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Title: Carcassonne Maps - Germany - Error or exception in rules?
Post by: Meepledrone on March 29, 2019, 02:37:00 PM
Hi guys!

I just added a page to WICA with a translation of the rules into English.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany)

While translating the rules I spotted a possible error in the rules regarding the scoring of monasteries on the border of the map. Check footnote #2 covering this possible error in Example #4 about Scoring.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany#cite_note-2 (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany#cite_note-2)

Is this en error or an exception for monasteries compared with roads and cities?

Your feedback is welcome.

Cheers!

PS: I just asked Cundco.de about this. Hope to have some news soon.
Title: Re: Carcassonne Maps - Germany - Error or exception in rules?
Post by: supertopix on March 30, 2019, 03:35:15 AM
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Title: Re: Carcassonne Maps - Germany - Error or exception in rules?
Post by: Meepledrone on March 30, 2019, 04:21:47 AM
Hi there!

I share with you the questions I sent to Cundco.de.

Please see the the image attached with 3 examples from the manual online:
* Example 1 (top) - A road containing a segment abroad: The segment abroad (normally with one or more coats of arms) is counted as an additional tile when scoring the road.
* Example 2 (middle) - A city with a segment abroad (printed city segment): The printed city segment is counted as one additional tile when scoring the city.
* Example 3 (bottom) - A monastery on a border of the country. There are two issues here (marked in red in the first image attached):
- Issue #1: The monastery is supposed to be completed in the example (so it is scored), but there is an unoccupied printed space top left from the monastery tile with no land tile. So the example is scoring an uncompleted monastery instead.
- Issue #2: The monastery has adjacent tiles and a diagonally adjacent printed city segment (bottom left). The latter segment is not counted as a tile in the example included in the rules to my surprise.

So regarding these two issues, my question are:
[Q1]: Regarding the completeness of the monastery in the example:
Is the example incorrect in assume the monastery is completed?
[Q2]: Regarding scoring of the monastery in the example (no matter if it is completed or uncompleted):
a) Is the example in the manual correct and it is an exception (the monastery has only 3 adjacent tiles) compared to roads and cities?
b) Is the example in the manual mistaken and the monastery actually has 4 adjacent tiles (one being the printed segment)?

Additionally, I sent another question with a variation on Example #3 where the some city tiles have been replaced by road tiles (Please check the second image attached.) In this case, the city segment abroad is replaced by a road segment abroad (adjacent to monastery, lower left.)
[Q3]: Is this road segment considered for the monastery scoring as it would happen for roads?

Cheers!
Title: Re: Carcassonne Maps - Germany - Error or exception in rules?
Post by: Meepledrone on April 03, 2019, 12:41:02 PM
Hi all,

I got a response from Cundco.de this morning.

Just as a reminder:
- Issue #1: The monastery is supposed to be completed in the example (so it is scored), but there is an unoccupied printed space top left from the monastery tile with no land tile. So the example is scoring an uncompleted monastery instead.
- Issue #2: The monastery has adjacent tiles and a diagonally adjacent printed city segment (bottom left). The latter segment is not counted as a tile in the example included in the rules to my surprise.

Here you are the reply from Cundco.de. It was in English:

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Hello,

thank you for your email. regarding issue#1 you are right. Thanks for the hint. There must be another tile diagonally and the score should then be 5 for 5 tiles. We will update the rules here, sorry.

Regarding issue#2 the rules are right. For the monastery only the tiles count as normally. The printed city segment abroad doesn’t count in this case.

Best regards
Andreas Kramer
Carcassonne & Co GmbH
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As a result, the German rules available at Cundco.de have been updated too.

Regarding Issue #2, this means that printed tiles containing city and road segments abroad are not taken into consideration when scoring a monastery. Therefore, monastery scoring only takes into consideration:
  • Regular land tiles, as per the normal rules
  • Printed big city tiles adjacent to the monastery tile

Thus monasteries on the border of the map score in a different way than roads and cities on the border of the map: Roads an cities consider segments abroad whereas monasteries don't.

I updated WICA to reflect all this.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany)

Footnotes #2 and #3 explain all this for future readers.

Cheers!
Title: Re: Carcassonne Maps - Germany - Error or exception in rules?
Post by: Meepledrone on April 12, 2019, 11:17:10 AM
The rules on WICA are now based on the English rules just released by Cundco.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany)

BTW, the rules by Cundco use "emblems" instead of "coats of arms". Has anyone seen this on any other New Edition rules?

Title: Re: Carcassonne Maps - Germany - Error or exception in rules?
Post by: DrMeeple on April 14, 2019, 03:35:21 AM
The rules on WICA are now based on the English rules just released by Cundco.

http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany (http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/Carcassonne_Maps_-_Germany)

BTW, the rules by Cundco use "emblems" instead of "coats of arms". Has anyone seen this on any other New Edition rules?

No, I didn't see this in other new edition rules...
Title: Re: Carcassonne Maps - Germany - Error or exception in rules?
Post by: Sinscerly on April 15, 2019, 04:18:10 AM
BTW, the rules by Cundco use "emblems" instead of "coats of arms". Has anyone seen this on any other New Edition rules?

Nope, not that my eye felt on. I hope they made a mistake, as "coats of arms" sounds so much cooler in my head then "emblem"