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Title: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 25, 2016, 02:06:42 AM
The Completionism Poll is a weekly series where we ask how much of a completionist you are by breaking the game down into different expansions and elements. This week we look at the River, with a specific focus on the so-called River (III) from Big Box 5.

The River (River I) was released in 2001. It has variously been attached to copies of the base game or available as a mini-expansion.

The River II was released in 2005 and was later packaged with the expansion King, Count and Robber (2008). It contains a fork in the river, some different tile configurations, and it also has expansion features on it (an inn, a volcano tile and a pig herd tile).

In 2014, Big Box 5 included a new version of the River I. The tile configuration is the same but there are expansion elements from Hills and Sheep (two tiles with vineyards and two with sheep).

Do you consider the new River to be the River III and is it therefore something that must be owned, or is it just the River I repackaged and therefore not worthy of purchase? How many rivers is enough rivers for your collection? Vote in the poll and discuss your thoughts below.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Christopher on January 25, 2016, 03:03:55 AM
I own I and II, which I consider to be enough for a complete collection. However, I would like to own III for its contribution to other expansions, namely, the sheep and the vineyards. If anyone has a spare copy, I would be interested in buying it.

I voted for option three though, because as I said, I consider I and III a reprint. I wouldn't play with I, II and III in Mega-Carcassonne, whereas I have played with I and II together. III would replace I, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 25, 2016, 03:28:46 AM
I own I and II, which I consider to be enough for a complete collection.

This is my view too, so I voted the same. I'm sure I would buy III if I came across it at a good price, but I'm not actively looking for it and I consider my collection complete without it. Of the new things that came in BB5, the language-independent Wheel of Fortune start tile was the most important thing for me, since I only had the German version of Wheel of Fortune. So I bought that separately from the Carcassonne Shoppe before it closed, rather than buying the entire Big Box 5, which would have also given me the River III.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Chooselife on January 25, 2016, 03:53:14 AM
Other!  8)

I bought a Big Box 5 last year swapped the River III for the River I keeping the Wheel of Fortune tiles.
I then gloriously gifted the box to nephews.

They got a nice Carcassonne starter pack and I got two strikes on my collection.

I do nevertheless consider River I and III to be the same just with a different art more like River I and I.I  ;)
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: hunnymonster on January 25, 2016, 04:26:29 AM
I have the Kings, Counts & Robbers/Consorts version and the Big Box 5 version - so I have II & III (at least that's how it appears to me...)

edit (in light of Guy's post below) and I have GQ11 :)
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Guy on January 25, 2016, 04:28:11 AM
Just to throw another variable in: Is your river collection complete if you don't have the GQ11 river tiles...?
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Christopher on January 25, 2016, 04:38:38 AM
Just to throw another variable in: Is your river collection complete if you don't have the GQ11 river tiles...?

Q. Is your collection complete if you don't own the GQ11 expansion?
A. No!  :P

It seems unlikely that you would have the GQ11 expansion minus the River tiles, and given that I'm assuming most completionists have GQ, this probably doesn't come up!
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: danisthirty on January 25, 2016, 04:42:26 AM
I own all 3, but have never included them all in one game and probably never will.

I'm sure we'll all have different ideas about it, but as a completionist I'm content that I have River 1 & 2 as boxed mini-expansions as well as from other sources (River 1: Z-Man Games box and as a sheet from Cundco, River 2: Count, King & Consort).

Interesting question about GQ#11. I would say that my River collection was complete without it, but of course, my overall collection wouldn't be complete without it.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 25, 2016, 04:50:55 AM
Re: GQ11, I considered including it but adding extra variables and overcomplicating things makes the polls more difficult to create. So feel free to discuss it by all means, but for the poll I was more thinking about how the River (III) fits into our ideas of completionism.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Valheru on January 25, 2016, 05:23:17 AM
I have river II and III (the one from the big box). Seems enough for me. GQ-tiles are ofcourse welcome but I do not consider them as essential for River-purposes.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Paul on January 25, 2016, 05:42:38 AM
I don't know why Scandinavia insist on having the river included in several releases. I got like a thousand river tiles. x_x Ok, maybe not that much but feels like it!

Base games and Inns & Cathedrals always comes with the river, and sometimes it's not even mentioned in the box cover or back, which is weird. :)
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: DIN0 on January 25, 2016, 05:55:35 AM
I have the Kings, Counts & Robbers/Consorts version and the Big Box 5 version - so I have II & III (at least that's how it appears to me...)

edit (in light of Guy's post below) and I have GQ11 :)
same here, but I will get original river I, because it was until just recently a big and important part of Carcassonne. Big box 5 version is better in every way  thus replacing it, but I feel like I still have to get it because it deserves an honorable place in my collection :orange-meeple: :black1-meeple: :gray-meeple:
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Gabrielgeek01 on January 25, 2016, 06:01:45 AM
I own River II as part of the 6. Expansion (Count, King and Robber).
I also have the BB5 River.
Finally, I have the GQ11 River tiles, which I consider an expansion of River II (since one is IDENTICAL with one of the River I/III tiles).
Don't miss the original River at all.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 25, 2016, 08:09:51 AM
Thanks to everyone for their contributions so far!

I'm sure we'll all have different ideas about it, but as a completionist I'm content that I have River 1 & 2 as boxed mini-expansions as well as from other sources (River 1: Z-Man Games box and as a sheet from Cundco, River 2: Count, King & Consort).

In the hope of starting a *friendly* discussion on the sidelines of the River topic, here goes.  8)

This type of thing came up in an off-air discussion I had with Whaleyland. I used to be a non-completionist, and now I'm a 'light' completionist, whereas you are more like an uber-completionist (as long as you're happy with that term!). And this is where I think the uber-completionists have 'lost' me: am I right in saying that the tiles of the individual boxed versions and the other versions you mentioned are exactly the same? If so, I personally don't see the point/benefit in having both simply because of the manner of release.

To give another example: I have the King and Robber Baron from King, Count and Consort. I semi-recently bought H&G in Spain, and it contained the King and Scout expansion. So now I have two versions of the King. My first and only thought was that I have two identical versions of the same expansion and I don't want or need both, so I was planning to give it away as part of your giveaway this year (if you do it again). Would you (or others) want to keep both only because they were released in two different ways?

Have at it.  O0
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Chooselife on January 25, 2016, 08:19:06 AM
Would you (or others) want to keep both only because they were released in two different ways?

No!
I agree with you, if it's the same tiles with the same art I don't see them as different collectibles just on the "origin" account.
Now if the "functional" art is different I would consider keeping the most complete set or both, only, if they apply differently to the game.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: ARabidMeerkat on January 25, 2016, 08:23:33 AM
I own I and II, which I consider to be enough for a complete collection.

I wouldn't play with I, II and III in Mega-Carcassonne, whereas I have played with I and II together. III would replace I, in my opinion.

I feel the same and this goes for all other slight variants. However,  I do consider River 1 and 2 to be different because the tiles in R2 are a lot better and are also an expansion and complementation to R1. R3 is, in my opinion, just a rehash of R1.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Hounk on January 25, 2016, 09:53:38 AM
I own I & II, and don't consider getting III, but there is a tricky explanation for that. I would actually quite like having the H&S features on the tiles (and probably more features of different expansions to mix and match with the expansions in play), but I didn't get the "River III", when it was possible at Carcasonne Shoppe because of a single purpose: I disliked the fact, that the backs are not in starter tile colours.

I obviously got first River II through "King, Count & Consorted", then bought River I at CundCo, when I made my big "mini expansion order" with Halflings, Phantoms, etc. there. I actually hesitated, if I "need" River I, owning II, but besides the fact, that it was cheap and available and would not increase the postal fee, there were two reasons, I decided, to buy it. First I like the "house rule", that the river has two springs and one lake rather then the opposite. (I use the one with Volcano, if playing P&D, the one with city, if using River II without this particular expansion.) Second, i thought (though have not tested jet), that a combo of 23 River I & II might be a good start for Plague, instead of having to fiddly counting 18 tiles for a "plague free" stack.

Some time after the discontinuing of Carcassonne Shoppe, I by chance got hands on the blue Carcassonne drawing bag. So with that, River III would have been more interesting, because the different backs of the tiles is no issue for me any more. However, since it just includes features of one expansion, it did not give me a big grief, not having this one.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Whaleyland on January 25, 2016, 01:05:26 PM
I of course clicked the first option because I consider the additions of the Hills & Sheep features to mark this as a new, albeit lazily implemented, edition of The River concept. However, I also hesitantly say "Other" in that The River (III) is really just a better implementation of The River (I). The addition of the watermark, so long missing from The River (I), rather confirms for me that the Big Box 5 edition of that expansion is the definitive version of it – the one that is worth getting. Thus if I were to give away an expansion at this point (which I'm not planning to do, but I digress), my original River (I) expansion would probably be it. It is now redundant, replaced by The River (III). In other words, while I find The River (III) essential for a complete collection of Carcassonne, I no longer consider the original River essential so long as you have its new iteration.

The River (III) IS The River (I), and should be considered the only version of that expansion that's absolutely necessary.

As a side note, The River (I) was the only stand-alone Hans im Glück boxed expansion that had no watermark on its tiles until BB5 released. Yes there were plenty of promos and expansions never intended to be sold separately (like The Festival or The Windroses) but The River (I) was the only early mini expansion not to receive the watermark treatment, even after its initial release in Big Box 1 (that's where my copy came from). Thus the fact that it finally has a watermark suggests to me that Hans im Glück finally considers it en par with The River II and the other mini expansions. Watermarks are an important cue to me that I should consider an expansion different from another expansion (Spielbox vs HiG watermarks, usually), but a lack of a watermark does not necessarily tell me anything worthwhile.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Andrew the Ambo on January 25, 2016, 04:43:06 PM
I happened to have just ordered this through eBay. A user called gameshelf.
I also got the WoF tiles and language independent wheel.

I blame ARabidMeerkat for mentioning it in the WoF buy post and making me spend more money.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Khonnor on January 26, 2016, 01:23:29 AM
I own all three.

R1 - This is included with Inns expansion in The Netherlands. Over here it's actually just called "The Expansion", although I believe this will be changed for C2.0 editions.

R2 - This is included with the Count/King/Consorts expansion in The Netherlands.

R3 - I did buy a Big Box, for the R3 tiles, the text-free wheel tile and the Hills And Sheep tile that was missing a watermark in the stand-alone expansion box. And that would just drive me crazy  ;D All the other BB tiles are still unpunched and might be used as spares/replacements in the future.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on January 26, 2016, 04:48:50 AM
No one has mentioned thw River from Carcassonne2.0.  No river collection is complete without it  :))
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 26, 2016, 04:54:24 AM
The River (III) is really just a better implementation of The River (I). The addition of the watermark, so long missing from The River (I), rather confirms for me that the Big Box 5 edition of that expansion is the definitive version of it – the one that is worth getting.

A couple of things here. Perhaps the River II is the exception, but typically I prefer expansions not to have other expansion elements on them. For example, I play with the halflings quite a lot but never with the expansion ones unless we're already playing with H&S and Crop Circles. So it would kind of bug me to have the River (III) and to use it in a game that did not feature H&S, the same way it bugs me that there are Inns on the BC&B tiles (although in this case I think this is more of a hint to get you to use Inns to make bridges more worthwhile).

Secondly, the watermark. I see watermarks as nothing more than a way to identify and separate tiles. So for example, the lack of a watermark on the GQ11 tiles is annoying, because it's harder to sort them at the end of a game. But since River tiles are so easy to distinguish, it doesn't bother me in the slightest that there is no watermark.

So I guess what I'm saying is that if I had neither the River I nor III, and I had the chance to choose just one of them, I'd take the River I, because the watermark is a non-issue for me and because I'd rather the H&S elements not be there.

And one final thing to add: most of this is all moot for me, because for some reason, probably because my usual playing partner doesn't like it, we never play with any river!
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 26, 2016, 04:55:11 AM
No one has mentioned the River from Carcassonne2.0.  No river collection is complete without it  :))

Err, what's Carcassonne2.0?  >:D
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on January 26, 2016, 04:58:17 AM
It's the brilliant reimagining of the award winning Carcassonne. The artwork has been delicately updated to reflect today's Carcassonne. The base set includes The River and a brand new expansion called The Abbot.

...and there are giants roaming the French countryside.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Hounk on January 26, 2016, 10:10:07 AM
Secondly, the watermark. I see watermarks as nothing more than a way to identify and separate tiles. So for example, the lack of a watermark on the GQ11 tiles is annoying, because it's harder to sort them at the end of a game. But since River tiles are so easy to distinguish, it doesn't bother me in the slightest that there is no watermark.
Agreed. I even bought "The Tower" second hand online without knowing, it was an old edition without watermarks. This was one of my first CC purchases after BB, and at first glance, I was annoyed, when I noticed that, but getting aware, that there is a tower foundation on every tile of that expansion, I didn't bother anymore. When I upgraded my Carcassonne to 8 players, I considered briefly to buy a second expansion rather then ordering the extra tower pieces at CundCo, but even then, I resisted the temptation. After all, the foundations are really good to spot.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: JoeSesquipedalian on January 26, 2016, 01:39:42 PM
What about River IV?   I'm talking about the one included in Carc 2.0 with the gardens for the Abbots?   I guess I have River II, III, and IV.  Still missing River I. 

When the Carc 2.0 Big Box is released, might it come with a River V with gardens and sheep? 

(Please don't scold me for mentioning Carc 2.0!!!)
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Whaleyland on January 26, 2016, 02:06:22 PM
Technically speaking, Carc2.0 River is just yet another iteration of The River I with a few Gardens. So .:.sigh.:. The River (IV).
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on January 26, 2016, 02:31:17 PM
If the addition of Hills and Sheep can make 'River I', 'River III'.  I guess some gardens makes 'River I',  'River IV'.  But if we did that 2.0's 'Inns & Cathedrals' should be 'Inns & Cathedrals II' because it added some gardens making the configuration slightly different.  Likewise for 'Traders and Builders'.  When will the madness end!
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Safari on January 26, 2016, 02:39:49 PM
Decar, I guess we should strictly separate these two versions of Carcassonne.  O0

Talking about the rivers, In theory I'd own all three versions, but only can agree with whaleyland and some other users, who stated that River III is River I with some extras and therefore the version to have. I never play with RI, as I only include RIII and RII in my games. Some day I might sell my River I.

Furthermore, I have bought the GQ expansion. In my opinion a real river completionist needs the GQ river tiles too, in order to have the complete River!  8)
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on January 26, 2016, 02:47:46 PM
I'm pretty sure the River 2 for Carc2.0 can be called River IIII - except it won't be 4.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: JoeSesquipedalian on January 26, 2016, 04:43:22 PM
If the addition of Hills and Sheep can make 'River I', 'River III'.  I guess some gardens makes 'River I',  'River IV'.  But if we did that 2.0's 'Inns & Cathedrals' should be 'Inns & Cathedrals II' because it added some gardens making the configuration slightly different.  Likewise for 'Traders and Builders'.  When will the madness end!

I myself am looking forward to purchasing Princess and Dragon II when it becomes readily available.  P&D I is way too expensive for me here in the US.  Plus more gardens for my hungry Abbot! 
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: TheDoctor_13 on January 27, 2016, 09:42:31 PM
I debated between "I own 1 River and think its enough" and "other", but I chose the first. 1 River is fine for a game, but do wonder how multiple rivers will play like, though that all depends if River II (River III?) will be made it the new style.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Whaleyland on January 28, 2016, 03:29:31 AM
If the addition of Hills and Sheep can make 'River I', 'River III'.  I guess some gardens makes 'River I',  'River IV'.  But if we did that 2.0's 'Inns & Cathedrals' should be 'Inns & Cathedrals II' because it added some gardens making the configuration slightly different.  Likewise for 'Traders and Builders'.  When will the madness end!

I myself am looking forward to purchasing Princess and Dragon II when it becomes readily available.  P&D I is way too expensive for me here in the US.  Plus more gardens for my hungry Abbot!
If they are smart, they'll include The River II in this box.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 28, 2016, 03:40:10 AM
If the addition of Hills and Sheep can make 'River I', 'River III'.  I guess some gardens makes 'River I',  'River IV'.  But if we did that 2.0's 'Inns & Cathedrals' should be 'Inns & Cathedrals II' because it added some gardens making the configuration slightly different.  Likewise for 'Traders and Builders'.  When will the madness end!

I myself am looking forward to purchasing Princess and Dragon II when it becomes readily available.  P&D I is way too expensive for me here in the US.  Plus more gardens for my hungry Abbot!
If they are smart, they'll include The River II in this box.

I would guess it's more likely that they wait for a new-art Big Box, which might be coming this year in keeping with the two-year cycle as kettlefish has mentioned elsewhere. Then the Big Box could include the base game and the first three expansions (or four, if they print another one soon) and the River II. The three expansion elements on the River II would all have their respective expansions included in the box so it makes sense. Of course, the uber-completionists will then be forced to buy a whole big box just to get a 7th version of the River  >:D
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Curt194 on January 28, 2016, 06:21:50 AM
I have all three, and the GQ expansion.

I mostly have the river three because I wanted the WOF in the big box but now that I have it in really glad I do because I really like having the other expansion elements on it. I can see why some people may not be bothered and would see it as the same thing as river 1 although I would definitely consider the river 2 to be a seperate expansion.

This is the first of the polls where I've actually owned all the versions so I'm not generally a super completionist, but I think the rivers are all different enough to warrant the different versions!

Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: CKorfmann on January 28, 2016, 10:21:52 AM
I consider my collection complete with River I and II, but I wouldn't mind adding only the tiles with the new features from River III.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 28, 2016, 10:30:08 AM
This is the first of the polls where I've actually owned all the versions so I'm not generally a super completionist, but I think the rivers are all different enough to warrant the different versions!

Funny how I think this about Cathars/Siege/Besiegers, but not about rivers. Well, that's the purpose of this series in the first place!
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Rich_The_Fish on January 28, 2016, 10:31:30 AM
I'm not a massive fan of the River and don't tend to use it very much. I recently bought River I and GQ11 to go with River II and hadn't really thought about River III at all. However, I do quite fancy getting H&S expansion at some point, in which case I'd then like River III - damn you!!
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Christopher on January 29, 2016, 01:07:20 AM
All this talk of the River III and how it replaces the River I has got me obsessing. Darn and double darn.

I've given in and ordered a copy of Big Box 5. Just for the River. And the purple meeples, I suppose. And the correctly watermarked hill tile! And the language independent wheel, although I prefer the worded one. And more score tiles! I'm feeling better and better about it. Still, I'm going to have a few spare tiles now...

Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Hepguy on January 29, 2016, 01:56:14 PM
I am one of the OCD collectors,  I have so far talked myself out of carcassonne II , but I do feel compelled to aquire the tiles when a new feature or graphic is released ( watermarks not withstanding). So personally all three river editions plus GQ11 ( which is my favorite river start tile) are required to have a complete set of river tiles.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Hepguy on January 29, 2016, 02:01:53 PM
I should also mention that because of the similarity of most river I/III tiles I am likely to merely add the four redesigned tiles and not the complete river.  Unless... Mega Carcassonne with mega river?
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Christopher on January 30, 2016, 12:31:24 AM
I am one of the OCD collectors,  I have so far talked myself out of carcassonne II , but I do feel compelled to aquire the tiles when a new feature or graphic is released ( watermarks not withstanding). So personally all three river editions plus GQ11 ( which is my favorite river start tile) are required to have a complete set of river tiles.

The 'OCD collectors?' It's not a club.

I should also mention that because of the similarity of most river I/III tiles I am likely to merely add the four redesigned tiles and not the complete river.  Unless... Mega Carcassonne with mega river?

I try not to play with more than one of any expansion, but if the Rivers I and III are technically different... a huge river might be fun!
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on January 30, 2016, 08:26:52 AM
The UBER UBER completionist needs to buy the PC Game from Koch, that used The River as a simple copy protection mechanism:

Thanks to Jojo K on BGG for the images (https://boardgamegeek.com/image/2492731/carcassonne-river)

The backs of the tiles contain the unlock codes.  The fronts are the same.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Hepguy on January 30, 2016, 08:34:24 PM
That is a great name for a club.  :)
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on January 31, 2016, 01:40:06 AM
The UBER UBER completionist needs to buy the PC Game from Koch, that used The River as a simple copy protection mechanism:

Thanks to Jojo K on BGG for the images (https://boardgamegeek.com/image/2492731/carcassonne-river)

The backs of the tiles contain the unlock codes.  The fronts are the same.

...and are you that uber uber completionist Decar? If so, you might be the only one!  >:D
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on February 01, 2016, 02:20:53 AM
With 40 votes cast, this poll was a close one. Twenty-one people (52.5%) either have all three or think they need all three for their collection, while 14 people (35%) think the River (III) is not necessary for their collection. This was a complicated poll considering the two GQ11 river tiles and Carcassonne II, so thanks to everyone who gave their detailed opinions on the River and completionism. I also learned in this thread that some people have SIX versions of the River!

Two other very interesting discussion points came up in this thread: the importance of watermarks, and the concept of a 'definitive version' of an expansion. These are both relevant to
Completionism Poll #4: Shrines and Heretics (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2405.0), so head over there to vote and discuss your thoughts.

Meanwhile, this poll/thread will stay open and any future discussion of the River in terms of ownership/completionism is welcome in this thread, while for discussion of the River in terms of gameplay, head over to
The River - Element of the Week #2 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1075).
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on February 01, 2016, 05:20:30 AM
...and are you that uber uber completionist Decar? If so, you might be the only one!  >:D

No comment - but you might have guessed because I didn't share my own photo.  :P
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on February 01, 2016, 06:45:07 AM
Sorry I meant:  No Comment  >:D
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: TheDoctor_13 on February 01, 2016, 12:55:07 PM
So what River comes in the new edition? Is it more like River I or River III? Think River II will come in the new style, or do you think that would be a Big-Box exclusive?
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on February 01, 2016, 12:57:45 PM
It's the same as river 1 but with gardens. So you night call it river 4.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Hounk on February 01, 2016, 01:55:47 PM
I suppose, if they make "Count, King, etc." in the new edition, they'll include River II as well.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Decar on February 01, 2016, 01:57:01 PM
Will that be River 5 - I'm confused now :(
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Whaleyland on February 01, 2016, 09:45:07 PM
Will that be River 5 - I'm confused now :(
Only if they add/remove any current features.
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: Christopher on February 03, 2016, 12:21:29 AM
Thanks to this topic, I went and bought a Big Box 5. So now I have the River III.

 ;D
Title: Re: Completionism Poll #3: The River
Post by: jungleboy on February 03, 2016, 03:59:32 AM
Thanks to this topic, I went and bought a Big Box 5. So now I have the River III.

 ;D

 :(y)

I'll have to ask the store you bought it from for a commission :)