Carcassonne Central
Carc Central Community => Online Games and Competitions => World Cup of Carcassonne Central => Topic started by: danisthirty on October 04, 2016, 04:31:31 PM
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Welcome to the group stage of the 2016 World Cup of Carcassonne Central! This thread is primarily for members of Group A to arrange matches between themselves and post scores, screenshots and the obligatory smack-talk as the group progresses. The top 2 players from this group once everyone in the group has played all 5 of their matches will advance through to the knockout stage.
Here is a list of the group members (including location):
(http://www.dan.tehill.net/WC2016_GroupA.jpg)
If you haven’t read them already, please ensure that you are familiar with the tournament rules/ general information (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2907.msg43390#msg43390) and our Code of Conduct (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2700). You may also find the JCloisterZone FAQ (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=778) interesting/ useful if you have any unanswered questions about how JCloisterZone works (or you can just email/ PM me).
Finally, some helpful reminders:
Links
JCloisterZone 3.4.2 can be downloaded here: http://jcloisterzone.com/builds/JCloisterZone-3.4.2.zip (http://jcloisterzone.com/builds/JCloisterZone-3.4.2.zip).
Chat room: http://sydby.com/carcassonne/irc/index.html (http://sydby.com/carcassonne/irc/index.html).
Group stage expansions
All games at the group stage should include the following expansions:
- Inns & Cathedrals
- Traders & Builders
- The River (1)
- The Phantom
(these can be selected on the pre-game screen where you choose a colour and enter your name)
Go get em! :) :(y)
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Let's get started!
We use Eastern Daylightsaving Time (EDT) now in this part of the US, and it's now 14:28 here. For most of the year, we are 5 hours behind the UK, and for that first week of November (Oct. 30 to Nov. 6 this year), we are 4 hours behind the UK.
*To Grabushka, would you advise your time zone, or location so that I can look up?
I'm usually free 18.00 to 23.59 on weekdays, but that's not helpful most of the time because of the time difference. I'm usually free all day at weekends and I can conceivably stay up past midnight on Friday.
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*To Grabushka, would you advise your time zone, or location so that I can look up?
Grabushka is in the Netherlands on Central European Time (she is Jéré's girlfriend).
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I'm online right now.
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Grabushka is in the Netherlands on Central European Team (she is Jéré's girlfriend).
Thanks!
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I will be available tonight from 8pm CET if jma03 or What if? would like to play.
Chooselife, should we wait for a game in person or play online?
ny, I should be available this weekend.
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I'm available all evenings starting at 23h00 GMT. I can usually pop up earlier all days less Mondays and Thursdays.
The next Thursday, Friday and Monday I'll be more or less available during working hours.
When you are, or believe you'll be, online just drop me a message here. I'm constantly checking my mails and I can usually give you feedback in minutes.
Chooselife, should we wait for a game in person or play online?
Unless it delays the tournament it surely would be fun.
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Chooselife, should we wait for a game in person or play online?
Unless it delays the tournament it surely would be fun.
You should definitely play in person if there is an opportunity to do so! :)
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Note that Grabushka is not registered here (not enough Carc geekness I guess...) :)
I will send a PM to all participants in this group to share her email address so that you can organise your games. If there is any issues, you can PM me, but it shouldn't be necessary.
EDIT: Yes, I confirm that she is in the Netherlands.
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Just scheduled a game with Grabushka on this coming Saturday at 0800 EDT.
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I am available from 11 today.
schedule spain.
if anyone is interested let me know.
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I am available from 11 today.
Do you mean 1100 or 2300 by 11? I assume that's 2300, as I'm not seeing you in the chat room.
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23:00,thanks ny
:(y)
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Can we schedule a game at 2300 Spanish time today, jma03?
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here my first game and the first of this group.
NY 120 & JACOBO 284
It was really fast, with some mistakes on both sides.
in fact there was a time where mistakenly put my last meeple (phantom) in the absence of 40 tiles by drawing.
thanks for the game NY
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Scheduled a game with jungleboy at 0630 EDT this coming Saturday. So two games in a row for me.
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I'm online now.
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jungleboy 264, ny1050220 127
Yi started out ahead in this game by completing a few small cities while we both eyed what looked to be potentially large farms on either side of the river. I drew a cathedral tile early, added it to my own city (near another incomplete city of mine), joined my two cities together, managed to thwart any potential chance to trap my meeples, and then completed it before Yi's large meeple could join the party. This gave me the lead and I was able to build on it for the rest of the game. Yi decided to go hard on farms and once he used his large meeple on a farm, I determined that the farms weren't that big after all and that I should go for other things instead. I drew the second cathedral tile and managed to complete another city with it (in fact Yi completed it to get trade goods). I then joined Yi's large city to the south just in case he managed to finish it, and at the very end I got my large meeple in it to score a significant number of points even though it was incomplete. I used my builder to good effect throughout the game and won cities by more than 100 points. As I suspected, the farms didn't score heavily in the end so I made the right decision not to go all-in. Thanks for the game Yi and good luck for the rest of the tournament!
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2 games played, 13 left.
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Grabuska 180 - Ny1050220 177
Didn't watch the game so can't really comment but Grab said it was a tough one...
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161008/e967e43d7016ccd225c6f1d880ebf94f.png)
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That city is ENORMOUS.
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Two games with enormous cities closing in my favour.
What If - Jungle Boy 304-148
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2ykc8yu.png)
What If - ny1050220, 326 - 210
(http://i64.tinypic.com/2jd5ny1.png)
I´m still online every full hour this sunday, well met in the chat room!
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In my game with What If?, he started well and built a 30-40 point lead when we started battling for what turned out to be a huge cathedral city with a lot of trade goods. He drew the right tiles and managed to take control of it and close it, which gave him a lead of well over 100 points and a guaranteed 20 more from trade goods that I was never realistically going to be able to pull back. I spent the rest of the game trying to control and build up a farm and trying to control and build up a large city with the hope that I could add the second cathedral to it. I eventually did that, but probably should not have added the cathedral as there was only a tiny chance by that point that I could close the city. Still, I decided to go for it anyway on the off-chance that I could significantly reduce the margin for points difference purposes. In the end I scored nothing for it but at least my farm helped reduce the margin a tiny bit.
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5 games played, 10 left.
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Hi MrNumbers,
this x-score list is for group C and not for group A.
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Hi MrNumbers,
this x-score list is for group C and not for group A.
Sorry, my mistake. Just get tangled in all the screenshots :) Fixed now.
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What If 240 - Choose Life 238
A very interesting game were momentum seemed to switch back and forth, and the lucky tile fairy blessed us both in different important situations. In the end a sneaky win.
(http://i67.tinypic.com/2z3picy.png)
http://sv.tinypic.com/r/2z3picy/9
Roads 52-39
Cities 107-117
Cloisters 15-17
Farms 46-55
Trade Goods 20-10
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Grabushka told me that she has been in touch with ny1050220 and jungleboy so far. But silence radio from Chooselife, jma03, and What If? We are in Essen this weekend, but feel free to contact her next week to arrange your games.
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Hi Jéré & Grabushka,
I'm early flying tomorow to London returning late Saturday I'll try to arrange a schedule next week.
Enjoy Essen
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Today someone available for a game??
:D
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Today someone available for a game??
:D
Yes, I'm in the chat room.
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jungleboy 226, jma03 (jacobo) 200
This was a fun game that came down to the last two tiles. Jacobo led for most of the game but even early on, you could see than an epic farm battle was going to eventuate and that this farm would decide the game. Jacobo got his double meeple into it, and trapped my double meeple out of it, so that gave him the advantage. I kept trying to catch up with some cities, and Jacobo closed a couple of them to make sure he won the trade goods. With about 15 tiles to go I started placing my last three meeples on the outside of the farm, hoping to join 1 to tie or 2 to win. I managed to join one of them, while Jacobo blocked another. He then placed another meeple on the outside of the farm one tile away from joining. With four tiles left, it was my turn and the farm was tied. I needed a FFCX and I managed to draw it and join my meeple to take the lead in the farm. Jacobo needed a RFFX to join his, but he didn't get it and on my next turn, I placed a tile so that he needed RFFC, which was already out. With his last tile, he drew the RFFR that would have won him the farm and the game if he had drawn it one turn earlier. Instead, I held on to win the farm and the game.
Great game Jacobo!
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jungleboy 226, jma03 (jacobo) 200
This was a fun game that came down to the last two tiles. Jacobo led for most of the game but even early on, you could see than an epic farm battle was going to eventuate and that this farm would decide the game. Jacobo got his double meeple into it, and trapped my double meeple out of it, so that gave him the advantage. I kept trying to catch up with some cities, and Jacobo closed a couple of them to make sure he won the trade goods. With about 15 tiles to go I started placing my last three meeples on the outside of the farm, hoping to join 1 to tie or 2 to win. I managed to join one of them, while Jacobo blocked another. He then placed another meeple on the outside of the farm one tile away from joining. With four tiles left, it was my turn and the farm was tied. I needed a FFCX and I managed to draw it and join my meeple to take the lead in the farm. Jacobo needed a RFFX to join his, but he didn't get it and on my next turn, I placed a tile so that he needed RFFC, which was already out. With his last tile, he drew the RFFR that would have won him the farm and the game if he had drawn it one turn earlier. Instead, I held on to win the farm and the game.
Great game Jacobo!
thanks for the post nick.
It was a great game and a great struggle for the main farm.
In fact you use all meeples to carry it out.
great game you too
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7 Games played so far.
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Grabushka 259, jungleboy 230
Yesterday I played a World Cup match in person with Grabushka in Essen. We played in the Restaurant Atrium at the south end of the Messe.
We started out each scoring small points fairly evenly until a few city battles emerged. Grabushka managed to glom on very well every time, securing control of a small cathedral city and using a two-city CFCF tile and her phantom to set up a glom on to not one but two of my cities in one move! She started to close these cities to take the lead in points and in trade goods. The cathedral city remained unclosed and needed a simple CFFF tile to close it. With about 50 tiles left, I drew the CFFF tile that goes to the corner and decided to close the cathedral city even though Grabushka had control of it, in order to block her out of the main farm. This backfired badly because she did not draw a CFFF tile for the rest of the game! The city was worth 36 points, so this was essentially the difference in the game.
I did end up winning the main farm after the usual end-of-game battle, but in addition to her edge in cities, Grabushka won all three trade goods and had three 8-point cloisters to pad her end-game scoring, so I was unable to catch up.
Congratulations Grabushka!
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161016/9ab1e35b6edb04f1fff6b228514b6ec2.jpg)
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Another win for Grabushka :-o
Grabushka 320 - WhatIf 280
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161019/b88849375dd4b18aaae10f6fd49b67e1.png)
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Good Morning,
Anyone available to play this morning?
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9 games played, 6 left.
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Good Morning All,
I should be able to play Today now till 17h30 GMT. Please send me a PM.
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Good Morning All,
I should be able to play Today now till 17h30 GMT. Please send me a PM.
I forwarded this to Grabushka. Let see what she says. Normally she has some free time in the afternoon around 14:00 or 15:00.
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Grab is ok to play at 14:00 (13:00 your time). Sent you a PM. Waiting for your confirmation. Thanks!
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Apparently Grabushka managed to win another game, 4 in a row!
Hopefully she has saved the screenshot. I will publish when I arrive from work.
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Indeed she did.
She was on an early lead but I managed to close down by middle of the tile count but closing a Cathedral city I tought blocked at 3 or 4 tiles from the end completly knocked me out.
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Here's my game with Chooselife. My only win in this group ;)
It was really intense. I felt I was losing a game several times.
Chooselife got a farmer in his first tile, yes, that farm who got him 12 points. I've tried to surround him in a closed circle in vain.
Then we started to compete in the monster city up north (literally in this map, not related to Canada :P). After I sneaked in a second knight, Chooselife fought really hard to make it impossible to complete. At that time my builder was already in it, so I just keep expanding it, wasting tiles while count on my second tiles.
Over the course, I managed to block two of his knight and the builder in small and unfinished cities.
I blocked one of his farmer (SE to the big one) by the fffc tile right north to it.
Towards the end, Chooselife fought really hard again, attempting to connect more farmers. He was successful for the one east to my pig and he blocked one of mine NE to his this farmer, rendering 0 points for my that farmer.
With my very last ffxx tile (with a marking of 2 by the system), I was able to take my field back! Pure luck! Had he been successful in connecting his farmer in the NE corner, things would've been totally different and I would've lost all the group games...
One more note, I was in lead in tokens and he finally caught up with a few smaller cities.
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Thanks for the game ny1050220 it was indeed tense.
Third time's the charm, another great game with jma03, I manage to block his builder early one and a few other meeples wasting tiles with my own builder.
By the end we were really close but manage to win with the very last tile.
(http://i.imgur.com/WpHqAEol.jpg)
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Grabushka 250 - Chooselife 199
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161021/db3f539ff5ddb690691e2099d0a2b566.png)
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12 games played, 3 left.
Grabushka guaranteed herself a place in knock-out stage.
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Jacobo!
You must be less busy now based on the info you gave last week. You could email Grabushka directly or send me a PM and I'll be happy to be the facilitator. Cheers!
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Hmmm, I´m pretty sure I posted my last result here thursday evening after the game, now it´s gone. I´ve been wrong before so I´ll try again, but without the detailed game info now that I no longer have the original screenshot left:
WhatIf-Jma03, 207-181
The first decisive moment came when the river turned to lock Jma´s first meeple for the remainder of the game. Jma then played well, probably better than WI that sloppily gave the rye trade tokens to Jma03, but WhatIfs decision to keep the cathedral city unclosable proved to be good. In the end, in the north you can see two farmers trying the same move to win the large field, the one who did, me, won! Good, intense game.
(http://i68.tinypic.com/247wy.png)
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Congrats What If!
Lo siento jma03!
Now it's a "must win" situation for grabuska, otherwise she finishes 2nd which is not bad at all!
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13 games played, 2 left.
Grabushka and WhatIf? guaranteed a place in QF. Final ranking will depend on Grabushka's game with jma03 (Jéré already has mentioned this).
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Some slightly bemused onlookers witnessed a Carcassonne Central World Cup Group A clash today between jungleboy and Chooselife at the esteemed Estoril Tennis Club (http://ctestoril.pt). The final score was jungleboy 240, Chooselife 210.
In the end the 30-point difference was exactly represented by me (green) winning all three trade good majorities, largely thanks to being the player who completed the 72-point cathedral city with eight goods in it. Chooselife led throughout most of the game but I had the edge in the main farm (worth 44 points in the end) most of the way. We battled long and hard for this farm in the second half of the game and in the end I claimed it outright to win the game.
Thanks for the game Chooselife and may this be merely the first of many in-person Carcassonne battles!
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161106/fe7f3608e7a8bd691ed49c3d0768a4d7.jpg)
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14 games played, 1 left.
The only thing for sure is that jungleboy is on the 3rd place.
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Some slightly bemused onlookers witnessed a Carcassonne Central World Cup Group A clash today between jungleboy and Chooselife at the esteemed Estoril Tennis Club (http://ctestoril.pt). The final score was jungleboy 240, Chooselife 210.
In the end the 30-point difference was exactly represented by me (green) winning all three trade good majorities, largely thanks to being the player who completed the 72-point cathedral city with eight goods in it. Chooselife led throughout most of the game but I had the edge in the main farm (worth 44 points in the end) most of the way. We battled long and hard for this farm in the second half of the game and in the end I claimed it outright to win the game.
Thanks for the game Chooselife and may this be merely the first of many in-person Carcassonne battles!
Thanks to Jungleboy for the game, I couldn't remember the last time I played with expansions and in-person.
He was a fair winner and as always looser paid the tab. ;)
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(left side) A1 vs. B2, C1 vs. D2
(right side) D1 vs. C2, B1 vs. A2
I realise now that if Grabushka finishes 2nd, I'll be playing against her. That could be interesting!
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Some slightly bemused onlookers witnessed a Carcassonne Central World Cup Group A clash today between jungleboy and Chooselife at the esteemed Estoril Tennis Club (http://ctestoril.pt). The final score was jungleboy 240, Chooselife 210.
In the end the 30-point difference was exactly represented by me (green) winning all three trade good majorities, largely thanks to being the player who completed the 72-point cathedral city with eight goods in it. Chooselife led throughout most of the game but I had the edge in the main farm (worth 44 points in the end) most of the way. We battled long and hard for this farm in the second half of the game and in the end I claimed it outright to win the game.
What? :o All trade goods, 72-pt cathedral city, main field worth 44 pts and you only win by 30 points. Wow, Chooselife must have been really good at completing other features like cloisters, mid-size cities, roads with inn maybe?
...the first of many in-person Carcassonne battles!
Did you forget your game vs. Grabushka already? ;D
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I realise now that if Grabushka finishes 2nd, I'll be playing against her. That could be interesting!
See? Another reason to win last game for Grabushka! ;) (to maximize one family's chances to win the Cup)
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(left side) A1 vs. B2, C1 vs. D2
(right side) D1 vs. C2, B1 vs. A2
I realise now that if Grabushka finishes 2nd, I'll be playing against her. That could be interesting!
Uh oh! Better get the sofa ready just in case...
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It isn't especially uncommon for 3 players to be tied where A has beaten B, B has beaten C and C has beaten A. Who goes top then? C won't let A go on top because it should be him. But B won't let C go on top because it should be him. And A won't let B go on top for the same reason. So there needs to be something else, otherwise we have a 3-way stalemate. I know this isn't the same as a 2-way tie but it gets needlessly complicated when you start trying to resolve ties in different ways depending on how many people are involved. C:-)
I'm not challenging the rules here, but I think you are making this sound more complicated than it is. Every major sports competition that I can think of with groups or pools uses head-to-head as the first tiebreaker, and points difference as the second tiebreaker, regardless of the number of teams tied. You seem to be trying to find a system where there is only one tiebreaker needed, but it's very common (at the Olympic Games for instance) to have five or six potential tiebreakers in case the first four or five do not break the tie, e.g. in your example of a three-way tie where the players/teams are all 1-1 against the other two players/teams.
What? :o All trade goods, 72-pt cathedral city, main field worth 44 pts and you only win by 30 points. Wow, Chooselife must have been really good at completing other features like cloisters, mid-size cities, roads with inn maybe?
The cathedral city was tied. But Chooselife did indeed complete a lot of cloisters, and he had a large unfinished city that gave him some end-game points too.
...the first of many in-person Carcassonne battles!
Did you forget your game vs. Grabushka already? ;D
I am trying to forget that game! But I meant with Chooselife specifically, as I am moving to Portugal soon and we will live reasonably close to each other.
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In the "I realise now" series:
If Grabushka wins, I'll be playing against What If? in the next stage and it is quite likely that we'll manage to play a game in person, somewhere in Sweden in the coming weeks!
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I ask the question directly: jma03, are you forfeiting your match vs. Grabushka?
We've been unable to organize the game so far despite many attempts... Communication has been difficult and now he is not responding, that's why I'm wondering...
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Last game has been played!!
Jma03: 316 - Grabushka: 250
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161116/eec3bde06986ffbab4ff9e6fa73dd870.png)
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Final rankings of Group A.