Quote from: Carcassonne93 on December 26, 2020, 01:17:17 AMCan you protect your unprotected wagon if you move it on other feature?As per the partial clarifications I got, it seems so.
Can you protect your unprotected wagon if you move it on other feature?
However, protecting a wagon in Step 3B before being moved was not discussed in depth, the same as other actions came into the discussion, as you can see from his answer. He forwarded the questions to Christof Tisch but I don't have any feedback yet.
Not all the implications were taken into consideration and therefore the answer.
I'm keeping the last part of the clarifications quarantined for the time being...The comments about protecting meeples in any special placement, if they weren't already, seems a bit odd to me. Allowing all the players to protect their meeples while placing them via a crop circle, when moving an unprotected wagon or when swapping meeples, feels like cutting corners to me for the active player and especially for other players. For example, in the case of the wagon, you delay your decision to protect your wagon but you don't have to sacrifice a meeple placement (or figure/token placement) during tour turn to get your wagon protected as it would be required for another meeple. You of course have to pay, but 4 points for placing your wagon on a new feature or 2 points because it was already placed? If you allow other players to do the same, you are making everyone's life easier, since everybody can do more without sacrificing the required actions in 2. Placing a meeple.So I still see some open issues here that need clarification after some pondering.Do you think I'm being too purist here?
Quote from: Meepledrone on January 05, 2021, 06:55:40 AMI'm keeping the last part of the clarifications quarantined for the time being...The comments about protecting meeples in any special placement, if they weren't already, seems a bit odd to me. Allowing all the players to protect their meeples while placing them via a crop circle, when moving an unprotected wagon or when swapping meeples, feels like cutting corners to me for the active player and especially for other players. For example, in the case of the wagon, you delay your decision to protect your wagon but you don't have to sacrifice a meeple placement (or figure/token placement) during tour turn to get your wagon protected as it would be required for another meeple. You of course have to pay, but 4 points for placing your wagon on a new feature or 2 points because it was already placed? If you allow other players to do the same, you are making everyone's life easier, since everybody can do more without sacrificing the required actions in 2. Placing a meeple.So I still see some open issues here that need clarification after some pondering.Do you think I'm being too purist here?I aggree with you. As long as we do not get clarifications from HiG, I'd apply:You can protect a meeple on a feature affected by peasant revolt for 2 points insted of placing a meeple in step 2b1 onlyYou can protect the meeple that has just been placed on a feature affected by peasant revolt in step 2 (b1 or b2) only, for 4 pointsA protected meeple remain protected as long as it doesn't go back to a player supply
Removing the abbot[Q3] Red just placed a tile that completes a garden with his abbot. Can Red remove the abbot and score it in 2. Placing a meeple in this case before the garden is scored? The rules don't include any restrictions about this case.Note: This would be an interesting option, for example, if the tile just placed is a dragon tile, so the dragon is about to move and probably eat the abbot.[A3] Red can only score the abbot before the monastery (or garden) is completely surrounded by tiles (after placing a tile and after he may decide to quit placing a meeple in 2. Placing a meeple). You always score the abbot (on the feature) never the feature itself.So, you can only score the abbot on a garden or a monastery during 2. Placing a meeple if the feature is incomplete (that is, when it is not completely surrounded by tiles at that point).Once the monastery or garden is completed, you cannot score your abbot. So you can only score the feature it is placed on in 3. Scoring a feature. This means, the Red abbot will not be able to escape the dragon by being scored (see second image on this post above).
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