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Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« on: July 11, 2020, 09:28:14 AM »
Another russian question, this time about Choice of Bogatyr: Is the choice of Bogatyr (the stone tablet terminating the road) considered a special feature? By extension, can a wagon drive through it? It doesn't have any effect on its own, nor can it be claimed, but it has a name and it blocks the road.
This is another question I need answered for my secret project ( 8)) and haven't seen an answer to anywher else.

Feel free to make this a separate topic if needed.

Linkback: https://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4726.0
« Last Edit: July 11, 2020, 09:32:51 AM by tp10053 »

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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2020, 10:56:47 AM »
So once again if we look at this from various perspectives (as with the Solovei razboynik tile), I think the most probable answer is no - for being feature, and yes - for wagon movement.
Let me elaborate:

Bogatyr stone lacks certain attributes which define a feature: (1) it cannot be claimed, (2) it does not have a special function or effect.
So while it does have unique art, it is mechanistically indistinguishable from a normal crossroad. So we can assume it works exactly like one.

From thematic perspective, we know that the stone reads: 
       
        Go to the left, and you will find death
        Go to the right, and you will lose your horse
        Go straight, and you will lose yourself

Implying that the Bogatyr on the horse can indeed pass the stone and travel straight.

It should be noted that this is the only tile out of the 4 russian promos that does not have any special effects, only unique layout. Some might argue that it is a feature of its own since it has a name, but the names of the russian promos desribe both the feature and the tile itself . So in this case, I think it is just the name of the tile.

I will check if I can find the original tale this tile is based on and search for further clues. All in all, an official statement from HobbyWorld would be appreciated (Murphy013? ;)).



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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2020, 11:03:39 AM »
Ha ha ha! I already asked Murphy013 for help  ;)
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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2020, 11:06:04 AM »
Ha ha ha! I already asked Murphy013 for help  ;)

Nice!  :D

What do you think about my thoughts on this? Anything to add?

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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2020, 11:26:05 AM »
My guts tell me the wagon shouldn't have any problem in moving (around?) to the other side of the stone. But it is not for me to tell. You saw you could argue in favor or against the Solovei Razboynik's tree splitting the road.


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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2020, 11:33:58 AM »
Well if the Bogatyr's horse didn't have a problem then surely a wagon drawn by horses could do it as well. Unless the space around the stone is too narrow and it cannot squeeze through  :P

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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2020, 04:29:35 PM »
Does the stone work to end one of the 4 roads? Or all 4? Or none?

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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #7 on: July 11, 2020, 05:01:59 PM »
Only one.

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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #8 on: July 12, 2020, 12:50:18 AM »
Does the stone work to end one of the 4 roads? Or all 4? Or none?

Only one.

The rules for this tile indicate the following:

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This tile contains 2 distinct roads. One road is a continuous road with 3 branches and no junctions. The other road terminates in a junction at the stone. This tile contains 4 field segments.

For more info on this tile, you can visit this page:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Russian_Promos_(1st_edition)#The_Choice_of_Bogatyr

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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #9 on: July 14, 2020, 06:22:21 AM »
Hi all!

We have an answer form Hobby World regarding the Bogatyr tile and the wagon:

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Q: Does the stone in the Bogatyr tile allow the wagon to move between the two road segments (the 1-legged and the 3-legged ones)?
A: Yes, it does.


So this means that, if you complete one of the roads on the Bogatyr tile, you may move your wagon past the stone to the other road on the tile if it is incomplete and unoccupied. Just bear in mind that:
* The C1 rules allow you to move the wagon to any tile part of the destination feature.
* The C2 rules allow you to move the wagon to the same tile or to a neighboring one only.

Thank you again, Murphy013 for your help in dolving this question too.

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Re: Question about Bogatyr tile (Russian Promo)
« Reply #10 on: July 14, 2020, 12:14:00 PM »
Finally! We have the answer. Thank you Murphy013!
« Last Edit: July 14, 2020, 12:16:51 PM by tp10053 »


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