-offensive.de/Spiel/Carcassonne-Edition-II-1015616.html)

it is kind of awful, HE is looking at the business going on in the city and SHE is smiling up at the camera to invite you to join her in the game, well at least she is not in a bikini.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 16, 2014, 05:37:31 PM
I have 2 copies of Traders and Builders so I have a set of spare builder meeples.

Spare builder meeple + tiny rubber band  = Abbot meeple  -  bring on the new rules
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: CKorfmann on September 16, 2014, 07:21:48 PM
It reminds me of the Gingerbread Man.  Could it just be a straight up conversion?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 16, 2014, 07:40:51 PM
It reminds me of the Gingerbread Man.  Could it just be a straight up conversion?

You mean religious conversion? 
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 16, 2014, 09:20:43 PM
I wouldn't mind a straight crossover conversion, assuming the figures are available for purchase separately.

What are the rules for the gingerbread man again? I haven't played it yet.

As a sidenote, it is interesting that Hans im Glück has been getting really into the religious expansions lately. First The Monasteries and now this. I mean, Cloisters, Cathedrals, Cathars (technically Spielbox), Cult Places, Abbeys, and now Monasteries and Abbots. Very strange. I hope it foretells of a pilgrimage expansion. Languedoc has many important pilgrimage sites.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 16, 2014, 09:50:17 PM
Having just read  whaleyland's The Barbarian Report: Attack of the Monasteries (Monasteries in Germany Review) and also New Game Round-up: Monasteries for Carcassonne on Board Game Geek I am guessing that it is the same base game except the priory tiles are replaced by the monastery tiles with an Abbot meeple to save you the effort of placing a regular meeple on its side.

Small beer
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: MrNumbers on September 16, 2014, 10:13:29 PM
What are the rules for the gingerbread man again? I haven't played it yet.

Quote
If a player draws a landscape tile with the gingerbread man
symbol, he or she places the tile using the normal rules and performs a normal turn. He or
she then takes the Gingerbread Man and puts it into another unfinished city.
Gingerbread Man scoring
1) When the Gingerbread Man leaves a city (by placement of another gingerbread man
tile), all players who have one or more knights in this city will receive points. For each of
his or her knights in this city, each player receives 1 point per tile that is a part of the city
at this moment. Pennants score no points. The knights remain in this city.
2) If a player completes a city with the Gingerbread Man, here is what happens: Before
the normal scoring is performed, all players who have one or more knights in this city will
receive points. For each of his or her knights in this city, each player receives 1 point per
tile that is a part of the city. After that, the player who completed the city places the
Gingerbread Man into an unfinished city of his or her choice.
Special case: If there is no other unfinished city when the Gingerbread Man must be
moved, it stays in the city in which it is located. If this city is completed, it is placed next
to the game board and can be brought back into the game by playing a tile with the
gingerbread man icon.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 16, 2014, 11:29:33 PM
So, what do we know here? Is it the German monastery tiles with one new abbot follower per colour? If so, I like it more than the previous version of the German monasteries. I never liked putting the meeple on the side, and I also found that the points to be gained from the German monasteries (when played with an abbot) were so great that we would play abbots on all monasteries, and usually score 20+ points from each. If you can now only play one abbot, that makes it more interesting in my opinion. Plus extra wood is always good  :green-meeple:
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 16, 2014, 11:43:43 PM
Thank you Gerry and MrNumbers. After reflection, I must assume that Gerry is right in this case. It seems that each player gets an Abbot which suggests that they are placed, instead of a normal Follower, on monasteries. I further bet that the German Monasteries are not even included in this expansion and that the Abbot takes on the powers that the German Monasteries previously provided, namely acting as a secondary scoring mechanism for cloisters. That would make sense. The Abbots as they current are used (with German Monasteries) are powerful since a single player could claim multiple German Monasteries. If normal cloisters are used with Abbots being used to claim them, then each player can only have, at most, one Abbot. And since they stay on the board until the end of the game, players would never have more than one cloister scored in the manner of a German Monastery. The fact that the box doesn't mention the new monastery tiles reinforces this belief.

Jungleboy seems to agree with this and I don't think they would use the word "abbot" for both the German Monastery's follower and a gingerbread-style follower.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 17, 2014, 05:18:19 AM
I've got some more information - short call with HiG:

The Carcassonne (New Edition) has the same back side of the landscape tiles like the well known Carcassonne.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 17, 2014, 05:32:49 AM
Questions:
Is Doris Matthaus still the artist?
Are the new tiles completely compatible with the old?
Are there any major rules changes?
Is The River the new version with sheep and vineyards or the original?
Does each player get an Abbot figure?
Are The Abbots the same as Followers lain flat atop a German Monastery?
What does this revised version mean for Carcassonne's expansions?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 17, 2014, 05:45:37 AM
The Abbots as they current are used (with German Monasteries) are powerful since a single player could claim multiple German Monasteries. If normal cloisters are used with Abbots being used to claim them, then each player can only have, at most, one Abbot. And since they stay on the board until the end of the game, players would never have more than one cloister scored in the manner of a German Monastery.


From what I have read from players who have used the abbot, even one abbot can score too many points especially for placing a single follower on a single feature
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 17, 2014, 07:17:11 AM
The Abbots as they current are used (with German Monasteries) are powerful since a single player could claim multiple German Monasteries. If normal cloisters are used with Abbots being used to claim them, then each player can only have, at most, one Abbot. And since they stay on the board until the end of the game, players would never have more than one cloister scored in the manner of a German Monastery.


From what I have read from players who have used the abbot, even one abbot can score too many points especially for placing a single follower on a single feature

The phrase "too many" is relative too. It depends on how many tiles you're playing with and what all the other scoring potential is. But, yes, in some scenarios it can be OP.

I quite like the house rule that other cloisters stop the branch of the Monastery when they are placed in its orthogonal row or column. This gives other players the chance to keep their range in check.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 17, 2014, 04:53:23 PM
Here is the link to CarcF:
Carcassonne (neue Edition) (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=1928)

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The river has 12 landscape tiles (this information is from HiG by call)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 17, 2014, 07:25:12 PM
Here is the link to CarcF:
Carcassonne (neue Edition) (http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=1928)

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The river has 12 landscape tiles (this information is from HiG by call)
I'm not questioning the number of tiles. All three Rivers have 12 tiles. I'm wondering if the River tiles show the new features included with the Big Box 5 River.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 17, 2014, 09:56:35 PM
The river has 12 landscape tiles (this information is from HiG by call)
I'm not questioning the number of tiles. All three Rivers have 12 tiles. I'm wondering if the River tiles show the new features included with the Big Box 5 River.
I know whaleyland, but this was my question to Dirk Geilenkeuser at HiG yesterday by call.

Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 17, 2014, 10:25:38 PM
With HiG mixing general release mini-expansions, limited release stuff , new river mini-expansions bundled with the base game and out of print larger expansions bundled with the big box , add in two new colours of meeples and now adding a new abbot meeple if you buy new copies of the game, well it all just seems a little bit too much merchandise for too little product.

I do not mind running out and buying the expansions if they are well done, I bought my copy of Hills and Sheep so early it came with baby lambs instead of sheep.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 18, 2014, 02:09:55 AM
At the spielbox forum:

The question (free translation):
Has the new mini "Abbot" something to do with the mini "German Monasteries"?

Answer from Christof Tisch (graphics and rule desinger from HiG):
The Abbot is a completely new not yet published mini. This mini has nothing to do with the German Monasteries.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 18, 2014, 03:21:58 AM
With HiG mixing general release mini-expansions, limited release stuff , new river mini-expansions bundled with the base game and out of print larger expansions bundled with the big box , add in two new colours of meeples and now adding a new abbot meeple if you buy new copies of the game, well it all just seems a little bit too much merchandise for too little product.
Yes. They keep spitting their old fans in the face with crap like this.

The Abbot is a completely new not yet published mini. This mini has nothing to do with the German Monasteries.
Of course not. All according to their policy towards their old fans.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 18, 2014, 03:53:24 AM
I've got to side with you on this one, Tobias. If The Abbot is truly a new expansion (which I still don't really think it is), then this is the second slap to the face we've received from Hans im Glück in the past year:

The Besiegers – Only currently available in a limited edition base game in Germany
The German Monasteries – Briefly available, soon to be available again
Hills & Sheep – Available publicly
The River I (2.0) – Only available in Big Box 5 currently
Wheel of Fortune (New language-independent wheel and odd tile arrangement) – Only available in Big Box 5 currently
The Abbot – Only available in Carcassonne 2.0
The Half Tiles – Available from Spielbox and Hans im Glück

Five new expansions and two revisions of old ones. Of those, over half are dependent on the re-purchase of the base game and/or something larger. It's not polite to the older fans including those keeping all the rules in line. Kettlefish has been nice being able to get some of these for us, but that doesn't fix the bigger problem. I see very little value in adding new expansions to base games when the audience for those games are new players to begin with. Changing the cover I understand but the components should remain static. Add The River, for all I care, but keep it to that. Kinda getting annoyed, to be honest.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jputt927 on September 18, 2014, 07:45:25 AM
Kettlefish has been nice being able to get some of these for us, but that doesn't fix the bigger problem. I see very little value in adding new expansions to base games when the audience for those games are new players to begin with. Changing the cover I understand but the components should remain static. Add The River, for all I care, but keep it to that. Kinda getting annoyed, to be honest.

I've got to agree with this as well. If you're going to bundle these rare, new expansions with endless versions of the base game, at least offer the dedicated, existing fans an easy alternative. And, let's be clear about that option from the get go. I'd like clarification on this new strategy we're seeing with releasing expansions...because as Whaleyland put it...it's getting annoying. And when that's the reaction being given by the games MOST loyal fans, that's concerning.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 08:30:16 AM
If they were to release a collected edition of the rare and out of print expansions it would probably sell very well with the established fans.  If they could include the Spielbox stuff as well that would be great.

They could even boost the profits by including (and charging for) some sort of book on the history of the game and the company and coverage of some of the championships.  And they could even make a buck or so by including the lapel pins.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 18, 2014, 08:36:00 AM
There's always kickstarter projects.

Spielbox, for example could put out an expansion or collection of them. Once they get enough funds to cover the cost and make a decent profit they can print it in one go and ship it to those that paid for it.
  If waiting for a good price and then pay for it is no problem, one most likely would be willing paying first and wait, knowing getting the product in the end.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 18, 2014, 08:54:08 AM
Here is the link to HiG homepage - news:

HiG - news - Carcassonne II (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/carcassonne_ii/)


Link to HiG facebook:
HiG - facebook - Carcassonne II (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/photos/a.281965897298.141444.237314407298/10152672172632299/?type=1&theater)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 18, 2014, 09:01:25 AM
Here is the link to HiG:

Carcassonne II (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/carcassonne_ii/)

Hopefully they will make the River and other starter kits with the same background as regular tiles so those of us that do not use bags or other methods can mix these as well.  :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 18, 2014, 09:02:18 AM
My understanding is that there are licensing problems with many of the Spielbox expansions, certainly the older ones, which would make reprinting them tricky from a legal point of view. If it was worth it financially then I’m sure a solution could be found but I think the number of fans seeking the rare and hard to find expansions is probably relatively small compared to how many sales they could expect from some new and never seen before expansion even if it isn’t all that good.

I don’t necessarily condone it but I imagine that HiG are probably in the same boat. Whilst I’m sure they’d never set out to deliberately alienate/ frustrate those who most enjoy and support the games they’re responsible for (why would they do this?) it probably makes most sense for them as a business to focus on attracting new players. And if this means enticing them with some unique special edition then so be it.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 09:09:29 AM
My understanding is that there are licensing problems with many of the Spielbox expansions, certainly the older ones, which would make reprinting them tricky from a legal point of view.

If Microsoft can agree with Apple to get it's office products working on a MAC and ITunes on a PC then I am sure that they could work something out.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 18, 2014, 09:10:02 AM
My understanding is that there are licensing problems with many of the Spielbox expansions, certainly the older ones, which would make reprinting them tricky from a legal point of view. If it was worth it financially then I’m sure a solution could be found but I think the number of fans seeking the rare and hard to find expansions is probably relatively small compared to how many sales they could expect from some new and never seen before expansion even if it isn’t all that good.

I don’t necessarily condone it but I imagine that HiG are probably in the same boat. Whilst I’m sure they’d never set out to deliberately alienate/ frustrate those who most enjoy and support the games they’re responsible for (why would they do this?) it probably makes most sense for them as a business to focus on attracting new players. And if this means enticing them with some unique special edition then so be it.

Would they consider letting us know exactly how many copies needs to be printed to make it worthwhile? That alone would put my mind to rest whether it's farfetched or not that a reprint will be available.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: quevy on September 18, 2014, 09:16:32 AM
Many questions fill my mind. New expansions come out for all 2 graphics? The old carc will still be supported? Compatibility? Everything that is published for the old Carc will be available for new graphics (apart from the catapult :))

The remaking of the graphics can be interesting, I'm curious to see what's new, but honestly even I like this company policy.
Surely I will not stop purchasing, unfortunately my collector's mania is bigger. Of course this starts to be frustrating having to repurchase the same things for 4 or 6 new tiles.
It would be a good thing if these things were available immediately for those of us who already has everything in multiple copies, or those who already have a basic game and does not want to buy another. You could at least on a regular basis all be collected in a special expansion as has happened for the expansion 6.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 09:18:26 AM

I don’t necessarily condone it but I imagine that HiG are probably in the same boat. Whilst I’m sure they’d never set out to deliberately alienate/ frustrate those who most enjoy and support the games they’re responsible for (why would they do this?) it probably makes most sense for them as a business to focus on attracting new players. And if this means enticing them with some unique special edition then so be it.

I doubt if many new players realize what the new components are.  The Big Box that I bought which included Traders, Inns, Princess, Bridges and Abbey (but frustratingly no River) was a much better starter set to get new players interested.  And it did not upset existing players because they all could have purchased this separately.

I don't think they are trying to deliberately upset anyone but it kind of looks like they are “running on empty”
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 09:28:23 AM
Here is the link to HiG homepage - news:

HiG - news - Carcassonne II (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/carcassonne_ii/)


Link to HiG facebook:
HiG - facebook - Carcassonne II (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/photos/a.281965897298.141444.237314407298/10152672172632299/?type=1&theater)


Google translate produces a lovely phrase in the english translation

we have revised the rule to allow everyone a liquid entry
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 18, 2014, 09:31:17 AM
My understanding is that there are licensing problems with many of the Spielbox expansions, certainly the older ones, which would make reprinting them tricky from a legal point of view.

If Microsoft can agree with Apple to get it's office products working on a MAC and ITunes on a PC then I am sure that they could work something out.

I think that's a very different kettle of fish!

I wasn't suggesting it was impossible, just unlikely for financial reasons. And whilst this is based purely on my understanding of the situation, there are plenty of people here who have been following Carcassonne for a lot longer than I have who may be able to provide a more definite answer.

Here is the link to HiG homepage - news:

HiG - news - Carcassonne II (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/carcassonne_ii/)


Link to HiG facebook:
HiG - facebook - Carcassonne II (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/photos/a.281965897298.141444.237314407298/10152672172632299/?type=1&theater)


Google translate produces a lovely phrase in the english translation

we have revised the rule to allow everyone a liquid entry

I saw this too. No idea what it means! Maybe it means you can place followers on the river?  :D
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on September 18, 2014, 09:46:00 AM
Here is the link to HiG homepage - news:

HiG - news - Carcassonne II (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/carcassonne_ii/)


Link to HiG facebook:
HiG - facebook - Carcassonne II (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/photos/a.281965897298.141444.237314407298/10152672172632299/?type=1&theater)


Google translate produces a lovely phrase in the english translation

we have revised the rule to allow everyone a liquid entry

that should be an easy start, literally a "fluent entry" like in the phrase "in fluent english"
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 09:48:22 AM
Here is the link to HiG homepage - news:

HiG - news - Carcassonne II (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/news/newsdetails/news/carcassonne_ii/)


Link to HiG facebook:
HiG - facebook - Carcassonne II (https://www.facebook.com/Brettspiele/photos/a.281965897298.141444.237314407298/10152672172632299/?type=1&theater)


Google translate produces a lovely phrase in the english translation

we have revised the rule to allow everyone a liquid entry

that should be an easy start, literally a "fluent entry" like in the phrase "in fluent english"

I was thinking it that the fluid might refer to Beer
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: CKorfmann on September 18, 2014, 09:54:31 AM
I don't think they are trying to deliberately upset anyone but it kind of looks like they are “running on empty”

It doesn't seem like they are deliberately trying not to either. 

I really hope the Abott is not The Missionary.  :-\
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 18, 2014, 10:22:02 AM
Am I the only one really NOT liking this idea of a total new set of carc?

The graphics are so different and ugly in my opinion.. i wont buy or mix them with my carccollection
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 18, 2014, 10:46:40 AM
Am I the only one really NOT liking this idea of a total new set of carc?

The graphics are so different and ugly in my opinion.. i wont buy or mix them with my carccollection

Based on the couple of pictures I've seen (not up close), I completely agree with you. I find the graphics of the original so beautiful which is a huge part of the attraction of the game for me. The simplicity and rustic quality of the original seems completely gone in this new version. But I'd like to see more pictures.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 18, 2014, 10:49:20 AM
Am I the only one really NOT liking this idea of a total new set of carc?

The graphics are so different and ugly in my opinion.. i wont buy or mix them with my carccollection

Based on the couple of pictures I've seen (not up close), I completely agree with you. I find the graphics of the original so beautiful which is a huge part of the attraction of the game for me. The simplicity and rustic quality of the original seems completely gone in this new version. But I'd like to see more pictures.

Thanks,

Im also terrified of the idea new expansions only come out in new graphics..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 18, 2014, 10:56:09 AM
In response to a question from Dan on Facebook, Z-Man says:

Quote
The artwork has simply been updated and modernized.

Yes it has been modernised, but I fail to see the purpose or benefit in this since this is a medieval landscape. The less 'modern', the better.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: mas9dj on September 18, 2014, 10:59:30 AM
Am I the only one really NOT liking this idea of a total new set of carc?

The graphics are so different and ugly in my opinion.. i wont buy or mix them with my carccollection

Based on the couple of pictures I've seen (not up close), I completely agree with you. I find the graphics of the original so beautiful which is a huge part of the attraction of the game for me. The simplicity and rustic quality of the original seems completely gone in this new version. But I'd like to see more pictures.

Thanks,

Im also terrified of the idea new expansions only come out in new graphics..

Me too :(
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: AlbinoAsian on September 18, 2014, 11:03:14 AM
Am I the only one really NOT liking this idea of a total new set of carc?

The graphics are so different and ugly in my opinion.. i wont buy or mix them with my carccollection

I've lapped up almost everything that is Carcassonne related, this has no place in my collection though!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 18, 2014, 11:26:05 AM
Link to ZMG:

Carcassonne enters a new era! (http://zmangames.com/nouvelles-details.php?id=449)

graphic artists:

Cover: Chris Quilliams
landscape tiles:  Anne Pätzke

Anne Pätzke did the graphics for the beautiful Carcassonne Winter-Edition
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcatronn on September 18, 2014, 11:49:51 AM
Anne Pätzke did the graphics for the beautiful Carcassonne Winter-Edition

Anne Pätzke is Trenchmaker on DevianART:  ;D

http://trenchmaker.deviantart.com/gallery/48572748/Board-Games (http://trenchmaker.deviantart.com/gallery/48572748/Board-Games)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcatronn on September 18, 2014, 12:11:51 PM
I saw this too. No idea what it means! Maybe it means you can place followers on the river?  :D

That would be an awesome expansion even if this isn't it! Have a way for followers to "swim" down the River and claim a feature  on an empty river tile 8)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 18, 2014, 12:43:57 PM
Links to facebook:

Carcassonne - The Board Game: Carcassonne enters a new era!  (https://www.facebook.com/CarcassonneTheBoardGame/photos/a.426642677445387.1073741828.422628254513496/638401436269509/?type=1&theater)

ZmanGames - Carcassonne enters a new era!  (https://www.facebook.com/ZManGames/photos/pb.170153096392567.-2207520000.1411069370./694756637265541/?type=1&theater)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 18, 2014, 02:07:23 PM
Im still very very curious and hope they keep it like the winter edition..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 18, 2014, 02:23:28 PM
If you pushed me I'd have to say I think I prefer the artwork on the Winter edition over normal Carcassonne. However, it might just be that this looks nicer (in my opinion) because of the winter colour scheme so I don't know what I'll think of this new release.

The reaction to this news on Facebook hasn't been great!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 02:30:28 PM
Link to ZMG:

Carcassonne enters a new era! (http://zmangames.com/nouvelles-details.php?id=449)

graphic artists:

Cover: Chris Quilliams
landscape tiles:  Anne Pätzke

Anne Pätzke did the graphics for the beautiful Carcassonne Winter-Edition

quote from the Z-Man link

"Fear not, the back of the tiles remain the same"

well that is going to be great relief to people who play with the tiles in a bag then play the game by placing them face down on the playing surface  :@
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 18, 2014, 02:33:50 PM
I really hope the Abott is not The Missionary.  :-\
Hi CKorfmann,
I've checked the rules from your fan-made expansion "The Missionary" with the mini "The Abbot".

The Abbot has nothing to do with the Missionary.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 18, 2014, 04:38:59 PM
Google translate produces a lovely phrase in the english translation

we have revised the rule to allow everyone a liquid entry

I think it means they have fundamentally restructured the rulebook to provide everyone a fluid entrance into the game...in other words, a fun experience.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 18, 2014, 04:44:21 PM
I really hope the Abott is not The Missionary.  :-\
Hi CKorfmann,
I've checked the rules from your fan-made expansion "The Missionary" with the mini "The Abbot".

The Abbot has nothing to do with the Missionary.

kettlefish, you mean to say you know what The Abbot is about? You know the rules?

What about the potential for confusion with the Abbot of the German Monastery?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 04:55:17 PM
I hear the Abbot meeple is the first of two new ones to be introduced, the second one will be name Costello  :@


see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_and_Costello
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 18, 2014, 05:04:25 PM
kettlefish, you mean to say you know what The Abbot is about? You know the rules?
;D

What about the potential for confusion with the Abbot of the German Monastery?
The normal follower has a role as an abbot placed on the German Monastery.
The new figure Abbot looks quite different than a typical Meeple.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 18, 2014, 05:09:56 PM
kettlefish, you mean to say you know what The Abbot is about? You know the rules?
;D

What about the potential for confusion with the Abbot of the German Monastery?
The normal follower has a role as an abbot placed on the German Monastery.
The new figure Abbot looks quite different than a typical Meeple.

We all know it's not good practice to confuse names of things. Now we can't even blame licensed publishers. HiG are the ones that did it!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 18, 2014, 05:10:30 PM
I hear the Abbot meeple is the first of two new ones to be introduced, the second one will be name Costello  :@


see en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbott_and_Costello

Gerry - that is hysterical!!  :(y) You have me rolling...
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcatronn on September 18, 2014, 06:49:05 PM
Maybe Doris Matthäus is retiring from being the artist and therefore the change to Anne? I could see that if we are to see the expansions re-drawn. I originally thought this to be a one off base game redesign, but then I thought about the switch in artists..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Scott on September 18, 2014, 07:40:03 PM
Lots of negativity in here...

I think the new artwork is beautiful, but I also think the old artwork is beautiful. It's like trying to decide between pizza and ice cream: I want both.

I saw some of the comments on Facebook, and the replies from Z-Man Games that the new edition is "compatible" with the old edition because the back side of the tiles have the same artwork. That doesn't fit my definition of compatible.

Likewise, I'm not impressed by the addition of a new mini-expansion. Last night I attended a presentation where the keynote speaker gave an example of toothpaste: 50 years ago, Crest made only one type of toothpaste; today Crest has more than 40 unique products (including different sizes, flavors, etc.). Retailers like Walmart are fed up and demanding that they reduce their number of unique offerings or lose their space on the shelf. Turning our attention back to Carcassonne, I'm concerned that all the different versions of the base game may dilute the brand.

But at the end of the day, I'm still a fan and will buy this new edition for my collection. I may not understand the rationale behind their decision, but getting mad about it doesn't help anything.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 18, 2014, 07:52:55 PM
Lots of negativity in here...

 It's like trying to decide between pizza and ice cream: I want both.


as I recall, that was William Conrad's problem,  though he also stated a strong preference for bacon.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Scott on September 18, 2014, 08:12:26 PM
Below the neck, I am looking more and more like him every day. :(
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: meepleater on September 18, 2014, 11:25:28 PM
I'm going to go ahead and say that I'm also starting to become annoyed. The ever-increasing number of impossible to get expansions is one of the major reasons I've started to drift away from the game a bit- I used to look forward to every new expansion but now I've started to give up all interest since I know I'll never be able to get them.

And seriously, does Carcassonne really need a new edition? The new artwork looks nice, but it lacks the charm of the old artwork. Obviously if a game designer wants to make a new edition they can (and I think the later editions of Catan were an improvement, the reimplementation of Catan Card Game as Rivals for Catan was so good I immediately bought it despite owning the original and its expansions), but in the case of Carcassonne I think it is totally unnecessary. If they had to release a new edition, couldn't they have done it at a more convenient point (like before the transition to z-man games- at least a new edition then would have made some sort of sense). Seriously, they would have known about this new edition when making sheep & hills -so why make expansions for an edition of a game that you are planning to supersede?

As far as the abbot is concerned, I'm hoping that the the expansion is meeple-only (no tiles) and available separately through cundco so it is compatible with both editions. And personally I can't afford to replace my entire collection of Carcassonne.

Of course, I'm assuming here that the new edition is meant to replace the old one. And if its not (and they keep making or at least selling the expansions for the current one) then what is the point of the new release???
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 19, 2014, 03:16:17 AM
I think the new artwork is beautiful...

Putting the technical quality of the art aside, I have to say that all those blue and red roofs turn me right off. They appear gawdy and overbearing...I think they will over power the final map. They are distracting.

So there's a generation of 14 to 20 year olds that were just born or newborn when this game came out that I believe they are trying to appeal to. (If not, then who else?) Why not just market it as a "Teens of Carcassonne" editiion or something like that to keep it independent of the original game. Then they could have really sold any liberties they wanted to take with it.

Signed,
One Dumbfounded Loyal Fan of Original Carcassonne
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 19, 2014, 03:30:04 AM
If the reviews are negative afterwards you most of the time see publicers wont go on with it.

Saboteur for one, was going to put in new graphics.. Lots of fans complained and they canceled the idea. they new expansion comes out this year with the old graphics..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 19, 2014, 03:49:48 AM
Upgrading the graphics in games is a growing trend, though. In most cases, the games remain upgraded and new expansions get released with those new graphics.

Just off the top of my head, these games all got released with old expansions re-released with new graphics:

Pandemic
– On the Brink
Catan
– Seafarers
– Cities & Knights

While these games got re-released without addressing previous expansions:
Rivals for Catan
The Lord of the Rings (Knizia)

Those are just ones from my collection. Not a lot, I admit. Some companies also release special editions of games used just in trying to market to new crowds like the Settlers of Catan Gallery Edition that features a pre-set map. The game works fine by itself but doesn't have any expansions and isn't directly compatible with any other Catan thing (at least officially).

It could be that Carcassonne 2.0 is really just a one time special edition to try to market to new customers. This isn't unprecedented. Granted, it could also be an entire reboot of the series, where previous expansions will be released in entirely new orders or organized in completely new ways.

kettlefish, any hints to the long-term plans regarding these new graphics?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 19, 2014, 05:22:53 AM
The change in graphics has me confused on how it will affect the expansions, am I expected to get everything again in the new graphics or will it me a case of Mix and Not Match?

I was happy to buy the winter edition (just a couple of weeks ago) as I saw it as a free standing, basic version of the game.   I normally play with my son and we take the game seriously but I thought the winter version would be great to get out at xmas to play a basic seasonal game with the whole family.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 19, 2014, 05:37:48 AM
I was happy to buy the winter edition (just a couple of weeks ago) as I saw it as a free standing, basic version of the game.   I normally play with my son and we take the game seriously but I thought the winter version would be great to get out at xmas to play a basic seasonal game with the whole family.
I like the Winter edition too. In fact, I've just ordered the following to make it feel even more festive this year:

http://www.meeplesource.com/proddetail.php?prod=Frosty-1
http://www.meeplesource.com/proddetail.php?prod=Santa-1
http://www.meeplesource.com/proddetail.php?prod=SantaElf9PieceSet
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Rosco on September 19, 2014, 09:28:55 AM
Very cool Dan
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: coyote on September 19, 2014, 10:04:16 AM
But at the end of the day, I'm still a fan and will buy this new edition for my collection. I may not understand the rationale behind their decision, but getting mad about it doesn't help anything.

Interesting.. I agree with just about everything you say, *except* this part.

I don't play Carcassonne to win, or for points. Me and my family play to make maps. See what cities we can come up with, what roads we can build. Sure, there's competition in it - I'm working on mine, they're working on theirs - but we are more interested in trying to fill that one spot that's been empty since the start of the game.

Because of that, I have absolutely no reason to buy this version. The different look in the art will make them stand out and ruin the continuity of the map (world) we're building.


Now, that aside, the artwork's not bad, I'd like to see a closeup, because the bright blue and red spots (someone called them roofs?) really stand our and look like someone sneezed glitter over my tiles..!

And, finally, I'll add my vote to the limited distrubution of the expansions to annoy me as well, but less so than the change in tile artwork. :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: henrysunset on September 19, 2014, 11:21:13 PM
I cannot imagine why they would do this.  The original art is very good quality, and it will be the final straw for some fans who still buy each new expansion even if they only play it a couple times.  Carcassonne is a classic game, but it is very likely on the downward slope of it's popularity in a competitive landscape of other great Euro games.  Changing the art going forward feels like a way to alienate existing fans without growing the fanbase by a meaningful amount.

I'm certainly not buying a new base game to ensure it matches with future expansions.  I probably will stop making tuckboxes if the art changes and they re-release the old expansions while creating new ones.

My 0.02$.
---tom
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: DaFees on September 20, 2014, 01:02:23 AM
If you ask me I think this new artwork, while pretty, is a bad move. I feel it serves only to alienate their current fan base. I also feel it isn't the right move in trying to get more players into the game. I mean, sure, we've all come into the game in some way or another either by being introduced to the game by a friend, reading about/watching reviews of it online or seeing it on the shelves of our local game store. This is where my point comes in. If you want to appeal to a wider audience then how about putting the game in places where people will actually know it exists.

First of all, not everyone shops on Amazon or online in general and two, not everyone has a friendly local game store. Now, yes I have seen the base game in Barnes & Noble stores (chain bookstore that also sells games for those not familiar with this American company) but again not everyone has one of those in their town. Maybe the publishers have their reasons but if you ask me I think getting the game into places like Target (Another American chain store) would do more for getting people into the game versus doing new artwork.

All this is only part of the problem with this new edition. The other problem is that this new edition includes a new mini expansion not available anywhere else, at least for now anyways. I, like everyone else here, am not a fan of this sort of move. I'd really like to add the Wheel of Fortune to my collection but I certainly do not want to purchase the Big Box 5 just to be able to do so. In instances like this I look the world of phones and tablets. Whether you are an Android fan or an iOS fan you can find Carcassonne on either platform. As I am an iOS man myself I'll use the iOS app for my example.

If I hop on the Apple App Store right now I will find Carcassonne available to buy. So when I buy it I get the base game and then I can buy select expansions from with in the game itself. Well see here's the thing. If I'm someone new looking to buy this app it doesn't matter whether I buy it today, tomorrow, a month from now, a year from now or even 3 years from now because the available expansions aren't going anywhere. It isn't like I'll wake up tomorrow and suddenly I can no longer get Traders & Builders from within the app. My point is that every year the developers behind this app put out 1 or 2 new expansions for the game and when they do I know I can just hop right into the app and get it. I don't have to RE-BUY the base app or I don't have to buy some special thing that already includes expansions I have. See with this app you can't really force users to purchase something they already have to get something they don't.

There is a lot more I could say about this app and how it could potentially impact the physical game both positively and negatively but I think I'll save all that for another post.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 20, 2014, 01:46:27 AM

All this is only part of the problem with this new edition. The other problem is that this new edition includes a new mini expansion not available anywhere else, at least for now anyways. I, like everyone else here, am not a fan of this sort of move. I'd really like to add the Wheel of Fortune to my collection but I certainly do not want to purchase the Big Box 5 just to be able to do so. In instances like this I look the world of phones and tablets. Whether you are an Android fan or an iOS fan you can find Carcassonne on either platform. As I am an iOS man myself I'll use the iOS app for my example.


Wheel of fortune is available in some countrys
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: DaFees on September 20, 2014, 02:25:09 AM
Wheel of fortune is available in some countrys

You're right, and call me weird, but I kinda prefer to have everything under one publisher if I can.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 20, 2014, 02:31:36 AM
Wheel of fortune is available in some countrys

You're right, and call me weird, but I kinda prefer to have everything under one publisher if I can.

Not weird at all, Except from the rare mini's i have also everything from the same.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 20, 2014, 03:07:42 AM
Wheel of fortune is available in some countrys

You're right, and call me weird, but I kinda prefer to have everything under one publisher if I can.

Like collecting everything regardless of publisher isn't difficult enough already! Well done for going the extra mile!  :D
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 20, 2014, 03:14:18 AM
Wheel of fortune is available in some countrys

You're right, and call me weird, but I kinda prefer to have everything under one publisher if I can.

Like collecting everything regardless of publisher isn't difficult enough already! Well done for going the extra mile!  :D
Yeah, I mostly stuck to Rio Grande for everything until Z-Man took over. I've got plenty of Hans im Glück items, though, since so much wasn't released by RGG. Unless ZMG releases something unique, I'll probably stick with HiG for everything now. I only use the CAR for rules anyway, so translations are never a problem. My Hills & Sheep are HiG and my Minis are RGG.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 20, 2014, 03:18:35 AM
...
It could be that Carcassonne 2.0 is really just a one time special edition to try to market to new customers. This isn't unprecedented. Granted, it could also be an entire reboot of the series, where previous expansions will be released in entirely new orders or organized in completely new ways.

kettlefish, any hints to the long-term plans regarding these new graphics?
Hi whaleyland,
I am not sure if I like to ask HiG this.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 20, 2014, 03:32:24 AM
...
It could be that Carcassonne 2.0 is really just a one time special edition to try to market to new customers. This isn't unprecedented. Granted, it could also be an entire reboot of the series, where previous expansions will be released in entirely new orders or organized in completely new ways.

kettlefish, any hints to the long-term plans regarding these new graphics?
Hi whaleyland,
I am not sure if I like to ask HiG this.
kettlefish, I'd appreciate any new insights on this new version that you can discover, as I'm sure many of the rest of us would. I think many of us want to know if this is a one-off thing or if all future expansions are going to be with the new graphics.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 20, 2014, 04:04:38 AM
here comes an example question and answer - HiG facebook - (translation by bing translator):

question from Rebecca Fröhlich:
Quote
Will still more extensions be available for the old Carcassonne games?...

answer HiG facebook - 18.09.2014  2:29pm:
Quote
Hi..., that is not yet 100% clear.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 20, 2014, 04:20:42 AM
Random follow-up. Is the Cundco version of Half-and-Half with the new or old art? We know the Spielbox version is the old art.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 20, 2014, 04:22:56 AM
Random follow-up. Is the Cundco version of Half-and-Half with the new or old art? We know the Spielbox version is the old art.
The CundCo version is definitly in the old art.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 20, 2014, 04:25:51 AM
Random follow-up. Is the Cundco version of Half-and-Half with the new or old art? We know the Spielbox version is the old art.
The CundCo version is definitly in the old art.
:(y) :(y) :(y) :(y) :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 20, 2014, 07:54:20 AM
I suspect that Hig were thinking that we have a talented new artist and why don't we take the opportunity to bring a new look to an old game – everyone will love that.  But it is just like Apple and U2 -why don't we give everyone a free copy of the new U2 album on iTunes – everyone loves something for free.   

However it seems that what most people want, even more than free, and more than just a new look, is a choice and how HiG are going to give everyone a choice between new look and old look Carcassonne  on new expansions we will just have to wait and see.

It does seem like their direction is, to say the least, confused.  New big box with original style, new base game in New style, new mini (half and half) expansion in the original style.

If I was a cynical person (perish the thought) I would suspect that the new big box with the Wheel of Fortune was a ploy to empty out their stock of original style tiles to make room for the new style ones in their warehouse.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 20, 2014, 08:19:09 AM

If I was a cynical person (perish the thought) I would suspect that the new big box with the Wheel of Fortune was a ploy to empty out their stock of original style tiles to make room for the new style ones in their warehouse.

Why they would reprint them then?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 20, 2014, 10:54:48 AM
Just to clarify about the abbot, do I have this right?

1. Earlier this year, the Monasteries in Germany mini expansion was released. In this expansion, you can place a meeple on its side in one of these new cloister, called an abbot.

2. Less than six months later, a new piece of wood comes out that is called an abbot and it is completely unrelated to the previous abbot that was just introduced.

If true, this is very bewildering. Why don't we just stand a meeple on its head and call it a pig?  :@
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 20, 2014, 11:30:20 AM
Carcassonne, Pieza de Inicio - facebook:

Combination of Carcassonne new and old (https://www.facebook.com/556565331020918/photos/a.556928537651264.132206.556565331020918/856718487672266/?type=1&theater)

He has created an interesting combination of Carcassonne (our beloved graphics) and Carcassonne Edition II (new graphics).
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 20, 2014, 11:34:33 AM
Carcassonne, Pieza de Inicio - facebook:

Combination of Carcassonne new and old (https://www.facebook.com/556565331020918/photos/a.556928537651264.132206.556565331020918/856718487672266/?type=1&theater)

He has created an interesting combination of Carcassonne (our beloved graphics) and Carcassonne Edition II (new graphics).

Thank you!

This was just what I, and hopefully many others, were waiting for. That did not look bad at all. I can see myself buying the new one if I run out of the old versions. Still need 8000 tiles.  ;D
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jputt927 on September 20, 2014, 12:01:22 PM
He has created an interesting combination of Carcassonne (our beloved graphics) and Carcassonne Edition II (new graphics).

I don't mean to be negative, but that's exactly what I expected it to look like, and I do not like it.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 20, 2014, 12:07:55 PM
Unfortunately I can't agree with you there yellow - I think it looks terrible.

I guess it depends on how pedantic you are about these sorts of things (and I am quite pedantic about it). Things like the different shading in the Cathars tiles, the darker green fields in the Plague etc already bug me. So, personally, there's no way I could handle mixing old and new Carcassonne artwork.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 20, 2014, 12:29:08 PM
Unfortunately I can't agree with you there yellow - I think it looks terrible.

I guess it depends on how pedantic you are about these sorts of things (and I am quite pedantic about it). Things like the different shading in the Cathars tiles, the darker green fields in the Plague etc already bug me. So, personally, there's no way I could handle mixing old and new Carcassonne artwork.

I'm sorry to hear that. There's a lot of negativity in the forum about this new edition. It's like the end of the world or something. I feel like many members are just set to neglect any changes at all, instead of embracing a new world.
 
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 20, 2014, 01:06:28 PM
I'm sorry to hear that. There's a lot of negativity in the forum about this new edition. It's like the end of the world or something. I feel like many members are just set to neglect any changes at all, instead of embracing a new world.
The negativity is party from the new look. Personally I do not really care - I would not mix different sets of Carcassonne anyway. The other part is the exclusive expansion that they - again - only make available to those who - yet again - buy what they already own.

We were told that Die Belagerer would not be ready to buy in "at least a year". It has been over a year. Is it available?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 20, 2014, 01:13:51 PM
Unfortunately I can't agree with you there yellow - I think it looks terrible.

I guess it depends on how pedantic you are about these sorts of things (and I am quite pedantic about it). Things like the different shading in the Cathars tiles, the darker green fields in the Plague etc already bug me. So, personally, there's no way I could handle mixing old and new Carcassonne artwork.

I'm sorry to hear that. There's a lot of negativity in the forum about this new edition. It's like the end of the world or something. I feel like many members are just set to neglect any changes at all, instead of embracing a new world.
 


I think the point here is that were are not really getting anything new.  If HiG were to come up with some new content, new structures, new and innovative rules then we would all line up to purchase it.

The point here is, different does not equal new.  Especially when it is part of a set of a game of 10 large expansions and about 20 small ones and one of the main features of the game, as acknowledged by both the game creator and the paying customers, is the consistent and very good artwork.

It is a real pity there there is not some kind of online user forum dedicated to Carcassonne where a significant proportion of the potential customers belong and HiG could post a message explaining their vision for the product. 

Does anyone know if any such forum exists ?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 20, 2014, 01:14:42 PM
I think the negativity is coming from people like me who have one or more of the following concerns (in no particular order):

1. People don't like the new artwork and don't understand why "our beloved graphics", as kettlefish so nicely put it, have been changed.
2. The publishers (or at least Z-Man) think that the old and the new can be mixed (because the back of the tiles are the same!), when for many players, the beauty of the landscape is a large part of the attraction of the game and mixing old and new graphics destroys this beauty (regardless of whether you like the new graphics or not).
3. People don't understand what this means for the future of the game.

If it turns out to be a kind of separate game like the Winter Edition, as quevy suggested, then there's no problem. But if new expansions come out only with the new graphics, then they will have altered the game dramatically.

It's one thing to introduce an unpopular expansion. Don't like the Catapult? Fine, then don't buy it or buy it for your collection but don't use it, and it's no big deal. But this is something beyond that: it could represent a fundamental change to the game that may make it less enjoyable for many people. And that would be sad.

I'm sorry if I am being overly negative here, but I'm just expressing an opinion and I believe that's one of the purposes of this forum.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 20, 2014, 02:05:55 PM
It seems to me that the majority of the negativity surrounding this new edition stems from "the fear of the unknown"...

If we knew, now, exactly what the situation with the new graphics was going to be then it would be much easier to move on and stop worrying about it, regardless of what the decision actually is.

I'm talking about questions like:

- Is this new edition a one-off or are the new graphics going to become standard from now on?
- Will "The Abbot" be available elsewhere without buying this, and when?
- If so, will all future expansions be published using the new graphics?
- If so, will all previous expansions be re-released with the new graphics?

Stuff like this. Only then can we, Carcassonne's biggest and most dedicated fans, evaluate where we stand on the future of the game.

I find it difficult to believe that the answers to these questions aren't already known, and being kept in the dark is what I find the most frustrating. As much as I respect and admire HiG for the work that they've done in supporting Carcassonne for as long as they have done (please let's not underestimate this or get angry towards them because we don't like the current situation), there seems to be a lot of unnecessary secrets. Communication from us to them is very strong indeed as they have full access to virtually everything that is said and discussed on these forums. But as much as I like to be on the receiving end of the various gifts and promos they've handed down to us, the communication coming back to us seems to be lacking in my opinion.

Maybe if someone from HiG could come here to speak with us directly and give us some idea of their vision of where the game is going - openly and honestly - then all this unnecessary backlash could be avoided.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 20, 2014, 02:28:35 PM
I've sent again an email to HiG - Moritz Brunnhofer.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 20, 2014, 02:33:59 PM
Still, though, after reading the latest posts, I can't see why everyone is upset.

Either buy it or don't. To go all ballistic because it upsets ones collection or dislike the graphics is taking it way too seriously. Maybe I've gone soft, for I used to be quite the controversial 10 years ago and that younger me probably be right there with you with the protest signs.

Now, I do understand the new version comes with a new element not existing in the old version, but still, they are compatible. If anything, the 'River III' exclusive in Big Box 5 is far more concerning if it's meant to be only in this box alone.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 20, 2014, 02:50:23 PM
It's not so much a case of being upset or going ballistic but we have an opportunity to give strong feedback to HiG of how (as paying customers) we would like the product to go.  If they get a clear enough response on the new tile layout and its possible impact on future expansions then I suspect that HiG will clarify things by putting the new format tile layout in the same class as the winter edition as an “interesting” alternative for fun.  Then hopefully they will get back on track with the original tile design and produce new expansions.  It would be interesting to know how many copies of Hills and Sheep they have sold so far as this is the best indicator of the demand .

I would encourage members to continue give their feedback positive or negative until HiG make their direction clear.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 20, 2014, 02:56:04 PM
If anything, the 'River III' exclusive in Big Box 5 is far more concerning if it's meant to be only in this box alone.
Yes, that is another straw on the camel's back. How many does it carry around now?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 20, 2014, 03:01:44 PM
If anything, the 'River III' exclusive in Big Box 5 is far more concerning if it's meant to be only in this box alone.
Yes, that is another straw on the camel's back. How many does it carry around now?

yes, but it is only the last one on the camel's back that HiG has to worry about   :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 20, 2014, 03:07:38 PM
yes, but it is only the last one on the camel's back that HiG has to worry about   :)
The last one is one too late.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: thegreatone3182 on September 20, 2014, 05:44:46 PM
It seems to me that the majority of the negativity surrounding this new edition stems from "the fear of the unknown"...

Hey everyone- long time lurker here (I probably check Carcassonne Central 10-15 times a day). This is the first time I've felt compelled to add to the conversation.

I think danisthirty is exactly right here. The biggest problem (and the most frustrating thing for me) is that there's so much we don't know. The biggest problem isn't that they are updating the graphics (of which I am concerned), but that the communication has been so poor. It really makes it frustrating for long-time fans.

I immediately purchase every new expansion that comes out. I'm a guy who actually loves The Catapult. I can't give HiG my money fast enough. What's so frustrating is that there is so little communication regarding expansions like Die Belagerer, The River III, and even this new Abbot one. I don't know whether I need to fork over hundreds of dollars to try and obtain these, or if I should just wait and see if they're available separately.

The same issue is true with this new Edition- we're left with so many unanswered questions, so it makes sense that there will be some negativity and confusion. Many of these issues could be solved by just telling the fans what's going on. Others have highlighted the key questions that everyone wants to know. My biggest concern is that going forward, all new expansions will use the updated artwork. That makes no sense to me.

I hate to pile onto the negativity, but honestly, it's the lack of communication regarding my all-time favorite game that is bumming me out. Hopefully we get some answers soon.....
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on September 20, 2014, 08:33:28 PM
Still, though, after reading the latest posts, I can't see why everyone is upset.

Just off the top of my head:

1. The new art is gawdy and overbearing. (Granted, art is a matter of taste...but the effect of those blue roofs on the map cannot be denied. In addition, the field colors and textures are not compatible with the original art.)
2. The blue roofs and white walls will obscure and hide the blue and white pennants.
3. We may have some sense of self-importance here because we, along with CarcF, exhibit a loyalty to the game, if not the publisher, that they likely do not receive or enjoy from any other orgainzed fan base. We have a member, and members at CarcF, who have been involved in proof reading and editing recent releases. Yet, with all this we are completely surprised and in the dark, and incensed as a result of our perceived self-importance. Not expecting HiG to ask our permission, but a heads up and an update would be nice.
4. Either we have to put up with the new and old art clashing, buy revision 2.0 of all the old expansions (if they are even offered), or end our collection...and by attrition, our interest.
5. Every one of our tile-based fanspansions is hereby obsolete (unless you opt for clashing art referenced in item 4).
6. HiG has released yet another exclusive expanion bundled behind a full price set of tiles.

There may be more reasons...but my focus is obscured by all the red I am seeing at the moment.


Either buy it or don't...

This is what it will come down to. The concern is the potential for fracturing the fan base and killing a portion of it.


...If anything, the 'River III' exclusive in Big Box 5 is far more concerning if it's meant to be only in this box alone.

I agree that this is a big issue...and unfriendly to the fan base, but pales when considering the potential long term affect of 2.0 on the fan base and the course of the game.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 20, 2014, 08:35:06 PM
Good to hear from you, yes the lack of information on their plans is definitely the issue here
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 20, 2014, 11:35:24 PM
When I was introduced to Carcassonne for the first time, I instantly fell in love with it. I've enjoyed playing the game ever since for the last 7 or 8 years. Even when losing the game was always fun, compared to other games where coming in second is just as awful as coming in last.

Maybe it's the decision I made to not spend vast money on the rare sets to complete my collection, that made me realise it's all good and I should be happy with what I have.

HiG and K-J W brought me one of the best board games I've had a chance to play and for that I am forever grateful. I am sure that whatever the decisions they make is purely from business point of view. I may not be as big in this area of expertise but I do have some grasp of it.

Instead of bashing the companies because of a decision they thought was appropriate, we should at least withhold and let it be revealed in full bloom.

As some of the previous posts already noted: We know so little. That is just part of how a company releases a product. To keep us guessing and hopefully be intrigued.
  Granted, I was ok with the image someone made with the new and old graphics, but that was also just a photoshopped image, so we can't know for sure either way.

I for one, will give them full support until after it's been released and then judge. Who knows by then, I might even take your side!
  Or maybe some of you will realise it's not as bad as you thought.

 O:-)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: AlbinoAsian on September 21, 2014, 04:36:16 AM
Those with concerns feel free to email HiG... My brother is doing so. It's good for them to hear from those that are not excited about their new move.

Whether they respond or not don't worry but maybe they'll get the idea they need to make some more communication.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jéré on September 21, 2014, 06:34:16 AM
They have an account on this forum:
http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=104.msg649#msg649
They could answer directly the fans' concerns.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 21, 2014, 06:57:57 AM
I've sent some emails to HiG - Moritz Brunnhofer.
But it is weekend here in Germany. That means they are not in their office.
HiG has access in the forums.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: obervet on September 21, 2014, 07:15:01 PM
Instead of bashing the companies because of a decision they thought was appropriate, we should at least withhold and let it be revealed in full bloom.

As some of the previous posts already noted: We know so little. That is just part of how a company releases a product. To keep us guessing and hopefully be intrigued.

Maybe I'm just getting old and grumpy, but I'm really not interested in giving companies the benefit of the doubt when they are being deliberately opaque. They walk a fine line when they just drop a few little hints -- they want the consumer to be intrigued, and I'm okay with that if it comes to hinting about a new expansion. But that's not what this is. We all have questions about the aesthetics of future expansions, as well as the availability of announced expansions (i.e. the potential need to re-buy large collections over and over again), and HiG isn't saying a thing. Guess what? I'm not intrigued, I'm fed up with corporate bull***t. I have enough other ways to spend my time and money that don't have Carcassonne in the title.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: minnesotapenguin on September 21, 2014, 07:51:38 PM

Guess what? I'm not intrigued, I'm fed up with corporate bull***t. I have enough other ways to spend my time and money that don't have Carcassonne in the title.

What are you talking about? Corporate Bull***t? Do you think Wal-Mart is making Carcassonne? Do you think Apple or IBM? There is nothing corporate about this.

Hams Im Gluck is a tiny company. I'm guessing your local coffee shop employs more people than Hams Im Gluck.

They're not a corporation. They're some people trying to make games, and make a living at it.

First time poster. It's a great site. I'm a little surprised at how irrational people's anger can be over small issues. It does show a great dedication and love of the original game.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 21, 2014, 08:01:22 PM
There is nothing corporate about this.

Hams Im Gluck is a tiny company. I'm guessing your local coffee shop employs more people than Hams Im Gluck.

They're not a corporation. They're some people trying to make games, and make a living at it.


And we are just trying to give them clear and unambiguous feedback.

“We want to keep buying your products as long as you keep making the products we want to buy.”

All we are trying to get them to do is, continue to support the game in the same way they they have been doing.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: minnesotapenguin on September 21, 2014, 08:12:09 PM
I think it's just ridiculous to call them a corporation.

That's my only (main) point.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 21, 2014, 10:06:59 PM
Indeed, most game companies from Mayfair, Queen, and Kosmos to Dice Hate Me, Rio Grande, and Z-Man are in reality pretty small companies, sometimes stretched amazingly thin due to low staffing. In addition, they have to be researching up and coming authors, publishing games, distributing games, playtesting, marketing, etc., etc., etc. They are not corporations, except occasionally in the legal sense.

Hans im Glück has done an amazing job and they have released a lot of games over the years other than Carcassonne. Yet Carcassonne remains its core game and it is very odd that they have decided now, 9 major expansions, 2 base games, 20ish minor and promo expansions, and heavy marketing later to suddenly revise the game. Again, I strongly suspect they will release this as a mass-market version for places like Toys R Us and Target (in the US). I think negative reaction here alone may convince them that it isn't a good idea to keep going with the new design for expansions. They won't release expansions using both art styles, that just is unnecessarily costly to them and confusing to the public. I don't know what the reaction is like over at CarcF but it seems to be heavily against the new art here. I do wonder, though, if HiG feels trapped because of Doris's departure. Do they feel they cannot continue doing art in her style now? These are questions that still need answers and Hans im Glück, as the company that makes and distributes this game, needs to figure out their direction from here.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 21, 2014, 11:24:30 PM
... I don't know what the reaction is like over at CarcF but it seems to be heavily against the new art here...
The reaction is almost the same at CarcF.

I like the graphics from Anne Pätzke what she did for the Carcassonne Winter-Edition.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 21, 2014, 11:26:03 PM
I like the graphics from Anne Pätzke what she did for the Carcassonne Winter-Edition.
I do, too. In fact, I really want to pick that game up someday. But that doesn't mean I want the graphics of the base game changed.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 22, 2014, 01:17:17 AM
I like the graphics from Anne Pätzke what she did for the Carcassonne Winter-Edition.
I do, too. In fact, I really want to pick that game up someday. But that doesn't mean I want the graphics of the base game changed.

I also wanna say she isnt a bad designer. I have no problems with her. If they continu to support the old art, you hear no complains from me. If they want to make a new series without redesigning the previous expansions, so all new expansions, no tower, no inns complete new mechanics apart from the base game, then i might consider even buying it.

Its just strange after they just made me buy a box.of 60 euros.. almost spend 200 euros on the game last half year.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 22, 2014, 02:31:53 AM
I also like the Winter Edition graphics.

And I'll repeat that I haven't seen enough pictures yet of the new graphics to form a proper opinion. From what I've seen so far, I don't think I like the city/wall graphics much but I can't really say anything about anything else.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on September 22, 2014, 02:44:58 AM
I think it's just ridiculous to call them a corporation.

That's my only (main) point.
Even so, one can still be tired of their bullshit.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 22, 2014, 04:11:12 AM
One interesting thing I noticed on the new tiles was the larger and more obvious villages and towns printed on various tiles. Previously, they were little huts that were often hard to even register as anything other than a detailed dot on the map. This suggests to me that either the Abbot or a future expansion intends to use this enlarged feature in some way.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on September 22, 2014, 04:43:03 AM
One answer in the german HiG-facebook raised my suspicion that the new Abbott has something to do with the red roofs, too. Maybe you can place the Abbot and you count the red roofs around him (9 tiles or even 25 tiles).
I understand the new Abbot could not be used with the "old" Carcassonne-graphic, only with the new graphic according to the rule book.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: obervet on September 22, 2014, 06:03:45 AM
I think it's just ridiculous to call them a corporation.

That's my only (main) point.

They might technically be a corporation. I don't know German business law, but in the US it is possible to incorporate a business with a small number of individuals. You don't have to be Walmart to be a corporation.

Based on the decisions they have been making recently regarding forced unavailability of certain mini-expansions, I would argue that their business decisions are what we would expect of a corporation that is losing its connection to the people who have supported them. Thus, whether or not they are a corporation, they are behaving like one. Hence my use of the adjective "corporate," and all of the negative connotations that it carries.

People on this site are upset because they want to go on playing and collecting the game that they love, but some of HiG's decisions seem like they're trying to prevent that from happening.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: SRBO on September 22, 2014, 06:27:32 AM
One answer in the german HiG-facebook raised my suspicion that the new Abbott has something to do with the red roofs, too. Maybe you can place the Abbot and you count the red roofs around him (9 tiles or even 25 tiles).
I understand the new Abbot could not be used with the "old" Carcassonne-graphic, only with the new graphic according to the rule book.

That would be lots of roofs! to much. But who knows..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jéré on September 22, 2014, 08:03:02 AM
Here's a geeklist displaying all different art styles of Carcassonne since the beginning:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/179146/item/3443883#item3443883
...and comments about new edition are mostly negative there too... (Interestingly, this has been retweeted by Hans im Glück)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 22, 2014, 08:37:23 AM
Here's a geeklist displaying all different art styles of Carcassonne since the beginning:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/179146/item/3443883#item3443883
...and comments about new edition are mostly negative there too... (Interestingly, this has been retweeted by Hans im Glück)

A very good post (The Art(ists) of Carcassonne ), a lot of work went into compiling it.

In the illustration of the new game, the river seems to have fewer city structures on the banks of the river than is in the current game layout.  But we can only see a few river tiles

It is not the artwork itself that I object to but the possible impact on compatibility with new expansions  and the existing classic ones.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 22, 2014, 09:07:52 AM
also I just checked some photographs of the real carcassonne city and the blue roofs on the towers on the city walls is accurate
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 22, 2014, 09:45:39 AM
I thought I found them too, using Google Maps, but it turned out I was looking at a car park. That thing confuses me...
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on September 22, 2014, 10:07:28 AM
I think the roofs are mostly grey, some are red.
http://val-paris.blogspot.de/2011/01/carcassonne-ii.html
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 22, 2014, 11:00:14 AM
Yes, I think the blue is a trick of the light. The roofs are mainly grey/black and orange.

Here are some of my photos of Carcassonne for verification:
https://www.flickr.com/search/?details=1&w=81247086@N00&q=carcassonne

Edit: The turrets/roofs of the towers of Carcassonne aren't actually medieval; they were added in the 19th century.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 22, 2014, 11:13:43 AM
 
see

Carcassonne Medieval City Photo: A tower with blue tiled roof at Carcassone

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187151-d546268-i94788206-Carcassonne_Medieval_City-Carcassonne_Aude_Languedoc_Roussillon.html
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 22, 2014, 12:07:47 PM
Despite the title of the photo, I am not convinced this roof is actually blue.

In any case, most of the roofs are not blue. Trust me, I've been there :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 22, 2014, 12:19:03 PM
Yes well maybe HiG has had some of the roofs painted blue as a publicity stunt to promote and justify the new format in Carcassonne II
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 22, 2014, 12:47:21 PM
That seems the only sensible thing to do given their current position. If they weren't planning on doing this before, they certainly will be now...
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on September 22, 2014, 01:19:11 PM
I think this is the same tower, one of them has another light or is photoshopped ...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dipGyWXOL-M/TUxZAYtHIHI/AAAAAAAAB5k/V1RFCUOQUDY/s1600/P1230400-small.jpg (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dipGyWXOL-M/TUxZAYtHIHI/AAAAAAAAB5k/V1RFCUOQUDY/s1600/P1230400-small.jpg)

http://www.tripadvisor.ca/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187151-d546268-i94822724-Carcassonne_Medieval_City-Carcassonne_Aude_Languedoc_Roussillon.html (http://www.tripadvisor.ca/LocationPhotoDirectLink-g187151-d546268-i94822724-Carcassonne_Medieval_City-Carcassonne_Aude_Languedoc_Roussillon.html#last)
(go one photo to the left)

Could be a polarization filter as well. I think the roofs are of slate, sometimes it mirrors some of the light from the sky.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 22, 2014, 01:35:35 PM
 Canadian Traveller > Europe > Continental Europe > France
Carcassonne - Castle On The Hill
Published: Apr 19, 2014

Of all the attractions in the area of Carcassonne, La Cité is the biggest. La Cité is what that castle on the hill is referred to by locals. The fortified city is ringed by rampart walls that are punctuated by 52 watch towers. The distinctive witch hat-shapes blue shingled roofs were add by Viollet-le-Duc during the 19th century remodelling. The original roofs would have been much flatter and topped with grey slate.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 22, 2014, 09:41:46 PM
Getting back to the topic at hand (complaining about 2.0!  :green-meeple:) ... the comments on the Facebook page of the French publisher filosofia are almost all positive. People seem to like the artwork and only one person really raised the kinds of issues that we are raising here.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 22, 2014, 09:55:08 PM
Thanks for the heads up - I will get right over to the Z-man facebook page and start complaining there  :@
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 22, 2014, 10:35:44 PM
Thanks for the heads up - I will get right over to the Z-man facebook page and start complaining there  :@

RABBLE! RABBLE RABBLE!  >:( >:( >:( >:(  :(n) :(n) :(n) :(n)

(http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/15/152120/2170339-52469-189308-Rabble1jpg-620x.jpg)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jéré on September 23, 2014, 12:23:49 AM

Getting back to the topic at hand (complaining about 2.0!  :green-meeple:) ... the comments on the Facebook page of the French publisher filosofia are almost all positive. People seem to like the artwork and only one person really raised the kinds of issues that we are raising here.

Keep in mind that an admin of a fb page can easily delete some negative comments, especially if they are not constructive.  If someone writes that "this new edition stinks and I hate it"... Well I don't think it's going to stay very long on the official page of the publisher. To really gauge the reaction of the people I'd stick with this forum, the german one as well as BGG.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 23, 2014, 07:12:45 AM
Keep in mind that an admin of a fb page can easily delete some negative comments, especially if they are not constructive.  If someone writes that "this new edition stinks and I hate it"... Well I don't think it's going to stay very long on the official page of the publisher. To really gauge the reaction of the people I'd stick with this forum, the german one as well as BGG.

Good point, but the 'negative' comments that Carcking and I put on the Z-Man FB page are still there :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Benny on September 23, 2014, 01:18:20 PM
A few minutes ago Moritz Brunnhofer (from Hans im Glück) posted a long comment in the german forum CarcF.
In this post he explained the reasons for the new edition with some good examples of three new tiles.
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=1928&p=18534#p18534

I'm sorry, it is still in german. Perhaps I could manage it to translate it or make a summary during the next day (german time MWSZ  ;))

Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 23, 2014, 01:20:02 PM
A few minutes ago Moritz Brunnhofer (from Hans im Glück) posted a long comment in the german forum CarcF.
In the post he explained the reasons for the new edition with some good examples of the new tiles.
http://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=155&t=1928&p=18534#p18534
I'm sorry, it's in german. Perhaps I could manage it to translate it or make a summary during the next day (german time MWSZ  ;))

Thanks Benny, I think Moritz will answer here directly too.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 23, 2014, 02:21:55 PM
Sorry, Gerry,
I have to delete it.
Moritz Brunnhofer from HiG will answer himself here at CarcC.

But he need some time to translate it in the correct form.

Please wait.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: JT Atomico on September 23, 2014, 02:48:07 PM
I think the new tiles look really good! Excited about this new edition. #UnpopularOpinion
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Rosco on September 23, 2014, 02:54:23 PM
I think they look really good too - i do think it is a shame they dont gel well with the original artwork but i am not too bothered really.  the only thing that bothers me is the amount of hard earned cash i will need to spend on it!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on September 23, 2014, 03:49:38 PM
well I expect there will be a deluxe BIG BIG Box in about 12 - 18 months in the new format with all the expansions
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 23, 2014, 07:20:36 PM
That may not actually be a terrible deal – to include all the large expansions in one box. Not counting Wheel of Fortune, each expansion costs roughly $18 retail, I believe. The base game is $30 retail. Together, that would bring it to just under $200. Toss in the new River and maybe player pieces for up to 8 players, and that easily is $200. Then since a Big Box doesn't require as many boxes or rules sheets, there is a significant discount. It's roughly 30% off normally, though that varies from box to box. That would make the Carcassonne Big Box Complete $140. Not a bad deal at all for all new art and tiles.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 23, 2014, 10:09:45 PM
I think the new tiles look really good! Excited about this new edition. #UnpopularOpinion

Looking at the images posted in the link to CarcF, I must also agree that these look very good. In the promo picture I was worried about the lightness of the walls (and I still am a bit, even though this was addressed in the post), but the details on the tiles look really nice. I don't think I have the same problem with blue and red roofs that others have posted here. Actually I really like the coloured turrets because they evoke the real Carcassonne.

As one of the 'negative' posters about 2.0, I think I've been fairly consistent in saying that regardless of whether I like the new design, my main issue is that I don't want to mix old and new tiles (i.e. if new expansions come out with new tiles but the old expansions aren't updated with new tiles). So this is still a concern for me but we'll have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Guy on September 23, 2014, 11:49:35 PM
I'm intrigued more by what they mean by 'liquid entry'.  What are people's thoughts on how the gameplay is affected in this new edition of Carcassonne?  Could it be that they're introducing a hand of tiles as an official rule so that new players have more options when placing tiles? I can't think of other ways to change entry into the game...

Guy
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on September 24, 2014, 12:07:52 AM
I was intrigued by this too, although mostly by the way it was worded as much as anything else. I posted a couple of questions on one of the Facebook groups that announced it and was assured there that these were cosmetic changes only and that there would be no changes made to the basic rules, just an update to the rules booklet.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on September 24, 2014, 10:37:12 AM
Could it be that they're introducing a hand of tiles as an official rule so that new players have more options when placing tiles?

I hope not. I don't like the hand of tiles option myself.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on September 24, 2014, 10:58:48 AM
Could it be that they're introducing a hand of tiles as an official rule so that new players have more options when placing tiles?

I hope not. I don't like the hand of tiles option myself.
No hand of tiles.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on September 25, 2014, 03:58:03 AM
According to this blog http://www.trictrac.net/news/carcassonne-die-neuauflage the mechanic of the Abbot is as follows:
You can place him on a cloister or a garden and take him back whenever you want, if you don't placed a follower in your turn (like in "South Sea" and "Discovery"). The scoring is like the final scoring in that case.
Gardens are a new element, I think we could make garden tiles for the old edition, too, and replace regular tiles to play with this mini expansion.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Scott on September 26, 2014, 07:19:14 PM
I just read through Mortiz's post on CarcF. I wasn't able to understand everything, but I think I got 90% of it. In the Big Box thread I said I would never buy a Big Box, but now that I'm thinking more about the new artwork, I would be interested to buy a Big Box version with all new artwork.

I don't think we should be stressing out about things which are not firmly decided yet. However, I do think it's valid for us to express our concerns about the future of our favorite game. Even better would be a collaborative discussion between ourselves and the publishers. I see an opportunity to do some things differently with this new era of Carcassonne than what happened in the past. Maybe this time around, Spielbox won't get exclusive expansions that the other publishers can't sell. Maybe this time around there won't be a Catapult.

As with any work of art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like both the old art style as well as the new art style. Of course, my preference is for the old art style because I've been living with it for the past decade, but if the new art style will help the game remain popular for the next generation of gamers, then I'm supportive of it.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 27, 2014, 12:09:22 AM
I just read through Mortiz's post on CarcF. I wasn't able to understand everything, but I think I got 90% of it. In the Big Box thread I said I would never buy a Big Box, but now that I'm thinking more about the new artwork, I would be interested to buy a Big Box version with all new artwork.

I don't think we should be stressing out about things which are not firmly decided yet. However, I do think it's valid for us to express our concerns about the future of our favorite game. Even better would be a collaborative discussion between ourselves and the publishers. I see an opportunity to do some things differently with this new era of Carcassonne than what happened in the past. Maybe this time around, Spielbox won't get exclusive expansions that the other publishers can't sell. Maybe this time around there won't be a Catapult.

As with any work of art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like both the old art style as well as the new art style. Of course, my preference is for the old art style because I've been living with it for the past decade, but if the new art style will help the game remain popular for the next generation of gamers, then I'm supportive of it.

I don't mind the re-release of the Catapult. Just leave out the wooden catapult, all those tokens, put in a few more tiles and some new rules.  ;)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on September 27, 2014, 01:24:46 AM
I just read through Mortiz's post on CarcF. I wasn't able to understand everything, but I think I got 90% of it. In the Big Box thread I said I would never buy a Big Box, but now that I'm thinking more about the new artwork, I would be interested to buy a Big Box version with all new artwork.

I don't think we should be stressing out about things which are not firmly decided yet. However, I do think it's valid for us to express our concerns about the future of our favorite game. Even better would be a collaborative discussion between ourselves and the publishers. I see an opportunity to do some things differently with this new era of Carcassonne than what happened in the past. Maybe this time around, Spielbox won't get exclusive expansions that the other publishers can't sell. Maybe this time around there won't be a Catapult.

As with any work of art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like both the old art style as well as the new art style. Of course, my preference is for the old art style because I've been living with it for the past decade, but if the new art style will help the game remain popular for the next generation of gamers, then I'm supportive of it.

I don't mind the re-release of the Catapult. Just leave out the wooden catapult, all those tokens, put in a few more tiles and some new rules.  ;)
I think I'd prefer a retheme of the Catapult to be something like "The Travellers" or something suggestive of Gypsies/Roma. That would emphasize the tent aspect of the fair tiles rather than the catapult. The various tokens also need a repurposing. I still don't like the current alternate rules. Perhaps simply trying to toss the tiles onto the board would work.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on September 27, 2014, 01:30:40 AM
I just read through Mortiz's post on CarcF. I wasn't able to understand everything, but I think I got 90% of it. In the Big Box thread I said I would never buy a Big Box, but now that I'm thinking more about the new artwork, I would be interested to buy a Big Box version with all new artwork.

I don't think we should be stressing out about things which are not firmly decided yet. However, I do think it's valid for us to express our concerns about the future of our favorite game. Even better would be a collaborative discussion between ourselves and the publishers. I see an opportunity to do some things differently with this new era of Carcassonne than what happened in the past. Maybe this time around, Spielbox won't get exclusive expansions that the other publishers can't sell. Maybe this time around there won't be a Catapult.

As with any work of art, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I like both the old art style as well as the new art style. Of course, my preference is for the old art style because I've been living with it for the past decade, but if the new art style will help the game remain popular for the next generation of gamers, then I'm supportive of it.

I don't mind the re-release of the Catapult. Just leave out the wooden catapult, all those tokens, put in a few more tiles and some new rules.  ;)
I think I'd prefer a retheme of the Catapult to be something like "The Travellers" or something suggestive of Gypsies/Roma. That would emphasize the tent aspect of the fair tiles rather than the catapult. The various tokens also need a repurposing. I still don't like the current alternate rules. Perhaps simply trying to toss the tiles onto the board would work.

I cherish my collection. There is no tossing of my tiles or tokens, especially not onto other tiles!

There is a gypsy variant posted on this forum, I believe. Maybesomething worth pursuing.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: CKorfmann on September 27, 2014, 10:19:30 AM
I think it was Joff that had an expansion called the Jester and the Minstrel that works pretty well with this expansion. 
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: CarcAddict on September 27, 2014, 12:29:54 PM
I loved old edition, had many expansions for it.

But unfortunatelly I've lost all my collection to a dishonest (ex)friend.

Now buying everything back and catching up with new and limited expansions looks like overwhelming task (How could I buyback Tunnels ans Cult, Siege and Creativity for reasonable price ?).

I look forward to new edition as a fresh start and new life of Carcassonne for me.

I really love that new base game includes features that could be used by future expansions (gardens, piggsty, cottages and towers ine cities). This was always the problem with "old" Carcassone, no matter how many expansions you added, you still had those 72 boring tiles from base game :(.

New art looks good and I feel it might be a change for a better. I hope that future expansion will be more playtested and interact better with each other.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: mas9dj on October 05, 2014, 03:20:39 AM
I just had an idea, a what if... Appart from all reasons they gave us to make a new edition, I was wondering if the old edition represented old carcassonne and the new one is intended to represent current age carcassonne. This may sound silly but the darmstadd expansion gave me this idea, like "what if this is modern carcassonne", and maybe they have plenty of new themes to explore for future expansions, not just medieval ones. Of course I'm being absolutely crazy here, since they already have carcassonne around the world to make stuff like theme-change. I just wanted to share this crazy thought xD
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on October 10, 2014, 05:40:08 PM
Moritz Brunnhofer from HiG will answer himself here at CarcC.

But he need some time to translate it in the correct form.

Please wait.
Has there been enough time to "translate it in the correct form" yet? Or are they just ignoring us as usual?

Almost three weeks later ...
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Darwin on October 20, 2014, 04:08:36 AM
The rules for Carcassonne - New Edition in German are now available as a PDF at Cundo:
Rules for the base game (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/fileadmin/data_archive/Regeln/Carc_Basis_II_Regel.pdf)
Rules for the expansions (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/fileadmin/data_archive/Regeln/Carc_Basis_II_Beiblatt.pdf)

My German is not very good. I couldn’t get the grip of the rules for the new abbot, even with google translate .  >:(
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on October 20, 2014, 04:57:16 AM
You can place the Abbot on a cloister or a garden.

If you don't place a follower on a tile, you can take back the Abbot.

Score 9 points if the cloister or garden with the abbot is surrounded with 8 tiles or - if you took him back without completing - as many points as there are surrounding tiles + 1.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on October 20, 2014, 05:03:59 AM
You can place the Abbot on a cloister or a garden.

If you don't place a follower on a tile, you can take back the Abbot.

Score 9 points if the cloister or garden with the abbot is surrounded with 8 tiles or - if you took him back without completing - as many points as there are surrounding tiles + 1.
I hope these figures release separately because I'd totally buy them just to use with the cloisters. In games with expansions, there are enough cloisters for this to work. Perhaps use the vineyards as gardens also.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Darwin on October 20, 2014, 05:19:34 AM
You can place the Abbot on a cloister or a garden.

If you don't place a follower on a tile, you can take back the Abbot.

Score 9 points if the cloister or garden with the abbot is surrounded with 8 tiles or - if you took him back without completing - as many points as there are surrounding tiles + 1.
I hope these figures release separately because I'd totally buy them just to use with the cloisters. In games with expansions, there are enough cloisters for this to work. Perhaps use the vineyards as gardens also.

Yes, this could be interesting to use with the “old” Car. Feel I am “drowning” in cloisters, so this “little twist” with the Abbot might be a nice addition to make them more attractive.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on October 20, 2014, 05:56:36 AM
I hope these figures release separately because I'd totally buy them just to use with the cloisters. In games with expansions, there are enough cloisters for this to work. Perhaps use the vineyards as gardens also.

I made some garden tiles for the old designed Carcassonne, look here at CarcassonneForum:
http://carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=86&t=2054

I suggested to call the follower a gardener, I will use another special figure for it and will use the abbot on German cloisters as abbot (only one for every player) - they should be avalaible as spare part at cundco shop.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Rosco on October 20, 2014, 07:41:28 AM
Could you upload them here too for those of us that don't have CF accounts?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on October 20, 2014, 08:11:00 AM
The Garden Tiles are now in the downloads section. Have fun with it.
I made two tiles extra to hold balance: on the left side the 3rd and 4th.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: CKorfmann on October 20, 2014, 09:35:47 AM
I've come to the conclusion that I'm glad that there is a new addition that is different.  That means that the end is in sight and I can stop when the first edition is done.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: aenima on October 20, 2014, 12:16:33 PM
thank Fritz_Spinne!
your idea is very good!
I think you can make the river tile with the garden... I really like the idea that when I use this expansion I can put the normal 8 tiles with the other of the game and, if I play with the river, I can replace the tile from normal river with the river tile with the garden... it seems like the river from the BB5 whit sheeps and hills element!
and also... I think that to use the abbot meeple on the cloister it give a limit to the expansion... the abbot is still one for player, so... I think the abbot can be used with this garder like Carcassonne 2, but maybe in the normal carcassonne, to not confuse it with the normal abbot of the cloister, it can be called... mmm... I don't know... the Cardinal? the Pope of Carcassonne? I can imagine a cardinal, a pope or I don't know, an eminent figure of the church that make his tour around the churchs and the gardens of a city...  :o
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on October 20, 2014, 03:27:20 PM
Probably not The Pope, even though he was housed in Avignon for much of this time period of this game. Perhaps The Cardinal would be best.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: cidervampire on October 20, 2014, 03:41:51 PM
I can't read German but I couldn't see any diagrams showing farmers in the rules. Are they getting rid of farmers?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on October 20, 2014, 05:48:34 PM
I've come to the conclusion that I'm glad that there is a new addition that is different.  That means that the end is in sight and I can stop when the first edition is done.

Maybe I have not been paying attention but has anything official been stated in the past few days regarding  HiG going forward with the old or new tile designs for expansions?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on October 20, 2014, 09:38:17 PM
I can't read German but I couldn't see any diagrams showing farmers in the rules. Are they getting rid of farmers?
They have the farmers in the final scoring, pointing to the next pages. On the "Beiblatt" there are the farmer rules, the river and the new abbot mini expansion. Feels like the farmers are an expansion ...
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: mas9dj on October 22, 2014, 05:05:19 AM
I can't read German but I couldn't see any diagrams showing farmers in the rules. Are they getting rid of farmers?
They have the farmers in the final scoring, pointing to the next pages. On the "Beiblatt" there are the farmer rules, the river and the new abbot mini expansion. Feels like the farmers are an expansion ...

I recall someone mentioning that they'd make like a basic set of rules where farms are not included and then making an advanced version with farms. This way people new to the game would have it easier to get the handle of it, and once they know how to play, they add farms into the mix. Though I'm not 100% sure where I read this.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Jéré on October 22, 2014, 05:34:07 AM
A "No Fields" mode already exists in Carcassonne iOS. Just score cities, roads & monasteries and farmer placement is disabled. Indeed good for children or people discovering the game for the first time.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on October 22, 2014, 05:34:33 AM
I recall someone mentioning that they'd make like a basic set of rules where farms are not included and then making an advanced version with farms. This way people new to the game would have it easier to get the handle of it, and once they know how to play, they add farms into the mix. Though I'm not 100% sure where I read this.

Seems like a good idea. Whenever I'm playing Carcassonne with anyone who hasn't already played it it's often a lot easier to leave them out at first, then introduce them after a couple of games.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on October 22, 2014, 05:47:16 AM
I recall someone mentioning that they'd make like a basic set of rules where farms are not included and then making an advanced version with farms. This way people new to the game would have it easier to get the handle of it, and once they know how to play, they add farms into the mix. Though I'm not 100% sure where I read this.

Seems like a good idea. Whenever I'm playing Carcassonne with anyone who hasn't already played it it's often a lot easier to leave them out at first, then introduce them after a couple of games.

I can verify this exist in Big Box 5. Every section of the rulebook where farmers are mentioned has this info with a yellow (  :meeple: ) background where it's written that you recommend playing without farmers when playing with beginners.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Tacita on November 02, 2014, 04:11:17 PM
Moritz Brunnhofer from HiG will answer himself here at CarcC.

But he need some time to translate it in the correct form.

Please wait.
Six weeks and counting.
Title: Carcassonne 2.0
Post by: Deonza on November 17, 2014, 11:32:39 PM
Carcassonne 2.0 releases in December, so my question is...

Do you buy the new edition and add it to your game or do you buy and play as standalone..?

Lets discuss...
Title: Re: Carcassonne 2.0
Post by: SRBO on November 17, 2014, 11:37:39 PM
Most of us see it as a standalone with the abbot expansion and the spiel 14 tile.
Ofc you can add phatom too..
Title: Re: Carcassonne 2.0
Post by: danisthirty on November 18, 2014, 02:20:27 AM
Hi Deonza!

The question of how the new version of the Carcassonne base game is going to be treated has been discussed fairly extensively here: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true? (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1002)

My personal opinion is that whilst I do quite like it, I will probably treat it as a stand alone game in the same way as I do the Winter edition. It doesn't look too bad if you mix the different art styles (see here for examples:
First game with new artwork (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1217)) so I guess you could still play it combined with expansions in the old artwork if you wanted to.

Dan
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on December 03, 2014, 11:04:41 AM
Finally we have the statement.

HiG and Zman games decided to make one at the homepage from zman games.

The text has the same basis like the German text from Moritz Brunnhofer (HiG) at the Carcassonne-Forum (CarcF).

Here is the link to the statement:
Carcassonne New Edition FAQ (http://zmangames.com/nouvelles-details.php?id=454)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on December 03, 2014, 11:38:34 AM
My biggest problem with the new edition has always been the incompatibility of the new and old tiles and the fact that the publishers didn't seem to recognise this or realise that it would be an issue for many people. And that has continued with this statement:

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The front of the tiles has a different style, but as you can see on these pictures, the mix of “old” and “new” is 100% playable.

I would say it is far less than 100% playable. Of course, this is just my opinion and others may see it differently. I remember Yellow saying he wouldn't mind mixing the tiles, so maybe it's just me :)

Anyway, for now I am happy with the old edition.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 03, 2014, 12:03:51 PM
When working on the artwork for a user expansion, I keep trying to get a closer match on the shade of green I use for the fields while still trying to keep the city colours in sync as well – I guess this is not an issue for the new edition.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on December 03, 2014, 01:05:06 PM
They are compatible, to some degree.

What strikes me odd is people never had trouble with the various releases before. Some examples:

The Plague. Tiles are WAY thicker than the tiles from the base game and stands out easily. Sure, shuffle bag, but some of us don't use them.

Big Box 4 and 5. These tiles have a very different shade of green. It's a clear difference and stands out when looking at the big board.

From the image posted somewhere by danisthirty where you can see V1 and V2 of Carcassonne base game, these seems to fit better than Big Box 4 or 5 with the old base game.

In the end, though, it's a matter of choice. I for one will not buy the new version same reason I am not getting Half's, GQ11 etc. I got enough for a variety game options, far more than able to implement with friends in the long run!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on December 03, 2014, 01:13:39 PM
Good news that a statement has been made in English. Thanks kettlefish for any involvement you will undoubtedly have had in bringing this up with HiG...  :(y)

My biggest problem with the new edition has always been the incompatibility of the new and old tiles and the fact that the publishers didn't seem to recognise this or realise that it would be an issue for many people. And that has continued with this statement:

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The front of the tiles has a different style, but as you can see on these pictures, the mix of “old” and “new” is 100% playable.

I would say it is far less than 100% playable.

I totally agree with jungleboy on this. It feels a little bit desperate to repeatedly point this out when it's clear to anyone who already owns Carcassonne that mixing the tiles will not look good (perhaps no worse than some of the greens on existing expansions but these have always been complained about too). Fortunately I appear to be perhaps uniquely tolerant of this and actually quite like this mix, but I don't expect many others to feel the same way as I do. The backs of the tiles are largely irrelevant as far as I'm concerned.

Technically the tiles are playable but they would also be playable if they were just blank tiles with "crfr" (or whatever) written on the front in biro!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 03, 2014, 01:30:42 PM
I guess I would have less of a concern if it was new style artwork combined with new functionality – but it is a new look but without any real new game play -why did they bother?
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on December 03, 2014, 01:52:15 PM
What strikes me odd is people never had trouble with the various releases before.

I have problems with these too :) The one that upsets me the most is the Cathars, because the artwork is so great by itself but the colouring is very off compared with the regular tiles. That's why I'm happy to have the Besiegers now.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on December 04, 2014, 08:00:22 AM
Z-man Games has the official English rules online now:

Carcassonne New Edition (http://zmangames.com/rulebooks/Carcassonne_New_Edition.pdf)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Safari on December 04, 2014, 03:47:51 PM
Oh, my... Do the black meeples have a face?!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: kettlefish on December 04, 2014, 03:51:38 PM
Oh, my... Do the black meeples have a face?!
That is interesting...

Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 04, 2014, 03:56:47 PM
Looks like this edition was brought to you by the good folks at Fisher Price (your favorite Fisher Price Toys and Baby Gear. Find parenting guides, playtime ideas, advice from experts, kids toys, baby toys and more!)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Safari on December 04, 2014, 05:17:47 PM
Looks like this edition was brought to you by the good folks at Fisher Price (your favorite Fisher Price Toys and Baby Gear. Find parenting guides, playtime ideas, advice from experts, kids toys, baby toys and more!)
ad?!  8)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: coyote on December 05, 2014, 07:17:46 AM
Oh, my... Do the black meeples have a face?!

..But not the farmers. They apparently don't need faces..
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 05, 2014, 07:55:05 AM
Oh, my... Do the black meeples have a face?!

..But not the farmers. They apparently don't need faces..
farmers are lying face down, dead drunk with dispair at the new artwork
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on December 05, 2014, 01:28:19 PM
Oh, my... Do the black meeples have a face?!

That is quite bizarre. I get the impression they are trying to target this release at 10 to 12 year-olds. The entire landscape looks like a cartoon. Very strange.

On a related note. Is anyone else confused by what is going on on the front of the box? Is that some guy trying escape out of a window with knotted sheets? And how about the woman looking directly at you...and your shadow projecting onto the box. It's kind of creepy. The theme is incongruous with the low intelligence level of the tile art. It's very paradoxical.  ???
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on December 05, 2014, 01:44:16 PM
Oh, my... Do the black meeples have a face?!

..But not the farmers. They apparently don't need faces..
farmers are lying face down, dead drunk with dispair at the new artwork
I can't stop smiling at this comment.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on December 05, 2014, 02:20:58 PM
...Is anyone else confused by what is going on on the front of the box? Is that some guy trying escape out of a window with knotted sheets? And how about the woman looking directly at you...and your shadow projecting onto the box. It's kind of creepy. The theme is incongruous with the low intelligence level of the tile art. It's very paradoxical.  ???

Yellow and I tried to come up with some captions for them here:  :)

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1205.msg14819#msg14819

EDIT: Fortunately there are no faces on the actual meeples themselves!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: coyote on December 08, 2014, 08:28:26 AM
Oh, my... Do the black meeples have a face?!

..But not the farmers. They apparently don't need faces..
farmers are lying face down, dead drunk with dispair at the new artwork
Well done! :D
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: aenima on December 09, 2014, 08:07:32 AM
Today I opened the box of the new edition... I have to admit that the new design is much more beautiful in live then in photo!
the only problem is the green abbot... is lame! :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on December 09, 2014, 11:19:54 AM
Today I opened the box of the new edition... I have to admit that the new design is much more beautiful in live then in photo!
the only problem is the green abbot... is lame! :)

That's the one that would be fought over in my group. (rare factory defect - uber valuable)  :D
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 09, 2014, 12:37:57 PM
Today I opened the box of the new edition... I have to admit that the new design is much more beautiful in live then in photo!
the only problem is the green abbot... is lame! :)

Actually he is not lame  - he is running  -fleeing the Cathars, Besiegers  or heretics or grumpy forum members .
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on December 09, 2014, 01:16:41 PM
It's because he has to bend over too much to take care of his garden. He wishes he could go over to the old artwork where there are no gardens and he could just hang out in his cloister :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 09, 2014, 02:31:58 PM
Cloister ????  NO NO NO  -- it is now called a Monastery and a thief is now called a highwayman.  Having just read the new edition instructions I am beginning to think the artwork not so bad.   Followers are now called meeples so what does that make a pig or a builder?  ( a follower was, up until now, a subset of meeple -   all followers are meeples but not all meeples are followers ).


I suppose the introduction of French into the documentation was to add (as Austin Powers once said) “A certain I don't know what” ambience to the rules.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Safari on December 10, 2014, 04:48:55 PM
Highwayman?! You are kidding, aren't you?!
I have to wonder what is worse: the design or the rules. :(
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Carcking on December 10, 2014, 05:27:36 PM
Highwayman?! You are kidding, aren't you?!
I have to wonder what is worse: the design or the rules. :(

I would say they are fully complimentary. It's Carcassonne dumbed down.  :-\
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on December 11, 2014, 12:05:57 AM
So many pekkish. I'm glad Carcassonne v2 does not affect me.  >:D

I saw the new version in a local store last Saturday. Nothing fancy and certainly not my cup of tea.

But I also do not care much for compatibility graphics wise either, nor the rule changes. There are far more important things in life than to go on bickering about the new version. I get it, it's a dismay. Yet still, many of you guys bought it anyway.

Just saying.  :@
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 11, 2014, 02:23:37 AM

 There are far more important things in life than to go on bickering about the new version. I get it, it's a dismay. Yet still, many of you guys bought it anyway.

Just saying.  :@

Yes  but it is so much fun to gossip and complain.  Certainly more diverting than discussing reprints of cloisters as German monasteries, Belgian Monasteries, Vulcan Monasteries etc.   As someone who has, among many ailments, an issue with high blood pressure I can assure you that Carcassonne 2 has in no way caused me any stress.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Safari on December 11, 2014, 05:02:02 AM
Still, there is one thing I have to mention: Last weekend we included the Spiel14 tile in our Carcassonne game, and you don't really notice the difference in artwork. The different colours of the meadow is far worse.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on December 11, 2014, 05:46:10 AM
Today I came across Carcassonne 2 in a department store, so I held it in my hands ... and didn't buy it. #vomitpizza  :green-meeple:
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on December 11, 2014, 05:53:28 AM
That looks like the hand of a Carcassonne player...
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on December 11, 2014, 05:53:52 AM
LOL!

I can't win can I?

O ye of little appreciations....

It's hard to be on your side, something I was at first when I saw the Carcasonne v2. But now, I am switching side. I hope they discontinue Carcassonne altogether and find a new fanbase and release an identical game called Landscape Evolution.  O:-)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on December 11, 2014, 06:04:10 AM
It's not really about sides. I have my own opinions towards this version of the game, which I've already discussed, but I wouldn't deny others the opportunity to speak up for or against it (regardless of how long it's been going on for).

I own the new version of the game and I quite like it for simple, base-game only games with my wife or whoever in the same way as we play Winter Edition. I still enjoy reading other people's thoughts and criticisms though.

Chillax dude!   :meeple: 8) :(y)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 11, 2014, 06:07:31 AM
The one main regret I have is, that it came so late to this game.  It would have been nice to be a fan while HiG were  bringing out exciting large expansions like Traders and Inns and you had something to look forward to.  Anticipation is always nice.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on December 11, 2014, 06:12:46 AM
The one main regret I have is, that it came so late to this game.  It would have been nice to be a fan while HiG were  bringing out exciting large expansions like Traders and Inns and you had something to look forward to.  Anticipation is always nice.

Call it blind optimism if you like, but I'm hopeful that there are plenty such times ahead of us. Sheep & Hills was received pretty well quite recently after all.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on December 11, 2014, 06:16:48 AM
That looks like the hand of a Carcassonne player...

The other nails are longer but I have trouble not biting the thumbnails...

Sheep & Hills was received pretty well quite recently after all.

I think you'll find it's called Hills and Sheep. Or maybe it is Sheep and Hills? Or Vineyards and Wolves? I've forgotten now...  :green-meeple: 
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on December 11, 2014, 06:21:29 AM
Sheep & Hills was received pretty well quite recently after all.

I think you'll find it's called Hills and Sheep. Or maybe it is Sheep and Hills? I've forgotten now...  :green-meeple:

I couldn't remember either so I just went with what it says under the forum profile expansion checklist.  :)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 11, 2014, 06:58:00 AM
The one main regret I have is, that it came so late to this game.  It would have been nice to be a fan while HiG were  bringing out exciting large expansions like Traders and Inns and you had something to look forward to.  Anticipation is always nice.

Call it blind optimism if you like, but I'm hopeful that there are plenty such times ahead of us. Sheep & Hills was received pretty well quite recently after all.

yes, if they continue with expansions like that it would be nice
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Paul on December 11, 2014, 09:04:27 AM
It's not really about sides. I have my own opinions towards this version of the game, which I've already discussed, but I wouldn't deny others the opportunity to speak up for or against it (regardless of how long it's been going on for).

I own the new version of the game and I quite like it for simple, base-game only games with my wife or whoever in the same way as we play Winter Edition. I still enjoy reading other people's thoughts and criticisms though.

Chillax dude!   :meeple: 8) :(y)

Oh you guys are waaay past opinions, like months way past. And way past complaints. It's now just nagging.  :P
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 11, 2014, 09:22:46 AM
I would just point out that this topic had sort of died down but kettlefish keeps posting nuggets from HiG and Z-man which gives us new stuff to chew over.

Most companies would have to pay good money to get feedback on their product lines and product changes (market research) and on this forum they are getting it for free.  No one has been especially nasty in their response to HiG though I admit to laying on the attitude a bit thick.  But I think the message from this forum has been quite clear – just keep the expansions like Hills and Sheep coming and we will buy it.  Now whether or not the people on this forum are representative of  the general buying public for the Carcassonne game I could not say.

Also you should know that I am in the Canadian mountain standard time zone , 7- 9 hours behind the rest of you.  Being able to get on here and having a bit of a rant is what gets an old guy like me out of bed in the morning.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 11, 2014, 10:17:57 AM
Actually it just occurred to me that they might consider bumping up the price of any new expansions and issue them with both sets of artwork. 

 Of course if the expansion included any new figures this would prevent people from splitting it between 2 people.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Fritz_Spinne on December 11, 2014, 10:31:16 AM
Actually it just occurred to me that they might consider bumping up the price of any new expansions and issue them with both sets of artwork. 
Best solution: every new expansion with tiles for both styles in one box! ... I think the tiles and even the wooden pieces are not so expensive.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: quevy on December 11, 2014, 10:54:02 AM
Best solution: every new expansion with tiles for both styles in one box! ... I think the tiles and even the wooden pieces are not so expensive.
This would be the best solution that satisfies everyone.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Gerry on December 12, 2014, 12:14:56 AM
It's not really about sides. I have my own opinions towards this version of the game, which I've already discussed, but I wouldn't deny others the opportunity to speak up for or against it (regardless of how long it's been going on for).

I own the new version of the game and I quite like it for simple, base-game only games with my wife or whoever in the same way as we play Winter Edition. I still enjoy reading other people's thoughts and criticisms though.

Chillax dude!   :meeple: 8) :(y)

I notice that Danisthirty gets a Photo Credit on the Z-man game site    :(y)

http://zmangames.com/nouvelles-details.php?id=454
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: danisthirty on December 12, 2014, 01:25:33 AM
Yes, that came as quite a surprise. I didn't even recognise the photos until I saw my name next to them, but was pleased to see that it had generated a little bit of publicity for Carcassonne Central in the process!

The original pictures were posted on these forums here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1217.msg15154#msg15154) and here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1217.msg15274#msg15274). Nobody had forwarded these to Z-Man games or made them aware that we had them as far as I'm aware so be careful, we're being watched!  C:-)
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Safari on December 16, 2014, 05:49:19 PM
The one main regret I have is, that it came so late to this game.  It would have been nice to be a fan while HiG were  bringing out exciting large expansions like Traders and Inns and you had something to look forward to.  Anticipation is always nice.

Call it blind optimism if you like, but I'm hopeful that there are plenty such times ahead of us. Sheep & Hills was received pretty well quite recently after all.
Well, maybe the new Edition might be your chance! :)

yes, if they continue with expansions like that it would be nice
Actually it just occurred to me that they might consider bumping up the price of any new expansions and issue them with both sets of artwork. 

 Of course if the expansion included any new figures this would prevent people from splitting it between 2 people.
Hm, this would be a good compromise, but still: who should illustrate the tiles?!
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Whaleyland on December 16, 2014, 06:46:12 PM
I'm gonna come out as the naysayer here and state that expansions printed with twice the number of tiles to satisfy fans of both styles would never fly, won't ever be a thing, would be economically unfeasible, and would be downright confusing. It's just not going to happen. Hans im Glück said it themselves: the tiles, in their eyes, are compatible. If they decide to replace the expansions with new-art versions, then they will. People will have to decide when they buy them if they want to hunt down old versions or go for the versions readily available on the store shelves. I'm guessing most people will go for the easy ones, even if they own an old version of Carcassonne. Most probably won't even be too horrified to discover they are different versions. They technically will work together just fine. Future versions of old expansions will undoubtedly have gardens printed on some tiles, and I fully expect a future expansion to take advantage of the larger villages and houses printed on the tiles.

I think we won't know the future of Carcassonne until mid-2015 when new expansions, if any, are announced. I suspect the next Big Box may be the first major signal to tell us if they're going full new-art or not. If they make a Big Box with the old art, I doubt they are sticking with the new art commercially. It will just become another novelty. But if they go all out to update the Big Box with new art for all its included expansions (whatever those may be), then I think we can kiss our old art goodbye permanently. We just have to wait and see.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: Scott on December 24, 2014, 08:28:27 AM
Yes, that came as quite a surprise. I didn't even recognise the photos until I saw my name next to them, but was pleased to see that it had generated a little bit of publicity for Carcassonne Central in the process!

The original pictures were posted on these forums here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1217.msg15154#msg15154) and here (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1217.msg15274#msg15274). Nobody had forwarded these to Z-Man games or made them aware that we had them as far as I'm aware so be careful, we're being watched!  C:-)

I think Kalinda saw them in one of the newsletters. She sent me an e-mail asking if she could use them on the FAQ page and I suspected you would be ok with that.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: thehindujesus on January 24, 2015, 09:46:26 PM
I'm sorry if this has already been asked.  Is it confirmed whether or not future expansions (mini, full, or otherwise) will be exclusively released with the new artwork?  I spent a few months completing my collection and finished right around the time this new version was released.  I will be kind of disappointed if any future expansions will not match the art style of my current collection, as that would make my entire collection completely obsolete.
Title: Re: Carcassonne - new Edition - Is that true?
Post by: jungleboy on January 24, 2015, 10:35:40 PM
It isn't known what direction they will go in for future expansions, although many people suspect that they will be in the new artwork only.

But this wouldn't make your collection obsolete. You can still enjoy playing our beloved game with our beloved artwork and its current expansions for many years to come no matter what happens with the future of the game.