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Title: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on February 27, 2016, 04:03:23 AM
There is an old playground law (here in Britain anyway), that goes something like this:
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First's the worst,
Second's the best,
Third's the one with the hairiest chest.

Such laws are hard to deny! Thus I struck upon an idea for a mini-tournament.

(http://tehill.net/carcassonne/STBT/STBT2.png)

Put simply: In a 3-player game of Carcassonne, could the 'best' player manipulate the game in order to score the second highest number of points?

I think there's some interesting strategic ideas to be pondered.  Mainly:

For me, such a competition is about taking part and having fun.  What better way of celebrating competition than not coming first?

Format
At the moment I'm looking for 9-players, which will be randomly split into 3 groups [A,B,C] to comprise a first round.
The players in each Group will schedule 3 games to be played with all 3 players.  Each game will compose of different expansions (TBD).
A running total of score will be kept for the round. After all three games are played each group will have a Best (2nd), Worst (1st) and Hairiest (3rd) player.

After all the games are played there will be a final play-off round to determine who is the 'Best of the Best', the 'Worst of the Worst' and the 'Hairiest of the Hairiest' and other humorous titles.  I've got my eye on 'Best of the Hairiest'  but I suspect the competition to be tight.

Example
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             Game 1          Game 2       Game 3    Total      Rank
Player 1     120              76           100       196     Hairiest
Player 2      56             135            65       256     Best
Player 3     100              86            71       257     Worst

The Best of the Group would be Player 2, The Worst: Player 3 and the Hairiest: Player 1. 

Prizes
There's nothing like a small-motivator when taking part. I'm not very good at surprises, so here's some gifts.  The prizes will be given to at the group stages.  Everyone who takes part will get a special commemorative STBT Tile, plus:

There will be some spot prizes to be determined too.

When does it Start?
We need enough interested parties.  Don't forget The Last Man Standing, Dream Team Games & Princess and Dragon Tournaments are still running.  I doubt this this mini-tournament will start until one of these is finished.  Please make sure to prioritize your existing games over new ones.

Other Considerations
Please only put your name down if you can easily schedule your games to play.  3-player games are notoriously difficult to schedule.  Though I said grouping will be random, I suspect some timezone manipulation to take place to make scheduling easier  :(y)  If there's more than 9 players, I'll consider some other rankings.

As always, open to suggestions and please let me know if you have any questions.

Who is Playing
1.Mr Numbers - Latvia  - UTC +2
2.Chuck - Germany - UTC +1
3.Merlin_89 - Poland - UTC +1
4.Decar - UK - UTC +0
5.Rosco - UK - UTC +0
6.Leven - Hungary - UTC +1
7.Danisthirty -UK - UTC +0
8.Valheru - Belgium - UTC +1
9.jma03 - Spain - UTC +1
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: MrNumbers on February 27, 2016, 04:33:20 AM
I am in! Interesting idea from strategic point of view! :)
While reading the post, I thought that scoring would be different: I imagined that for finishing 2nd you receive 3pts, for 1st - 2pts, and for 3rd - 1pts, and then after 3 games you have a sum of these points.
In your variant we will have to keep in mind (or in parallel opened Excel spreadsheet) our previous scores (also opponents scores) in order to understand strategy for the next game (and during the game).
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on February 27, 2016, 05:35:47 AM
That's right. We'll need to be careful with expansions and the score deviation. But we have lots of stats from tournaments to tweek this.  The problem I foresaw with allocating points was after winning two games, it's almost impossible to purposely lose to earn 2nd place.  I think we'd need to play a lot more 3-player games to achieve deviation.

That's the idea anyway. 

Great to have you aboard too Mr Numbers!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chuck on February 27, 2016, 06:41:06 AM
Count me in!!! (y) :-)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Merlin_89 on February 27, 2016, 08:54:39 AM
It sounds fun!  :(y)  I'm in!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on February 27, 2016, 09:46:24 AM
First three players already - Great Stuff :)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Rosco on February 27, 2016, 09:58:52 AM
That sounds interesting.  I am in
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Leven on February 27, 2016, 11:23:11 AM
So am I.  :(y)

Decar: are you in?
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on February 27, 2016, 11:24:06 AM
That would make 6 - Yes, I'm in :)  :(y) :(y)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: danisthirty on February 27, 2016, 12:27:06 PM
Yes please! :(y)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Valheru on February 27, 2016, 05:23:41 PM
Count me in as well. I predict a lot of brainfarts.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: jma03 on February 28, 2016, 12:47:52 AM
Why not?? I am holidays  i go
 :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on February 28, 2016, 02:01:33 AM
Wow!  That makes 9 players!

I'll leave this open a little longer just in case we get 18 or 27 players  :@
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Hounk on February 29, 2016, 03:22:04 AM
I am in! Interesting idea from strategic point of view! :)
While reading the post, I thought that scoring would be different: I imagined that for finishing 2nd you receive 3pts, for 1st - 2pts, and for 3rd - 1pts, and then after 3 games you have a sum of these points.
Can you confirm that, Decar? Regarding the term "first's the worst", I would assume 3rd place to net more points, then 1st?

However, count me in, too. :(y)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on February 29, 2016, 03:26:48 AM
Thanks Hounk - We'll put you down for the second group

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A running total of score will be kept for the round. After all three games are played each group will have a Best (2nd), Worst (1st) and Hairiest (3rd) player.

There will not be points awarded for a victory.

There's nothing stopping you winning all your games, you just won't win any prizes :p
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on March 01, 2016, 06:25:16 AM
Just giving this another shout out - we've got 9 players + Hounk.  It would be a shame to turn him away, with a few extra players I can think about other formats, which could work.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chooselife on March 01, 2016, 11:07:58 AM
+1
I'll be in Antwerp most of the next week but I'm in.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on March 08, 2016, 12:46:54 PM
I'm not sure what to do about our late contenders: Hounk & Chooselife.  I don't want to turn them away, but without a power of 9, I think competition will play out differently.  If another person stepped forward we could organize 4player games, but I think this will be VERY hard to schedule.

I propose we being with the original 9 players and consider a second tournament with Hounk & Chooselife shortly afterwards, or as soon as we have enough players?  How does that sound?

As I said before, the first round will be 3 games against each of the 3 players.  Here's what I'm thinking for the first round:


I will be creating the groupings and knocking up a Google Spreadsheet in a few days for players to record their games.

May the Second Best Win  :))
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chooselife on March 08, 2016, 01:09:57 PM
Fine with me no worries
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Halfling on March 09, 2016, 11:32:28 AM
I hate not winning.  Guess I could give coming second a try if it helps?
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: danisthirty on March 09, 2016, 10:52:21 PM
I hate not winning.  Guess I could give coming second a try if it helps?

In this case you win by coming second!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on March 10, 2016, 12:02:57 AM
Second's The Best  :(y) :(y)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Halfling on March 11, 2016, 11:13:58 AM
Doesn't seem right to me but I'll give it a go.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Halfling on March 13, 2016, 03:12:37 AM
Do Hounk and Chooselife fancy trying out this format on Wednesday evening using Winter Edition?

I'm interested to see how long it takes for anyone to place a meeple!

Perhaps a rule that a player has to play a meeple on a tile if it is possible to do so?
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on March 23, 2016, 03:41:10 AM
Thought we might as well get started with this:

Group A
Merlin_89
Jma03
Decar

Group B
Mr Numbers
Chuck
Leven

Group C
Rosco
Valheru
DanisThirty

Three games will be played by each Group - not necessarily in one sitting, please work out what's suitable.


I'm tempted to find a prize for highest scoring, 2nd Place to make sure you actually play some tiles and not leave the game to the last 3 moves :(y)


I think everyone is experienced in organizing games, rules of play etc, so I'm not going to repeat them now:  Please Schedule your games and record the results here.

I best get started on the craziest Spreadsheet ever devised!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on March 23, 2016, 03:42:12 AM
My Schedule: I'm free most evening for the next fortnight, but tomorrow and Friday (and Next Saturday) may be difficult.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chuck on March 23, 2016, 12:26:12 PM
I'm maybe free tomorrow evening and most on friday.
Afterwards I'm not home till monday, and then I'll have to see. Tonight would be possible too.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Leven on March 24, 2016, 01:59:04 PM
I'm maybe free tomorrow evening and most on friday.
Afterwards I'm not home till monday, and then I'll have to see. Tonight would be possible too.
Friday evening would be fine for me too.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chuck on March 24, 2016, 02:26:57 PM
Friday evening would be fine for me too.

Sounds good, what about Mr. Numbers?
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: MrNumbers on March 24, 2016, 02:53:33 PM
Friday evening would be fine for me too.

Sounds good, what about Mr. Numbers?

Yes, I think I can make it on Friday evening.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chuck on March 25, 2016, 11:47:03 AM
Don't know, when i'll be online Babychuck is making trouble...
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: MrNumbers on March 25, 2016, 03:39:52 PM
Me, Leven and Chuck just played all three games in a row (why not, if everyone had some time for Carcassonne? ;) )
It was the most interesting experience in playing Carcassonne ever! As I said in the chat: if you don't know the rules of the competition, you won't understand what is going on on the board!

Game 1:
Pretty fast game, easiest win in my life :D I had a good start, Chuck and Leven often helped me to close my features. Near the middle of the game I realized that I have too much points and till the end of the game didn't place a single follower, but still continue to gain some points from the farm.
MrNumbers - 105, Chuck - 92, Leven - 68.

Game 2:
This game was more cautious, very low scoring. Phantoms and Fliers were not used at all (except one phantom on the first tile). I scored my first 3 points only after some 20-30 tiles. Everyone started to understand some basic strategies: avoid big cities, be cautious with farms and gain points mostly from 4-point cities and from roads. Despite my "loss" I managed to take second place in overall standings.
MrNumbers - 36, Chuck - 56, Leven - 66.
Overall: MrNumbers - 141, Chuck - 148, Leven - 134.

Game 3:
Most tense game. Farmers were deployed in the very end. Scoring mostly small cities and some roads to keep points ticking. Still Leven occupied 20-point city in the south, tried to trap himself, but I completed it for him with a cult tile. Last tiles took the most time of this game: every point matters! Only one thought in mind - don't score points for me! With my very last tile I took 2nd overall place, Leven just could find a spot with 6 points in order to share 2nd place with me.
MrNumbers - 52, Chuck - 47, Leven - 58.
Overall: MrNumbers - 193, Chuck - 195, Leven - 192.

EDIT: There is a question to Decar: how to handle draws? For example, if Chuck and me had 194 points and Leven - 192. Who would be Second Best then? Or otherwise, one have 194 points and two others both 192 points. Perhaps, we need a tie-breaker.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on March 25, 2016, 03:43:21 PM
Well done MrNumbers, Chuck and Leven. Those results are crazy close!

Merits to you all for finishing your game. I'll enjoy reading these again and looking in more detail tomorrow morning!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chuck on March 26, 2016, 01:47:09 AM
My Problem was, that I forgot to keep track on the overall scoring. So my main concern in the last game was, to be in secon position anyway. If I hadn't put the meeple in the city.....
Well, it was a nice evening with lots of fun, because in the first match we didn't really know how to play. When MrNumbers got ahead and had his meeple in the big city and I was in second place, I realised how to play.... :D
The following matches were more tactical.
So, thanks again to MrNumbers and Leven for the good games! :)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on March 26, 2016, 08:58:30 AM
Mr Numbers - yes that's a good point, I have a feeling tie-breaking may be required.

I can see it working in a number of ways, which do you think makes the most sense:
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: jma03 on April 05, 2016, 11:44:19 PM
Sorry to tell you that I can not start with this competition.A week ago I had my precious baby , and I 'll get pretty busy to take several tournaments online.if someone wanted to take my place you would appreciate.I'm sorry for the inconveniences Decar


Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on April 06, 2016, 01:44:25 AM
Congratulations on your new arrival JMA!  Thanks for letting us know - Best of luck over the coming weeks :) :) :)

Perhaps someone else (eg: Hounk or Halfling) would like to take your place?
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: danisthirty on April 06, 2016, 02:48:28 AM
Congratulations from me also! I hope life with your new arrival (jma04?) settles down quickly! :)
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Chuck on April 06, 2016, 03:36:07 AM
All the Best,  jma!!
My boy has his first birthday on friday. So I know how you feel right now!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Valheru on April 06, 2016, 03:37:52 AM
Congratulations, JMA!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: MrNumbers on April 06, 2016, 04:01:32 AM
Congratulations, Jacobo, to you and your wife!
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: jma03 on April 15, 2016, 02:01:20 AM
Thank you very much!!!!!
 :D
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Halfling on April 19, 2016, 12:21:17 PM
I'll step up if the place is still available.
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Halfling on May 07, 2016, 01:17:42 AM
Are Merlin and Decar free for a game one evening next week?
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Decar on May 07, 2016, 01:32:14 AM
Thanks Halfling - how about Tuesday night?
Title: Re: Second's The Best Tournament (STBT)
Post by: Halfling on May 07, 2016, 11:00:50 AM
Fine for me.