But you give the same points to all the castles even the road is out of their fiefs. Then... Is a Castle a feature? First contradiction of basic rules begins...The discussion about what is adjacent or what not is the key. Tomorrow I will post the next example to explain what I'm talking about.Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital
Quote from: DrMeeple on January 04, 2021, 02:30:42 PMBut you give the same points to all the castles even the road is out of their fiefs. Then... Is a Castle a feature? First contradiction of basic rules begins...The discussion about what is adjacent or what not is the key. Tomorrow I will post the next example to explain what I'm talking about.Enviado desde St. Meeple HospitalI don't give the same number of points to all castles. The two castles on the left got 4 points because of the completed road in their fief. The two on the right because of the completed castles in their fief.And yes, a castle is a feature which can be claimed. And no, there is no contradiction. Adjacent is not key, castles score for the first completed feature in their fief. It is as simple as that...
Two or more incomplete castles may be standing next to each other. If one of them scores points, it will be considered as a completed feature for the adjacent castles
Excerpt of the Exp 8 rules:QuoteTwo or more incomplete castles may be standing next to each other. If one of them scores points, it will be considered as a completed feature for the adjacent castles
Quote from: Meepledrone on January 04, 2021, 05:22:49 PMExcerpt of the Exp 8 rules:QuoteTwo or more incomplete castles may be standing next to each other. If one of them scores points, it will be considered as a completed feature for the adjacent castlesNext to each other... And what is that? 'it will be considered as a completed feature'AS not IS Seems here is an exception in the case 'next to' but they don't call Castle=feature always... Castle depends of a feature (road, city or monastery) to score.Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital
When you place a tile that completes a small city (a city consisting of only 2 semi-circular segments [6] [7]), the owner of the small city chooses to either score 4 points as normal, or to place a castle on that small city instead.When the owner places a castle, cover the small city that was just completed with a castle from your supply, and place the meeple that was in the small city on top of the castle. [8] [9]
Quote from: DrMeeple on January 04, 2021, 05:31:05 PMQuote from: Meepledrone on January 04, 2021, 05:22:49 PMExcerpt of the Exp 8 rules:QuoteTwo or more incomplete castles may be standing next to each other. If one of them scores points, it will be considered as a completed feature for the adjacent castlesNext to each other... And what is that? 'it will be considered as a completed feature'AS not IS Seems here is an exception in the case 'next to' but they don't call Castle=feature always... Castle depends of a feature (road, city or monastery) to score.Enviado desde St. Meeple HospitalIn the German rules, HiG uses the adverb "nebeneinander" with means "adjacent" or "next to each other" as ZMG translated. In Carcassonne terms, this refers to two castles in the vicinity of or neighboring each other.A castle is a feature. "It will be considered as a completed feature" means that "it [a castle, that is a feature,] will be considered completed." Remember that a city (a feature) is converted into a castle (another type of feature). In 2012, the interpretation of the rules about neighboring castles was the same as you can see on this short thread on BGG:https://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/875697/castle-vicinity-castleWhat we are discussing here is the "chain reaction" castles can trigger when scoring, as mentioned in the thread.It is key to understand what points a feature is worth vs. what points a figure can score. This relationship is 1-to-1 for all meeples except for mayors. If a mayor scores 0 points, that doesn't mean the feature is worth 0 points. The same as a castle can score points for an unoccupied feature, a castle can also score the same points if the feature was occupied by a mayor that cannot score the feature. All in all, castles score points for one completed feature in their vicinity (including other castles). Castles see the points the features are worth. They don't pay attention to the points scored by the figures on those features, if occupied.
A couple of images illustrating how the chin reaction is broken by the third castle from the left: Example 1: the fief of the third castle does not overlap the second, so it cannot spread the chain reaction.Example 2: the fief of the third castle does not overlap the second and it is already completed, so it cannot spread the chain reaction either.
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