Yes, I know that is not exacly the answer of your question but, I don't understand your doubt. For scoring a watchtower you must to be ON the tile. A bridge ON the watchtower tile= you are ON the tile = you score the watchtower. It' the same like little buildings... You are ON the tile to score the bonus... SAME I think there's no doubt... Scoring bonuses of printed roads is another thing very different... You must to be connected to the road... It's not the case...
Scoring modifiers, scoring bonuses and actions affecting a road network will also affect a bridge connected to it:Inns (Exp. 1 - Inns & Cathedrals)Mage (Mini #5 - Mage and Witch)Witch (Mini #5 - Mage and Witch)Solovei Razboynik actions (Russian Promos)German castles (Castles in Germany)German cathedrals (Cathedrals in Germany)Bathhouses (The Barber-Surgeons)Labyrinth bonus (The Labyrinths)Wainwrights quarter bonus (The Markets of Leipzig)Scoring bonuses and actions affecting a tile will also affect a bridge placed on that tile:Dragon eating figures (Exp. 3 - The Princess and the Dragon)Fairy protection (Exp. 3 - The Princess and the Dragon)Gold pieces (Mini #4 - The Goldmines)Little buildings (Little Buildings)Vodyanoy action (Russian Promos)Scoring bonuses and actions affecting locally printed roads on a tile by proximity (the feature must be on the road) or connectivity (the feature must be connected to the road) will not affect bridges passing over the tile automatically:Inns (Exp. 1 - Inns & Cathedrals)German castles (Castles in Germany)Features considered by tollhouses (The Tollkeepers)Solovei Razboynik action (Russian Promos)
Quote from: DrMeeple on December 22, 2020, 11:45:48 PMQuote from: corinthiens13 on December 22, 2020, 11:16:43 PMQuote from: DrMeeple on December 22, 2020, 10:27:59 PMQuote from: Carcassonne93 on December 22, 2020, 05:19:28 PMA meeple placed on a bridge that is placed on a watchtower tile should receive the watchtower bonus when the road with the bridge will be completed?You can read on WICA the answer: ‘The Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridge’The anwer is YESPD: Read WICA Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI think you're misinterpreting WICA.The question here is:I have a meeple on a bridge, a watchtower is under that bridge. When the road is scored, will my meeple on the bridge get the watchtower bonus?The quote from WICAQuoteThe Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridgemeans:I have a meeple scoring a watchtower (so the meeple is on a city or road segment on a watchtower tile, not on a bridge), the watchtower gives points for neighboring tiles with road segment, if there's a neighboring tile with a bridge, it is counted as a neighboring tile with a road segment when scoring the watchtower.But we still do not have the answer to our question. Another clue on WICA would be:QuoteScoring bonuses and actions affecting locally printed roads on a tile by proximity (the feature must be on the road) or connectivity (the feature must be connected to the road) will not affect bridges passing over the tile automaticallyWatchtowers are not mentioned there, but I think I'd apply this.Meepledrone, what do you think? If that's correct, then maybe it'd be useful to add watchtowers to the list of bonus considered by this note Yes, I know that is not exacly the answer of your question but, I don't understand your doubt. For scoring a watchtower you must to be ON the tile. A bridge ON the watchtower tile= you are ON the tile = you score the watchtower. It' the same like little buildings... You are ON the tile to score the bonus... SAME I think there's no doubt... Scoring bonuses of printed roads is another thing very different... You must to be connected to the road... It's not the case...Enviado desde St. Meeple HospitalThe rules for Watchtowers state: When a completed road or a city contains a tile which features a watchtower, and there is a meeple on the feature (city, road) on that tile, the watchtower is scored first. The completed road or city is scored afterwards. [1] [2]This does not apply to farmers. Farmers do not trigger scoring for watchtowers.So, although it feels odd to me since all the other features are physically connected to the Watchtower, I think you are right after all. That connectivity is not required by the rules. And a bridge on a tile can be considered as a road on the tile.So, I agree with Dr. Meeple, I think the answer is indeed 'yes'.
Quote from: corinthiens13 on December 22, 2020, 11:16:43 PMQuote from: DrMeeple on December 22, 2020, 10:27:59 PMQuote from: Carcassonne93 on December 22, 2020, 05:19:28 PMA meeple placed on a bridge that is placed on a watchtower tile should receive the watchtower bonus when the road with the bridge will be completed?You can read on WICA the answer: ‘The Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridge’The anwer is YESPD: Read WICA Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI think you're misinterpreting WICA.The question here is:I have a meeple on a bridge, a watchtower is under that bridge. When the road is scored, will my meeple on the bridge get the watchtower bonus?The quote from WICAQuoteThe Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridgemeans:I have a meeple scoring a watchtower (so the meeple is on a city or road segment on a watchtower tile, not on a bridge), the watchtower gives points for neighboring tiles with road segment, if there's a neighboring tile with a bridge, it is counted as a neighboring tile with a road segment when scoring the watchtower.But we still do not have the answer to our question. Another clue on WICA would be:QuoteScoring bonuses and actions affecting locally printed roads on a tile by proximity (the feature must be on the road) or connectivity (the feature must be connected to the road) will not affect bridges passing over the tile automaticallyWatchtowers are not mentioned there, but I think I'd apply this.Meepledrone, what do you think? If that's correct, then maybe it'd be useful to add watchtowers to the list of bonus considered by this note Yes, I know that is not exacly the answer of your question but, I don't understand your doubt. For scoring a watchtower you must to be ON the tile. A bridge ON the watchtower tile= you are ON the tile = you score the watchtower. It' the same like little buildings... You are ON the tile to score the bonus... SAME I think there's no doubt... Scoring bonuses of printed roads is another thing very different... You must to be connected to the road... It's not the case...Enviado desde St. Meeple Hospital
Quote from: DrMeeple on December 22, 2020, 10:27:59 PMQuote from: Carcassonne93 on December 22, 2020, 05:19:28 PMA meeple placed on a bridge that is placed on a watchtower tile should receive the watchtower bonus when the road with the bridge will be completed?You can read on WICA the answer: ‘The Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridge’The anwer is YESPD: Read WICA Sent from my iPad using TapatalkI think you're misinterpreting WICA.The question here is:I have a meeple on a bridge, a watchtower is under that bridge. When the road is scored, will my meeple on the bridge get the watchtower bonus?The quote from WICAQuoteThe Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridgemeans:I have a meeple scoring a watchtower (so the meeple is on a city or road segment on a watchtower tile, not on a bridge), the watchtower gives points for neighboring tiles with road segment, if there's a neighboring tile with a bridge, it is counted as a neighboring tile with a road segment when scoring the watchtower.But we still do not have the answer to our question. Another clue on WICA would be:QuoteScoring bonuses and actions affecting locally printed roads on a tile by proximity (the feature must be on the road) or connectivity (the feature must be connected to the road) will not affect bridges passing over the tile automaticallyWatchtowers are not mentioned there, but I think I'd apply this.Meepledrone, what do you think? If that's correct, then maybe it'd be useful to add watchtowers to the list of bonus considered by this note
Quote from: Carcassonne93 on December 22, 2020, 05:19:28 PMA meeple placed on a bridge that is placed on a watchtower tile should receive the watchtower bonus when the road with the bridge will be completed?You can read on WICA the answer: ‘The Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridge’The anwer is YESPD: Read WICA Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
A meeple placed on a bridge that is placed on a watchtower tile should receive the watchtower bonus when the road with the bridge will be completed?
The Watchtowers: A watchtower scoring for neighboring tiles with road segments will also consider tiles with a bridge
Scoring bonuses and actions affecting locally printed roads on a tile by proximity (the feature must be on the road) or connectivity (the feature must be connected to the road) will not affect bridges passing over the tile automatically
Quote from: DrMeeple on December 22, 2020, 11:45:48 PMYes, I know that is not exacly the answer of your question but, I don't understand your doubt. For scoring a watchtower you must to be ON the tile. A bridge ON the watchtower tile= you are ON the tile = you score the watchtower. It' the same like little buildings... You are ON the tile to score the bonus... SAME I think there's no doubt... Scoring bonuses of printed roads is another thing very different... You must to be connected to the road... It's not the case...Only, the rules do not say you have to be on the tile, it says you have to be "on the feature (city, road) on that tile". That's more specific, so I think the question is legitimate.Little buildings is part of the "Scoring bonuses and actions affecting a tile" (see below), and so it do also affect a bridge placed on that tile.But the watchtower do not affect the tile, it affects "the feature (city or road) on that tile". So I'm not sure how to consider it with bridges. Should we consider a bridge as "the feature on that tile" or not?Note that the rule say the feature on that tile, not a feature on that tile, and that may be significant...WICA clearly make a differentiation between:QuoteScoring modifiers, scoring bonuses and actions affecting a road network will also affect a bridge connected to it:Inns (Exp. 1 - Inns & Cathedrals)Mage (Mini #5 - Mage and Witch)Witch (Mini #5 - Mage and Witch)Solovei Razboynik actions (Russian Promos)German castles (Castles in Germany)German cathedrals (Cathedrals in Germany)Bathhouses (The Barber-Surgeons)Labyrinth bonus (The Labyrinths)Wainwrights quarter bonus (The Markets of Leipzig)Scoring bonuses and actions affecting a tile will also affect a bridge placed on that tile:Dragon eating figures (Exp. 3 - The Princess and the Dragon)Fairy protection (Exp. 3 - The Princess and the Dragon)Gold pieces (Mini #4 - The Goldmines)Little buildings (Little Buildings)Vodyanoy action (Russian Promos)Scoring bonuses and actions affecting locally printed roads on a tile by proximity (the feature must be on the road) or connectivity (the feature must be connected to the road) will not affect bridges passing over the tile automatically:Inns (Exp. 1 - Inns & Cathedrals)German castles (Castles in Germany)Features considered by tollhouses (The Tollkeepers)Solovei Razboynik action (Russian Promos)To me it seems more logical to interpret the watchtowers to be part of the third category, but I may be wrong...
Great debate being had here!Seems like the clearest Watchtower rules were at the start: "You can combine it with other expansions - but at your own risk."
Quote from: Decar on December 23, 2020, 11:33:05 AMGreat debate being had here!Seems like the clearest Watchtower rules were at the start: "You can combine it with other expansions - but at your own risk." That's true ! )Anyway, a clarification on WICA'd be helpful (whether it follows one point of view or another, at least we can refer to it).
[248.] A meeple placed on a bridge that is placed on a watchtower tile should receive the watchtower bonus when the road with the bridge will be completed?
Im Übrigen gibt es neue Informationen zu dieser umgesetzten Erweiterung. HiG hatte die Graphiken mit den Wachtürmen an Doris Matthäus zur Bewertung weitergegeben. Sie fand diese sehr OK und da HiG auch das Regelwerk als in Ordnung befunden hat, wird es hier demnächst einen abschließenden Download-Link geben.Wie wir sehen können, nimmt HiG die Umsetzungsproblematik sehr ernst.
By the way, there is new information about this converted expansion. HiG had given the graphics with the watchtowers to Doris Matthäus for evaluation. She found them very OK and since HiG also found the rulebook to be OK, there will be a final download link here soon.As we can see, HiG takes the implementation issue very seriously.
Hi,Thanks Meepledrone for your research and explanation. This seems convincing, so a watchtower is affecting any meeple on a whole tile except farmers.It'd be nice to add a note about this in Watchtower's WICA page, as well as on Bridge, castle and bazar's WICA page (just add Watchtower to the already existing list of bonuses affecting a whole tile).
Quote from: corinthiens13 on December 27, 2020, 11:43:45 AMHi,Thanks Meepledrone for your research and explanation. This seems convincing, so a watchtower is affecting any meeple on a whole tile except farmers.It'd be nice to add a note about this in Watchtower's WICA page, as well as on Bridge, castle and bazar's WICA page (just add Watchtower to the already existing list of bonuses affecting a whole tile).Your welcome!Updates done to the following pages: * Watchtowers page: clarifications on bridges, and also about other features on adjacent tiles* Exp. 8 - BC&B: clarification on watchtowers affecting the whole tileHave fun!
The fan-version rules also indicate that monks, the same as farmers, cannot trigger the scoring of a watchtower. In general terms, this would affect all monastic buildings.At a certain point during the development of the conversion there was a discussion about it. So PresetM wanted to rule out the any monastery on an adjacent tile as a possible trigger.
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Updates done to the following pages: * Watchtowers page: clarifications on bridges, and also about other features on adjacent tiles* Exp. 8 - BC&B: clarification on watchtowers affecting the whole tileHave fun!
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