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Title: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 16, 2017, 08:12:53 AM
I've created a small landscape with 9 landscape tiles. The tiles are placed according the rules, but the start tile is not a necessary component of this landscape. Each tile is different.
The tile list at HiG will help you - new Edition: CCII-base game - tiles (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/fileadmin/data_archive/Downloads/CarcBasis_II_D_Plaettchenliste.pdf) . The small pictures onto the tiles like farm, garden, etc. have no effect.
You can also look at the tile list for the classical edition
CCI-base game - tiles (http://www.hans-im-glueck.de/fileadmin/data_archive/Downloads/CarcKartenliste1_9_Minis.pdf).

This is the following riddle: Which tiles I have choosen and how I placed them for the 9 tile landscape?

There are 3 rows (1, 2, 3) and 3 columns (A, B, c)

example:
If the start tile is placed in the middle of my mini landscape (name of the tile "D") , then it has the position: 2B (2.row and column B).

I had a small riddle at CarcF - you can look at it as an example.
https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=221&t=3772&start=15 (https://www.carcassonne-forum.de/viewtopic.php?f=221&t=3772&start=15)


This time I will use some meeple:
green   :green-meeple: - right tile - in correct row, column and orientation
red  :red-meeple: - wrong tile
violet    :violet-meeple: - right tile - wrong column and wrong row
blue  :blue-meeple: - right tile - in correct column
yellow    :yellow-meeple: - right tile - in correct row
black  :black1-meeple: - right tile in correct orientation
orange   :orange-meeple: - right tile in wrong orientation

Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: ny1050220 on June 16, 2017, 08:57:43 AM
green   :green-meeple: - right tile - in correct row, column and position
red  :red-meeple: - wrong tile
violet    :violet-meeple: - right tile - wrong column and wrong row
blue  :blue-meeple: - right tile - in correct column
yellow    :yellow-meeple: - right tile - in correct row
black  :black1-meeple: - right tile in correct position
orange   :orange-meeple: - right tile in wrong position

Would you clarify the meaning of the colours, please?
"Green: right tile, correct row, column, and position." I think position implies both row and column. Do you mean orientation instead?
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Decar on June 16, 2017, 08:59:02 AM
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.CFC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Cc+.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.Ccc.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.LR.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RCr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RrC.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.RrC.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RRR.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CcRr.jpg)
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 16, 2017, 09:01:39 AM
green   :green-meeple: - right tile - in correct row, column and position
red  :red-meeple: - wrong tile
violet    :violet-meeple: - right tile - wrong column and wrong row
blue  :blue-meeple: - right tile - in correct column
yellow    :yellow-meeple: - right tile - in correct row
black  :black1-meeple: - right tile in correct position
orange   :orange-meeple: - right tile in wrong position

Would you clarify the meaning of the colours, please?
"Green: right tile, correct row, column, and position." I think position implies both row and column. Do you mean orientation instead?
yes the orientation
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 16, 2017, 09:15:51 AM
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.CFC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Cc+.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.Ccc.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.LR.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RCr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RrC.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.RrC.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RRR.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CcRr.jpg)
Decar - 2 tiles are double in your suggestion. You have used the tile (name) "K" twice.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Decar on June 16, 2017, 09:18:32 AM
Sorry missed that rule:

(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.CFC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Cc+.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.Ccc.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.LR.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RCr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RrC.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.C.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Rr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CcRr.jpg)
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 16, 2017, 09:43:14 AM
Sorry missed that rule:

(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.CFC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Cc+.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.Ccc.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.LR.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RCr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/RrC.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.C.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Rr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CcRr.jpg)
some tiles have more than only one meeple (example  :orange-meeple: +  :blue-meeple:) - but I don't tell all information...
column A: 2  :red-meeple: and 1  :orange-meeple: with  :blue-meeple:
column B and C: 3 :orange-meeple:
row 1: 2 :blue-meeple:
column B and C : 1  :yellow-meeple: and 1  :violet-meeple:
row 3: 1 :blue-meeple:
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Just a Bill on June 16, 2017, 10:48:57 AM
I don't understand what you are asking us to do ... just put nine tiles from the base game in a legal formation?

I guess I can't find the constraints or requirements that would tell me what my grid of nine tiles has to conform to.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 16, 2017, 01:04:30 PM
I don't understand what you are asking us to do ... just put nine tiles from the base game in a legal formation?
The base game has 72 tiles total - but there are only 24 tiles which are different.
The landscape has 9 different tiles (3x3tiles) - placement like the regular Carcassonne rules.
I guess I can't find the constraints or requirements that would tell me what my grid of nine tiles has to conform to.
I don't understand what you are asking here.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Just a Bill on June 16, 2017, 04:11:45 PM
The base game has 72 tiles total - but there are only 24 tiles which are different.

Understood, but that still leaves thousands of combinations. Here's one:

(https://s20.postimg.cc/3qbjc14tp/9_Different_Tiles400.png)

Is that all I need to do?

I don't understand what you are asking here.

What I mean is, there must be more to the puzzle than just fitting nine different tiles together. I did that, but it was super-easy.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Squiffything on June 16, 2017, 09:38:04 PM
I could be wrong but have you ever played the game mastermind? This seems to be a carcassonne version. 9 tiles are placed, you have to work out the landscape chosen by the challenger from the meeples awarded to your guess. So if from your 9 tiles 6 were correct, the meeples would show this. You'd then have another guess replacing the wrong three and switching order of the correct 6 until you match the answer.

If I'm wrong that'd be a great new game! ;)
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 17, 2017, 12:00:29 AM
I could be wrong but have you ever played the game mastermind? This seems to be a carcassonne version. 9 tiles are placed, you have to work out the landscape chosen by the challenger from the meeples awarded to your guess. So if from your 9 tiles 6 were correct, the meeples would show this. You'd then have another guess replacing the wrong three and switching order of the correct 6 until you match the answer.

If I'm wrong that'd be a great new game! ;)
Hi Squiffything,
you are right - it is a new game for Carcassonne MasterMind.
We played Carcassonne-MasterMind last year here at CarcassonneCentral (CarcC).
Last time we had one row of 4 landscape tiles - placed according to the rules and used the colouring meeples for the answers for the guesses.
Here you can find some example games:
Carcassonne-Winter-MasterMind - rules (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2072.0)
Carcassonne-MasterMind - rules (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2045.0)

Game Carcassonne-Mastermind Rosco-kettlefish (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2099.0)
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 17, 2017, 12:04:18 AM
(https://s20.postimg.cc/3qbjc14tp/9_Different_Tiles400.png)

row 2+3: 3  :red-meeple:
row 1: 1 :red-meeple: and 2 :orange-meeple: and 1 :violet-meeple: and 1 :yellow-meeple:
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Decar on June 17, 2017, 02:14:30 AM
Got to be honest, I have no idea what's going on, even though I should, so here are my adjustments:

(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.CFC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CFc+.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Cc+.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.C.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.CccR+.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.CRr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/CcRr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/CRRR.jpg)
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 17, 2017, 05:17:08 AM
Got to be honest, I have no idea what's going on, even though I should, so here are my adjustments:

(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.CFC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CFc+.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.Cc+.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.C.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/180_.CC.2.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/270_.CccR+.jpg)
(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/90_.CRr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/CcRr.jpg)(http://www.tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/CRRR.jpg)
column A: 3  :red-meeple:
column B and C: 1 :red-meeple: and 1 :orange-meeple: and 1 :violet-meeple:  and 1 :black1-meeple:
row 1 and 2: 2  :red-meeple: and 1 :orange-meeple:
row 3: 1 :red-meeple: and 2 :black1-meeple: and 1 :violet-meeple: and 1 :yellow-meeple:
row 2: 1  :blue-meeple:
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: wolnic on June 17, 2017, 06:25:01 AM
Sorry for small size - this was just quickly put together. I'll do a better quality one later.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Just a Bill on June 17, 2017, 06:34:54 AM
have you ever played the game mastermind? This seems to be a carcassonne version.

Ah, thank you for clearing that up. I'm new here and had no idea this was Mastermind.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 17, 2017, 06:59:56 AM
Sorry for small size - this was just quickly put together. I'll do a better quality one later.
Hi wolnic, the size is fine for me. I can see all the information what are necessary.

row 2: 3 :red-meeple:
column B: 2 :red-meeple: and 1  :violet-meeple: and 1 :orange-meeple:
row 1: 1 :red-meeple: and 2  :orange-meeple: and 1 :violet-meeple: and 1 :blue-meeple:
row 3: 2  :orange-meeple: and 2 :violet-meeple: and 1 :blue-meeple: and 1 :yellow-meeple: and 1 :black1-meeple:
column C: 1 :red-meeple: and 1 :blue-meeple: and 1 :black1-meeple: and 1 :violet-meeple: and 1 :orange-meeple:
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: wolnic on June 17, 2017, 01:05:49 PM
Better quality this time. If all the tiles are in the right positions, but the whole block of 9 has been rotated 90degrees from your layout would that be a correct solution?
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 17, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
Better quality this time. If all the tiles are in the right positions, but the whole block of 9 has been rotated 90degrees from your layout would that be a correct solution?
Hi wolnic,
I will answer your question with the following attachment. I use your last guess. If this would be the riddle from the master of MasterMind (in the dark red frame) then you can see the guesses in the next 3 pictures what happens with the tiles and the result.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 17, 2017, 10:28:37 PM
Better quality this time.

row 2 and 3: 2 :orange-meeple: and 2 :blue-meeple: and 1 :black1-meeple:
column B: 3 :orange-meeple: and 2 :blue-meeple: and 1  :violet-meeple:
column A: 2 :violet-meeple: and 2 :black1-meeple: and 1 :blue-meeple: and 1 :orange-meeple:
colum C: 1  :orange-meeple: and 1 :blue-meeple: and 1 :black1-meeple: and 1 :yellow-meeple: and 1 :red-meeple:
row 2: 1 :yellow-meeple:
row 3: 1 :violet-meeple:
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 19, 2017, 01:09:52 PM
No more guesses?
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: wolnic on June 19, 2017, 04:10:15 PM
Sorry, not had time to analyse the last set of results ... and I thought I had identified the nine tiles ... must check my logic from the first three guesses
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: wolnic on June 20, 2017, 04:41:03 PM
Turns out I hadn't analysed Decar's first attempt ... Here's my third attempt.

No one else interested in trying to solve this?
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Decar on June 21, 2017, 02:50:15 AM
If it helps people are welcome to use the graphics from this page (http://tehill.net/carcassonne/tiles/files.php).

You can click the image you want to get the URL you need to copy into the IMG tags here.
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: kettlefish on June 21, 2017, 04:03:22 AM
Turns out I hadn't analysed Decar's first attempt ... Here's my third attempt.

No one else interested in trying to solve this?
Gratulations to you wolnic - you have solved this riddle.

Here is the result:
9  :green-meeple:
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: oosie on June 21, 2017, 04:37:22 AM
Congrats wolnic!

Even though I only started looking at this since yesterday, the idea of a puzzle like this is fun!  :(y)
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: oosie on June 21, 2017, 04:39:45 AM
Just a Bill,

What tool did you use for this?

(https://s20.postimg.cc/3qbjc14tp/9_Different_Tiles400.png)
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: wolnic on June 21, 2017, 05:07:38 AM
WOW! That was a bit sudden. Thought I might need a couple of more guesses. Having analysed the previous attempts I knew a few of the tiles were in specific columns, or rows, or had a specific orientation (but no more than one of these for any inidividual tile) and a few things that they weren't (eg one tile might still have two possible orientations). I then tried to make a 3x3 layout, confirmed that the tiles (where I knew some info) were still valid and came up with that last one! Thanks kettlefish! So, if there's another one, can someone match, or better, 6 turns?
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Decar on June 21, 2017, 08:46:16 AM
Well done Wolnic!
Title: Re: CC-Mini-Landscape 9-tiles
Post by: Just a Bill on June 21, 2017, 11:02:30 AM
What tool did you use for this?

I do all my work custom in Photoshop. Sorry, there's no ready-to-use app (that I know of) for getting everything the same size and adding nice bevels and drop shadows. I'm a bit obsessive, and so I tweak each tile to maximize its appearance. (This is why I didn't continue the riddle once I understood that it was Mastermind ... my method for making images is too time-consuming for this kind of contest.)