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Title: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on November 24, 2018, 11:37:02 AM
Players and Chosen Expansions

Danisthirty - King & Robber Baron

Jéré - The Phantom

Jungleboy - Mage & Witch

Leven - Inns & Cathedrals

MrNumbers - Abbey & Mayor

Xanderx12 - Princess & Dragon

Fixtures

Each player is to play a single two-person game of Carcassonne using JCloisterZone against each of the other players in the division. The starting date will be 1st December 2018 and all games must be played and the results posted on this thread before midnight GMT on Friday 16th February 2019. The starting player in each case will be chosen at random.

The tile set for each game will consist of the base game and each of the competitors' chosen expansions, i.e. two expansions are to be used in every match.

The Division

As a result of each match, each player will be awarded league points according to the following rules:-

Most game points for roads – 1 point
Most game points for cities – 1 point
Most game points for cloisters – 1 point
Most game points for farms – 1 point
Most game points overall (formerly referred to as 'a win') – 1 point
Tying any of the above with opponent – 0.5 points

This means that all matches have 5 points available to be distributed to the two players.

A league table with points gained from matches played will be maintained and regularly posted to this thread by the tournament organiser.

The top ranked two players after all matches have been played will be declared 'Champion' and 'Runner-up' respectively. The lowest ranked two players will be eligible for relegation.

In addition to the Champion and Runner-up, the following will be awarded:-

The Brave Brigand – the player with the most league points for roads
The Knoble Knight – the player with the most league points for cities
The Crafty Cleric – the player with the most league points for cloisters
The Fruitful Farmer – the player with the most league points for farms
The Triumphant Tiler – the player with the most league points for winning games

After each match, it is the winner's responsibility to ensure that the result is posted to this thread clearly showing the points awarded separately for Roads, Cloisters, Cities and Farms.

The full rules have been attached for you all to read at your leisure.

Please do not start playing league matches until 1st December, but it would be in all players' interests to try out a few pre-season matches as in my Freshers' Week post earlier today. http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4138.0 (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4138.0)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on November 26, 2018, 03:49:58 AM
Hello gang!

Can't wait to get started... :) :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on November 26, 2018, 05:01:56 AM
Hi Guys! Just to let you know that Rosco, Chooselife, Halfling, Rich_The_Fish and myself all have experience with the new points system in this tournament, and it might be a good idea if you were to use us for your pre-season friendlies.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on November 27, 2018, 03:19:37 AM
Thanks again Steve for setting this up. I'm keen to play some practice games, especially since I haven't actually played Carcassonne in ages. Actually I've only ever played Carcassonne three times and, amazingly, all three games resulted in victories over danisthirty - two practice games in 2014 and the Ark of the Covenant showdown.

At the moment organising games is a bit difficult while I'm travelling (re: Internet access, timing etc). I'm three hours behind UK time right now, but by Friday it'll be back down to two hours, so maybe this weekend or next week it might be easier to arrange a game.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on November 27, 2018, 04:45:57 AM
Actually I've only ever played Carcassonne three times and, amazingly, all three games resulted in victories over danisthirty - two practice games in 2014 and the Ark of the Covenant showdown.

I think you're forgetting this game (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=1041.msg15330#msg15330). Regrettably it was yet another victory over me for you, but you only beat Rosco and B1nder thanks to the fact that I was determined to get my barn onto Rosco's barn farm even if that meant dragging your rubbishy barn along too...

Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Decar on November 27, 2018, 08:08:09 AM
I think you're forgetting....

THIS GAME:
Next up was Carcassonne, I rarely get to play 4-player and it's nice to see such a busy board.  I was late to the scoretrack, but it was a close game as you'll see.
(http://tehill.net/carcassonne/fun/Watford2018/20180303_174246.jpg)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on November 27, 2018, 08:41:07 AM
Oh, and this one...

(http://www.dan.tehill.net/Draughts_2.jpg)

(before calculating our final scores Nick and I were still on the same square and I'd successfully resisted a delicious burger that had been sitting next to me for at least 15 minutes)

So, the final scores were:

Dan :blue-meeple: (87)
Nick :green-meeple: (75)
Tom :yellow-meeple: (64)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on November 27, 2018, 08:43:56 AM
Oh, and this one...

(http://www.dan.tehill.net/Draughts_2.jpg)

(before calculating our final scores Nick and I were still on the same square and I'd successfully resisted a delicious burger that had been sitting next to me for at least 15 minutes)

So, the final scores were:

Dan :blue-meeple: (87)
Nick :green-meeple: (75)
Tom :yellow-meeple: (64)

That one doesn't count as I was thrown off by the 70-point scoreboard.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Decar on November 27, 2018, 08:46:57 AM
That was a good burger.... and at least you didn't need to wait 45minutes for a cookie to arrive at our table on a plate.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on November 27, 2018, 09:01:03 AM
Oi you lot!! Get on your own thread!! This is for League results!!  C:-)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on December 01, 2018, 06:21:23 AM
I am up for a friendly game tonight or tomorrow night if anyone's keen.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on December 01, 2018, 07:43:58 AM
I am up for a friendly game tonight or tomorrow night if anyone's keen.

Sorry "jungleoy" (if that is your real name), but I only do unfriendly games. :P
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on December 03, 2018, 06:15:38 AM
Yo dudes!

We've officially started and there haven't been any games yet despite the fact that we're all in the premiership and so should be being paid at least €100m per game. So... we're visiting the Harry Potter studios this afternoon, but Wednesday, Thursday or Friday are looking good for a game at this end if anyone else is free then?

Let's get the premiership underway! 8) :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on December 03, 2018, 06:57:38 AM
Yo dudes!

We've officially started and there haven't been any games yet despite the fact that we're all in the premiership and so should be being paid at least €100m per game. So... we're visiting the Harry Potter studios this afternoon, but Wednesday, Thursday or Friday are looking good for a game at this end if anyone else is free then?

Let's get the premiership underway! 8) :(y)

Dan, your sponsorship from the Trump University was supposed to be a closely guarded secret. I now have a long list of players asking why they are not being paid appearance money.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on December 03, 2018, 07:09:38 AM
Yo dudes!

We've officially started and there haven't been any games yet despite the fact that we're all in the premiership and so should be being paid at least €100m per game. So... we're visiting the Harry Potter studios this afternoon, but Wednesday, Thursday or Friday are looking good for a game at this end if anyone else is free then?

Let's get the premiership underway! 8) :(y)

Dan, your sponsorship from the Trump University was supposed to be a closely guarded secret. I now have a long list of players asking why they are not being paid appearance money.

Don't worry the Steve. I can fix it. Nobody will know a thing...
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on December 06, 2018, 01:59:09 AM
Hello again chaps.

All the other divisions are making us look bad, so I've decided to declare myself the winner of our little league by default. That way we can be finished, and don't have to go to the trouble of playing any games. O:-)

Thanks everyone for your participation, the competition was certainly very close at times, like when jungleboy and I almost got together to play a "friendly" game :o! But I like to feel that the best, and most handsome, player won in the end and deserves the overall title.

Failing this, if anyone would like to play an actual game some time I'm happy to oblige...

Come on guys! :(y) 8)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Halfling on December 06, 2018, 10:57:57 AM
Congrats on your theoretical win Dan.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: wolnic on December 06, 2018, 11:50:48 AM
And who's in the automatic relegation spot(s)?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on December 06, 2018, 02:31:18 PM
And who's in the automatic relegation spot(s)?

Hmm. Good question.

Well, it would be remiss of me not to have Jungleboy demoted, for obvious (personal) reasons. I'm struggling to decide between Jéré and MrNumbers for the second spot, but probably MrNumbers as he's chosen Abbey & Mayor which does my head in with all the farming opportunities and wagon tomfoolery. ::)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on December 06, 2018, 02:54:40 PM
Sorry for my lack of availability so far. I'll be home in two weeks so hopefully I'll have a chance to start playing some games then.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Xanderx12 on December 07, 2018, 12:25:55 PM
From Monday 10th I will have all the day free to play in JCloister if anyone want a match :)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Jéré on December 08, 2018, 12:34:13 PM
Hello all,

My daughter is 1 week old today (born Dec 1st) so it has been quite busy times recently. I should be available this coming week for games, so don't hesitate to contact me. thanks.

Jéré
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on December 08, 2018, 12:58:08 PM
Congratulations Jere! I hope that you and family are all well and adjusting to life as a four well!

I also hope that your new arrival is sleeping well and that you aren't too sleep-deprived. But if you are, please let me kbiw when you're at your most exhausted and we'll play our game then!  >:D
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on December 08, 2018, 01:37:23 PM
Congratulations on your newest family member, Jéré. Best wishes.

As for me, these are quite busy weeks for me, too. I might be available for one or two games during the next two weeks, but I would rather prefer to play my games after Christmas.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on December 09, 2018, 02:26:30 AM
Félicitations Jéré !
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on December 10, 2018, 04:38:23 AM
Many congratulations Jéré and Mrs Jéré from bonnie Scotland!  :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on December 14, 2018, 12:51:05 PM
Congratulations, Jéré! Now you have a full set! ;) :D
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 02, 2019, 08:18:11 AM
I would really like to see something happening in this group but action has eluded us all so far. Which isn't great. But we're all as guilty as each other of this, so let's try to make a fresh start now that it's 2019.

I will be available from Monday 7th January and will be available throughout the entire week for anyone who thinks they might have an hour or so of availability then. Please post here if you do so we can schedule a slot in the calendar and hopefully it will spur everyone else to jump on the bandwagon too.

Let's do this thing.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Xanderx12 on January 03, 2019, 06:42:24 AM
I'm ready to play all the rest of the day, PM me!
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 06, 2019, 02:56:13 PM
It's hard to believe but the first game of the division has been played this evening.
Even though there has been some issues with the online server which crashed before even starting the game. Then a very unusual error happened: I tried to host a game with JCZ v4.3.0 but Xanderx could not select the colour for himself. Has anyone seen such a bug before? In the end we played with v3.4.3 without any problem.

Xanderx could have won the game easily in the end but made a wrong dragon movement at his last turn which gave the dragon an unexpected extra meal, and by losing that blue farmer my Chilean friend lost a 30 points farm... Ouch.

The final result is: Leven 3 : 2 Xanderx12
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 07, 2019, 12:30:16 AM
Well done on getting a game in. We have had a house guest staying with us for the last week or so but tonight is her last night, so from tomorrow night I should be able to play. I might have to abandon my hopes of a practice game and just get straight into it.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 07, 2019, 02:49:29 AM
I am pleased to see that the new year has brought this competition to life. I hope that the Premiership and League A will both start to take shape over the next couple of weeks.

Attached is the table standings after the first match.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 07, 2019, 03:17:15 AM
Congrats on playing your game Leven and Xanderx12! Glad that our group is finally off the ground.

Well done on getting a game in. We have had a house guest staying with us for the last week or so but tonight is her last night, so from tomorrow night I should be able to play. I might have to abandon my hopes of a practice game and just get straight into it.

My Tuesday evening is free if you'd like to play?

Every other evening is also free is anyone else can play today or later in the week? Leven? Xanderx12?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 07, 2019, 11:39:53 PM
My Tuesday evening is free if you'd like to play?

Sounds good. But I reserve the right to excommunicate you if I lose.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 08, 2019, 01:56:41 PM
Mystic Nick and I had our first games of this league this evening:

(http://www.dan.tehill.net/Dan_JB_scores_08jan19.JPG)

(http://www.dan.tehill.net/Awesome Dan_Nicholas Mystikos_20190108-213536.png)

I always enjoy playing against the artist formerly known as jungleboy (even when he wins), and this game was no exception. Neither of the expansions (Mage & Witch and King & Robber Baron) were especially heavy but they complimented each other well and made for a fun game with lots to think about.

In terms of league points, I believe it was 3 - 2 to me overall. Nick won more points from roads and cities than I did (with a lot of help from his Mage ::)) but I took more chances on cloisters and was successful in winning the main farm outright which also won me the game. Interestingly, Nick and I were both focussing on roads more than we might otherwise have done; Nick because he was going for the point, and me because I'd won the Robber Baron token and wanted to increase its value with as many completed roads as possible.

Thanks for the great game Nick! 8) :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 08, 2019, 02:14:16 PM
This was my first game of Carcassonne in ages, and my first as the patriarch of Constantinople. I decided to play as black which seemed like a good colour for a man of the cloth, whereas jungleboy always played as green to match the trees that he frequently swung from in his more athletic days.

At the beginning of the game Dan said he didn't bother counting the individual features in this format. I suspect that was a trick to try to get me not to count them while he secretly had five abacuses going at the same time.

I drew most of the M&W tiles which helped bump up my score a bit, especially on roads, which I ended up winning. I chose to close a big city of Dan's while the witch was in it which got me the robber baron and ensured that his score for the city wasn't damaging (although he got two meeples back earlier than he otherwise would have). And I ended up holding on to the robber baron and winning cities, so I think that was the right move.

Despite my position as head of the Byzantine orthodox church, I didn't claim any cloisters, because when I drew them, there weren't really favourable positions for them and/or I wanted to conserve meeples. 

Dan did a slightly better job getting onto the main farm but with one tile left, a RCCX tile would have allowed me to tie it, which would have won me the farm points because of my better secondary farm. Instead I got a RRCC tile and completed a mid-sized city with it, which allowed me to win cities.

First impressions are that unless you're going to do a lot of counting during the game (as Dan did with his abacuses), the format doesn't play a huge part in how you play. But it is fun to not really know what's going to happen at the end, and then see the score flash up. Another thing that might play out in a lot of games is that if the game 'descends' into a winner-take-all farm battle as Carcassonne games between equal opponents often do, the winner gets the farm points and the game points, which is 40% of the score. So that aspect of the game is still crucial even though points are spread around a bit more overall.

Thanks Dan and congratulations. Looking forward to the next game!
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 09, 2019, 01:30:32 AM
If this division continues with close matches, this is going to be a very interesting competition. I hope that league A starts livening up a bit in the near future too.

After 2 matches, the table looks like this:-
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 10, 2019, 04:06:36 AM
I’m available tonight and over the weekend if anyone’s keen for a game.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 10, 2019, 04:40:44 AM
I’m available tonight and over the weekend if anyone’s keen for a game.

Me too! @Leven @Xanderx12 @MrNumbers @Jere? 8)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 10, 2019, 05:01:57 AM
Dan we could just play our real game now that we've warmed up with that friendly game the other night?  :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 11, 2019, 06:20:01 AM
Hi. I'm available this evening (after 9 pm CET) for a league game.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 11, 2019, 06:28:08 AM
Hi. I'm available this evening (after 9 pm CET) for a league game.

BOOKED!
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 11, 2019, 10:55:00 AM
I could play a game tonight, starting at 21:30 CET (maybe even earlier).
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 11, 2019, 11:22:15 AM
I could play a game tonight, starting at 21:30 CET (maybe even earlier).

I'll play! 21:30 CET works for me.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 11, 2019, 02:20:54 PM
The eventful week of the premiership league goes on.  :P

Here is the most recent result:
:violet-meeple: Leven 3 : 2  :blue-meeple: danisthirty

Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 11, 2019, 02:49:45 PM
Even more games this week:

MrNumbers vs. Nicholas Mystikos
3:2
285:243
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 12, 2019, 01:01:40 AM
MrNumbers vs. Nicholas Mystikos
3:2
285:243

Taking a look at the game in terms of the five elements:

Cities: MrNumbers completed a couple of decently-sized cities early in the game and it was obvious from then on that he would win cities comfortably, so I didn't try to counter this.

Roads: Similarly, but in reverse, I completed a couple of pretty big roads early and felt that I had this point won for most of the game. The difference was only four points in the end, so it was closer than I thought.

Cloisters: Only one cloister tile came out in the first half of the game, and I drew it, claimed it and completed it. I later claimed one or two more, and used my abbey in an insta-complete situation to prevent MrNumbers from being able to do the same, because that was the only such hole on the board at that time. So I knew I was comfortable on cloisters.

Farms: It's been ages since I'd played with abbey and mayor (MrNumbers' chosen expansion) so I'd forgotten the strategies of farming with barns a bit. I placed several farmers early on different farms that seemed likely to join up and become the main farm (which they did). I tried to set up a barn placement but MrNumbers is too smart/lucky for that and he got the tile that created the field corner and put his own barn in it. I got some points when my original three farmers ended up connecting to the barn farm, and later got my own barn onto the same farm, but MrNumbers did much better later in the game at connecting his farmers to it when it was worth more. This was the main difference in the farm score and the overall game score.

Game: The scores were very close for the whole game (within 10 points either way). My expansion, Mage and Witch, was pretty much a non-factor because six of the eight tiles were drawn within the first 15 tiles of the game. I was feeling good about winning the game overall until the last third, when MrNumbers started to score big from farmers joining the barn farm. I joined a couple and tried to join more but didn't get the tiles I needed.

Congratulations MrNumbers!
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 12, 2019, 08:37:31 AM
Literally nothing to add to what Nicholas Mystikos said :)
The only thing - I shouldn't take these two 6-points farms, I should take some roads instead (and I had such opportunity). But OK, not bad for the first time :D
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 12, 2019, 11:57:59 AM
Today I also could play a game, same time - 21:30 CET.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 14, 2019, 01:31:01 AM
It is good to see that the Premiership is well under way! Here is the table after 4 matches:-
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 14, 2019, 03:43:56 AM
@MrNumber @Xanderx12 @Jere: would any of you be free at some point this week for a game?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 16, 2019, 11:49:04 AM
I can play tonight at 21:30 CET.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 18, 2019, 06:00:28 AM
I can play tonight at 21:30 CET.

Sorry I missed this. Is there any chance you would be able to play this weekend?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 18, 2019, 12:07:53 PM
I can play tonight at 21:30 CET.

Sorry I missed this. Is there any chance you would be able to play this weekend?
Tonight, same time?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 21, 2019, 01:51:21 AM
I can play tonight at 21:30 CET.

Sorry I missed this. Is there any chance you would be able to play this weekend?
Tonight, same time?

I can do tonight at 21:30 CET if you're free? (same goes for you guys Xanderx12 and Jere?)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 21, 2019, 02:08:51 AM
I can do tonight at 21:30 CET if you're free? (same goes for you guys Xanderx12 and Jere?)
OK, see you tonight.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 21, 2019, 02:17:39 AM
Just to let you guys know that Jere has contacted me over the weekend and has informed me that, due to his new family circumstances, he will be unable to compete. I will not be replacing him at this stage of proceedings, so the league is now reduced to 5 players for this season only.

Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 21, 2019, 03:36:34 AM
Just to let you guys know that Jere has contacted me over the weekend and has informed me that, due to his new family circumstances, he will be unable to compete. I will not be replacing him at this stage of proceedings, so the league is now reduced to 5 players for this season only.
Does this means that we will have only 1 player to be relegated to lower league? Or still from 5 players 2 will be relegated?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 21, 2019, 03:38:15 AM
Just to let you guys know that Jere has contacted me over the weekend and has informed me that, due to his new family circumstances, he will be unable to compete. I will not be replacing him at this stage of proceedings, so the league is now reduced to 5 players for this season only.
Does this means that we will have only 1 player to be relegated to lower league? Or still from 5 players 2 will be relegated?

Only 1 player will become eligible for relegation now. Next season 2 from the Championship will replace Jere and one other (Danisthirty probably).  >:D
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 21, 2019, 06:05:30 AM
I am free quite a lot this week to play my last two games. Leven and Xanderx12, are you available?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 21, 2019, 09:24:26 AM
I am free quite a lot this week to play my last two games. Leven and Xanderx12, are you available?
From Thursday evening yes.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 21, 2019, 03:49:54 PM
Despite losing to the Numbers Man, it was victory for me. I think. Sort of.

(http://www.dan.tehill.net/Dan_MrNumbers_scores_21jan19.JPG)

(http://www.dan.tehill.net/MrNumbers_Dan_20190121-213243.png)

I won on roads and cloisters by 1 point each, and on cities by 6 points. Giving me 3 points overall. Of course, this means that MrNumbers won on farms (by 5 points), and the game, by 29 points thanks to the King & Robber Baron bonuses which were worth a grand total of 32 points between them! :o

I will admit that it's been a while since I'd last played with Abbey & Mayor but I had a good opportunity to get my barn down first and was focusing on growing it, and adding farmers to it for a handful of points at every opportunity. Things were pretty level elsewhere, but MrNumbers certainly knew what he had to do to keep himself in the game and didn't struggle to do it.

In the early part of the game I seemed to draw a lot of roads (especially straight ones) which I anticipated being of use towards winning the Robber Baron token for the longest road. However, I never seemed to be able to close my roads and MrNumbers was only too well aware of what the bonuses could be worth, so was happy to close them for me on several occasions in order to ensure he kept the RB bonus at the end of the game. Meanwhile, he effortlessly won a battle for the largest city and closed it with his abbey which won him the King bonus too. This came as a bit of a blow, but I was still quietly confident at this point as my barn farm was getting to be quite valuable.

So naturally, defending my barn farm and eliminating any opportunity for MrNumbers to get onto it became my main priority from that point forward. This is why I was so surprised to see him play a very risky move by placing his barn on the opposite side of a road that would be very difficult to connect to my field. I half wondered if that was even his intention, or if he'd just done it as he hadn't been able to place his barn elsewhere and had the opportunity to take 8 easy points for it. I couldn't do anything to slow him down with my next tile, but felt I must have really angered the Carcassonne gods when the very next tile for MrNumbers was the fffr tile that he needed to join his barn onto my barn farm. This was the point that the game win suddenly started to seem very unlikely... :(

I struggled with meeples for much of the latter part of the game as I'd claimed too many cloisters that I couldn't complete. I didn't seem to be getting any useful tiles either though, and had pretty much given up hope until I drew a very timely ccrr tile which allowed me to get back into the game a little. I think MrNumbers' win was secure by this point, but having a few meeples back in hand did at least allow me to threaten him in a few places, not that it made much of a difference...

I was surprised to see just how evenly we were matched on each of the feature types when the score breakdown was displayed at the end of the game, and it goes to show how even just 1 point in the right place can make all the difference! So overall the score was 3 - 2 to me, despite having fewer points overall. King & Robber Baron is rapidly becoming one of my least favourite expansions though... >:(

Thanks for the game MrNumbers! :red-meeple: :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 21, 2019, 11:40:37 PM
I am free quite a lot this week to play my last two games. Leven and Xanderx12, are you available?
From Thursday evening yes.

OK, let’s try for Thursday then.

I haven’t been following the other divisions. Is the result above the first time someone has gained three points from an overall loss?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 22, 2019, 01:19:55 AM
After 5 games played the Premiership looks like this.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 22, 2019, 02:31:07 AM
I am free quite a lot this week to play my last two games. Leven and Xanderx12, are you available?
From Thursday evening yes.
I haven’t been following the other divisions. Is the result above the first time someone has gained three points from an overall loss?

I'm pretty sure there have been other 3 - 2s that have gone against the overall points winner, but I don't think I've seen any 4 - 1s as might have been the case if I'd drawn an ffxx tile in the later stages of the game and connected my 0-point farmer to the barn farm.

I'd guess any game with big points bonus expansions like T & B, K & RB or Goldmines could swing the overall victory away from someone even if they did win more points from each of the individual feature types. Likewise, Fairy bonus points, Tower ransoms and Bazaar bids could have a similar effect.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: thodekey on January 22, 2019, 06:15:18 AM
I had a 4-1 victory in my first game against JackFace although I lost on points in the regular overall score.  (Championship League)
That was the result of my choice for the Goldmines expansion: I was slightly leading in both roads, cloisters, cloisters and cities but JackFace collected far more gold bars than I did, which gave him an 30-points bonus that led to a 11-points victory in the overall score for JackFace.
So it's possible, but I guess you have to have a special expansion that adds points to the overal score like Goldmines, King & Robber Baron,...

I am free quite a lot this week to play my last two games. Leven and Xanderx12, are you available?
From Thursday evening yes.
I haven’t been following the other divisions. Is the result above the first time someone has gained three points from an overall loss?

I'm pretty sure there have been other 3 - 2s that have gone against the overall points winner, but I don't think I've seen any 4 - 1s as might have been the case if I'd drawn an ffxx tile in the later stages of the game and connected my 0-point farmer to the barn farm.

I'd guess any game with big points bonus expansions like T & B, K & RB or Goldmines could swing the overall victory away from someone even if they did win more points from each of the individual feature types. Likewise, Fairy bonus points, Tower ransoms and Bazaar bids could have a similar effect.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 24, 2019, 06:41:19 AM
Leven and I are playing tonight. It will be interesting to see how using Inns and Cathedrals and Mage and Witch together impacts the game!
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 24, 2019, 02:35:01 PM
Leven and I are playing tonight. It will be interesting to see how using Inns and Cathedrals and Mage and Witch together impacts the game!
I'm so sorry Nick, it was my fault that this game did not happen today. (I was completely lost in an other activity, and somehow didn't recognize Slack's notification about your message. Shame on me.)
How about Friday, Saturday or Sunday evening? Would any of these be suitable for you?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 24, 2019, 11:45:20 PM
I'm so sorry Nick, it was my fault that this game did not happen today. (I was completely lost in an other activity, and somehow didn't recognize Slack's notification about your message. Shame on me.)
How about Friday, Saturday or Sunday evening? Would any of these be suitable for you?

No worries. Shall we try again for tonight at around a similar time (9pm-ish CET)?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 26, 2019, 01:30:08 PM
Today I did not forget about our scheduled game, so now I can report another result in the premiership.

:black1-meeple: Nicholas Mysticos vs :violet-meeple: Leven 2:3

I won farms and cloisters while Nick was victious in city and road points.

I have to admit that I had a bit more luck during the game overall. For example, twice in the game I drew cloisters which I could place into fully surrounded holes, gaining easy 2*9 points this way (securing my victory in cloister points, as well). Moreover, I also drew the one and only CCRF tile which left Nick's big follower stuck in a small incompletable city. That gave me a huge advantage in farming, and by using my big meeple I was able to steal a valuable farm from Nicholas.

Thanks for the game, Nick, and good luck in your next game.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 26, 2019, 11:58:34 PM
This was a tough game as I felt the tile draws went against me, and it's hard enough to play against Leven as it is! In addition to the ones mentioned by Leven, I had two meeples (one on a road and one in a city) that were waiting for one CFRR tile to close both features for about 50 tiles. I finally got it on my second last turn, but by then it was much too late to make an attempt at winning farms and/or the game with them. Anyway, congratulations Leven!
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 28, 2019, 01:40:32 AM
League table update with 3 weeks left of the season.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on January 28, 2019, 01:45:03 AM
@TheSteveAllen: Isn't the thing that you're sorting on - points - missing from the table?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 28, 2019, 01:56:22 AM
@TheSteveAllen: Isn't the thing that you're sorting on - points - missing from the table?
I see points in the last column.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on January 28, 2019, 01:59:15 AM
@TheSteveAllen: Isn't the thing that you're sorting on - points - missing from the table?

Do you happen to referee Scottish football matches Nick?  >:D
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on January 28, 2019, 04:06:24 AM
@Xanderx12 - are you still reading this page? Would love to play our game sometime if you're free? Please let me know either here or via PM. Thanks!
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 31, 2019, 11:49:37 AM
@Leven or @Xanderx12, is someone of you available tonight for a game?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on January 31, 2019, 12:08:15 PM
@Leven or @Xanderx12, is someone of you available tonight for a game?
Yes, I am. I'm ready to play this evening.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 31, 2019, 12:16:33 PM
@Leven or @Xanderx12, is someone of you available tonight for a game?
Yes, I am. I'm ready to play this evening.
I am in the Slack channel.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on January 31, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
Leven vs. MrNumbers
184:209
2:3

Thrilling game, in which I secured the win only with my very last tile! I started with a couple of good cities, blocked Leven's mayor for a while. When he placed his barn, I tried to cut it off from growing up, but failed with that, so his barn became huge rather quickly. I tried to win in cloisters, but didn't draw enough to score these points. I almost lost hope to win, when a saving last tile showed up! :)
Thanks for the game, Leven! Very interesting, as always! :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 01, 2019, 01:37:35 AM
With 3 matches left, all involving Xanderx12, the table is very close. Leven has completed all his matches and is in top spot.

Has anyone heard from Xanderx12 recently?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Leven on February 01, 2019, 01:57:34 AM


Has anyone heard from Xanderx12 recently?
I tried to get in contact with him on Facebook but he hasn't received my message yet.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on February 01, 2019, 02:00:40 AM
@TheSteveAllen: Isn't the thing that you're sorting on - points - missing from the table?
I see points in the last column.

Oh right. I have to scroll right to see it. PD is the last column I see on my screen without scrolling. Sorry for doubting you @TheSteveAllen.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on February 01, 2019, 02:01:19 AM
Has anyone heard from Xanderx12 recently?
I tried to get in contact with him on Facebook but he hasn't received my message yet.

I sent him a PM here last weekend but no reply yet.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 01, 2019, 02:07:22 AM
If necessary, I can go down the 'average number of points per match' route i.e. divide points by games played, but we are 2 weeks away from that as yet.  :(
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on February 01, 2019, 03:16:53 AM
Has anyone heard from Xanderx12 recently?
I tried to get in contact with him on Facebook but he hasn't received my message yet.

I sent him a PM here last weekend but no reply yet.

I've also sent him a couple of PMs but no response. Apparently he last visited the site on 22nd Jan. Hope he comes back soon :(
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: thodekey on February 01, 2019, 04:34:36 AM
I might be mistaken but wasn't he a student? I guess he has exams right now then?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on February 01, 2019, 04:49:31 AM
I might be mistaken but wasn't he a student? I guess he has exams right now then?

Yeah. Exams in Carcassonne!

*BOOM*

^ banter / smack talk
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 01, 2019, 05:18:50 AM
I might be mistaken but wasn't he a student? I guess he has exams right now then?

You are never mistaken Thomas!!  >:D
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: MrNumbers on February 08, 2019, 10:29:12 AM
I just wanted to ask: what happens if Xanderx12 won't show up till the date? I think it would be fair to eliminate his results from the score table completely.
Second question is, how tie breaks are working. Now according to the rules PD is the first tie breaker. Wouldn't be better to use number of wins as a first tie breaker, and then PD? Just to avoid situations, when you could win all games and be even relegated :o
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 12, 2019, 02:26:32 AM
I am hoping that Xanderx12 will be playing his remaining matches this week, as I note that he visited this forum on Friday and is obviously still alive and kicking.

In the event that he does not appear before midnight on Friday, unfortunately for Leven, his match will be discounted and the final table will be as attached.

MrNumbers would be Champion and Leven would be the runner up in a very disappointing (for me) contest. I was expecting this to happen in the lower leagues, but not in the Premiership containing, as it does, some of our top players.

Thanks, by the way, to Jere for having the courtesy of letting me know that his circumstances did not allow him to compete.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: jungleboy on February 12, 2019, 11:26:57 PM
That sounds fair. Plus it helps me avoid relegation, doesn’t it?
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 13, 2019, 05:52:47 AM
That sounds fair. Plus it helps me avoid relegation, doesn’t it?
I think that relegation is highly unlikely. The premiership might even contain 7 members in the Spring Tournament.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: thodekey on February 13, 2019, 07:10:01 AM
TheSteveAllen,

You're the boss but given the response of the first Tournament, it might be better to stick to 2 Leagues with people committed to play all their games. 
And what i'm not sure of: can people change their expansion per season or do we stick to our chosen expansion for a whole year?

Greetings from a fan of this kind of competition.  ;)

That sounds fair. Plus it helps me avoid relegation, doesn’t it?
I think that relegation is highly unlikely. The premiership might even contain 7 members in the Spring Tournament.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 15, 2019, 04:51:00 AM
Guys, there is an important announcement about the Spring competition to be found here:-

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4216.0

I hope that you will all be signing up for this.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: TheSteveAllen on February 15, 2019, 05:20:50 AM
I just wanted to ask: what happens if Xanderx12 won't show up till the date? I think it would be fair to eliminate his results from the score table completely.
Second question is, how tie breaks are working. Now according to the rules PD is the first tie breaker. Wouldn't be better to use number of wins as a first tie breaker, and then PD? Just to avoid situations, when you could win all games and be even relegated :o

I am quite happy with this as an idea and think that I should include it in the rules for the new season. Thanks for the feedback Andrew!  :(y)
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: Xanderx12 on February 18, 2019, 10:25:02 AM
I'm sorry to have to announce this, but for reasons of force majeure I have to withdraw from the competition. At the moment I do not have an interne tconnection stable enough to even play a game. I'm sory a lot people,I haven't been around due to this problem.
Title: Re: CCDL - Premiership Winter 2018
Post by: danisthirty on February 18, 2019, 03:08:31 PM
I'm sorry to have to announce this, but for reasons of force majeure I have to withdraw from the competition. At the moment I do not have an interne tconnection stable enough to even play a game. I'm sory a lot people,I haven't been around due to this problem.

Sorry to hear this. What a shame it happened when it did... :(