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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #75 on: March 31, 2015, 01:18:59 PM »
Interesting, my main question is whether the castles count as cloisters in all other sense of the rules. For example can you deploy an abbot, challenge with a cult or use it to escape from a besieged city?


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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #76 on: March 31, 2015, 01:38:41 PM »
Again thanks kettlefish, I had not considered how it could be interpreted by non-native players; and though it is a common usage,  I agree that it is clearer to be very explicit.  I have changed 'they' to 'the player'.  I hope that's ok.

Edit: I've also been explicit about placing a Meeple.

I'll leave it a little longer for improvements, but will create a English Version of the PDF tomorrow.  :(y)

Thay might be right, but many of our users are not native speaking English.
I read it in plural, and at Carcassonne it should come a time with an expansion when all players can place a meeple at the same time on the same landscape tile...

I think we still have some examples - I remember one example:
- The Count of Carcassonne...
« Last Edit: March 31, 2015, 01:44:07 PM by Decar »

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #77 on: March 31, 2015, 02:07:58 PM »
I also use the original English rules from for example BigBox3 and BigBox4.

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #78 on: March 31, 2015, 02:50:04 PM »
Interesting, my main question is whether the castles count as cloisters in all other sense of the rules. For example can you deploy an abbot, challenge with a cult or use it to escape from a besieged city?
The feature castle is not a cloister.
And the meeple is not acting as a monk or as an abbot when it is placed on the castle feature. The meeple is acting as a lord of the castle when it is placed on the feature castle onto the double landscape tile.

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #79 on: March 31, 2015, 03:35:26 PM »
I used also the rules from the Carcassonne II.

Quote from: 'Decar'
3. Triggering a Score
Evaluation of a finished castle
A castle is evaluated in the same manner as a Cloister. Once it is completely surrounded by tiles, the Lord of the Castle will get 12 points and the player takes their Meeple, as usual, back into their reserve.
At the end of the game, all tiles in the vicinity of an unfinished castle score 1 point. The Castle Tile itself, scores 2 points.
3. Scoring a feature
Scoring a castle
A castle is finished and scored in the same manner as a cloister. Once it is completely surrounded by tiles, the Lord of the Castle will get 12 points and the player takes his/her Meeple, as usual, back to the players supply.
At the end of the game, all tiles in the vicinity of an unfinished castle score 1 point. The Castle Tile itself, scores 2 points.
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for  "unfinished" you can also use "incomplete" (like ZMG)

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #80 on: March 31, 2015, 03:58:01 PM »
Quote from: Decar
Ratings of Roads and cities around the castle.
If a road or a complete city that ends (or starts) on the Castle tile, those players get a bonus to their usual points. Each participating player scores 3 bonus points per participating Castle.
It does not matter whether the castles are occupied or not.

Scoring of Roads and cities around the castle.
If a road or a city is completed which ends (or starts) on the Castle tile, those players get a bonus to their usual points. Each participating player scores 3 bonus points per participating Castle.
It does not matter whether the castles are occupied or not.

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #81 on: March 31, 2015, 03:58:52 PM »
At the end of the game, all tiles in the vicinity of an unfinished castle score 1 point. The Castle Tile itself, scores 2 points.

But what about farm scoring? Are the German castles worth 4 points like the "Non-German" castles? :) (I mean the castles from the Bridges, Castles And Bazaars expansion.)

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #82 on: March 31, 2015, 10:41:24 PM »
There is nothing in the rules about farm scoring.

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #83 on: April 01, 2015, 01:24:12 AM »

If a road or a city is completed which ends (or starts) on the Castle tile, those players get a bonus to their usual points. Each participating player scores 3 bonus points per participating Castle.
It does not matter whether the castles are occupied or not.

What if your road starts and ends at a castle? Do you get three bonus points or six?

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #84 on: April 01, 2015, 01:28:08 AM »
The example shows a Road running between two castles - Blue scores 10 points - (4 points for the road and 2 x 3 points for the Castles).

Not sure what happens if the Road starts and ends at the same Castle.

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #85 on: April 01, 2015, 03:15:53 AM »
Looks like the points are allocated "per participating castles".

So 2 different castles:  +6pts
Only one "participating" castle: +3pts

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #86 on: April 02, 2015, 10:27:56 AM »
Are the 3 bonus points added before or after Inns & Cathedrals modifiers? I'm assuming after.
« Last Edit: April 02, 2015, 10:30:59 AM by ooh_jim »

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #87 on: April 02, 2015, 11:34:37 AM »
Are the 3 bonus points added before or after Inns & Cathedrals modifiers? I'm assuming after.
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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #88 on: April 03, 2015, 06:14:12 AM »
Quote from: Decar
Ratings of Roads and cities around the castle.
If a road or a complete city that ends (or starts) on the Castle tile, those players get a bonus to their usual points. Each participating player scores 3 bonus points per participating Castle.
It does not matter whether the castles are occupied or not.

Scoring of Roads and cities around the castle.
If a road or a city is completed which ends (or starts) on the Castle tile, those players get a bonus to their usual points. Each participating player scores 3 bonus points per participating Castle.
It does not matter whether the castles are occupied or not.

I think I understand the intent of this rule, but I want to make sure it's absolutely clear for the CAR, since "participating player" is not a phrase that has previously been used in Carcassonne. Does this mean that every player with at least one follower on the completed feature gets the bonus points, whether or not they have a majority? Does the person who completed the feature get the bonus points even if he or she does not have a follower there?

And I second the question about farming. Since there is no mention of farming, I would assume at this point that these castles do not produce points for farms since they were not originally cities/towns. However, that should be clarified.

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Re: Mini Expansion "German Castles" for Carcassonne-on-Tour 2015
« Reply #89 on: April 03, 2015, 06:41:50 AM »
Sorry, obervet,
to do a correction reading from a translation which was made by a translator machine is awul.
It was late in that night when I did that correction reading. That translator machine lost many words. That means my correction reading is worst.
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Here is the orignal German rule:

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Wertungen von Straßen und Städten rings um die Burg
Wird eine Straße oder eine Stadt abgeschlossen, die auf dem Burgplättchen endet (oder anfängt), so erhalten die beteiligten Spieler einen Bonus zu den üblichen Punkten.
Jeder beteiligte Spieler, der Punkte erhält, erhält dabei pro beteiligter Burg 3 Bonuspunkte.
Dabei spielt es keine Rolle ob die Burgen besetzt sind oder nicht.
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Only the players who receives points for the finished city or finished roads get additional 3 points bonus.

The main rule for scoring features with multible meeples - see the page 5 from ZmanGames CarcassonneII



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