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Title: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Whaleyland on October 10, 2018, 02:59:32 PM
A new mini expansion has been announced just prior to Essen Spiel entitled Die Badehäuser (The Bathouses). It includes six tiles with two 3s, 4s, and 5s printed on flags above buildings. The watermark for the expansion is a wooden bucket. No other information is available at this time.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Christianmocking on October 10, 2018, 03:44:59 PM
Great!
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Willem on October 10, 2018, 09:11:27 PM
That is some nice news! I didn't know there was a new mini expansion on its way!
Die Badehäuser means 'The Bath house's, and I think the wooden buckets make more sense with that to  ;D
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Whaleyland on October 11, 2018, 12:11:37 AM
That is some nice news! I didn't know there was a new mini expansion on its way!
Die Badehäuser means 'The Bath house's, and I think the wooden buckets make more sense with that to  ;D
That makes more sense. I was just copying Boardgamegeek's translation, which is clearly wrong.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on October 11, 2018, 12:17:43 AM
I've already updated BGG's description. Why on earth would they translate the title to include a /-mark because it means 2 things...both of which are wrong.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Piasekstc on October 11, 2018, 12:52:32 AM
Waiting for the rules because concept is rather clear and fun :) Finally there is a place for our dirty travelers, thieves, workers and soldiers... and probably for "dirty" monks as well :)   

There is one thing that bugs me though. When "red" bath houses with wells behind them looks really solid, others like sheds and specially tents with a lot of water in the middle of nowhere without a brook or a stream, looks a little bit strange to me.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: meepleater on October 11, 2018, 03:46:30 AM
Waiting for the rules because concept is rather clear and fun :) Finally there is a place for our dirty travelers, thieves, workers and soldiers... and probably for "dirty" monks as well :)   

There is one thing that bugs me though. When "red" bath houses with wells behind them looks really solid, others like sheds and specially tents with a lot of water in the middle of nowhere without a brook or a stream, looks a little bit strange to me.

Yeah no water source is a bit odd. But now you point it out I do like how the baths with more points (presumably) are the better constructed buildings.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on October 11, 2018, 05:10:38 AM
It looks like the 2s are low tech and the 5s are high tech.  Maybe there's an order they must be played in.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Piasekstc on October 11, 2018, 05:14:46 AM
Waiting for the rules because concept is rather clear and fun :) Finally there is a place for our dirty travelers, thieves, workers and soldiers... and probably for "dirty" monks as well :)   

There is one thing that bugs me though. When "red" bath houses with wells behind them looks really solid, others like sheds and specially tents with a lot of water in the middle of nowhere without a brook or a stream, looks a little bit strange to me.

Yeah no water source is a bit odd. But now you point it out I do like how the baths with more points (presumably) are the better constructed buildings.

True. I haven't noticed that.
Now, when I think about it, maybe points will depend on adjacent lake (next to inns) tiles or river tiles. In that case they can also work with fan expansions like The Wells or - despite salt water :) - The Coast :)

There is also one sad thing. The poor guy who will follow the road under the bridge will have to break up hill through the bushes to get his well deserved bath :) 
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: oosie on October 11, 2018, 06:20:29 AM
I see another Cundco order coming post Essen '18...  >:D
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: DaFees on October 11, 2018, 02:10:22 PM
I see another Cundco order coming post Essen '18...  >:D

You and me both. I just gotta figure out if I will be able to also get a "spare" grey Ringmaster!
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: supertopix on October 12, 2018, 04:12:19 AM
Ok!
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on October 15, 2018, 04:53:53 AM
I don't know who has leaked this pictures/Infos about this new Expansion for CCII...
but according to my information, this extension will be called "Carcassonne - Die Bader" -


SORRY my mistake - They are now officially called "Carcassonne - Die Badehäuser"

Thanks to Willem for the correction.

Source: HiG@Facebook

Best!
 :blue-meeple:
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Jéré on October 15, 2018, 08:25:52 AM
I don't know who has leaked this pictures/Infos about this new Expansion for CCII...
but according to my information, this extension will be called "Carcassonne - Die Bader"

Source: HiG (unofficial)

Best!
 :blue-meeple:

At least we agree it should be something bad... :)
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Willem on October 16, 2018, 07:20:59 AM
HiG have announced it on Facebook today.
https://www.facebook.com/237314407298/posts/10156830661582299/

And they're calling it Die Badehäuser after all  :P
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on October 16, 2018, 09:02:11 AM
@Willem

Thanks for reporting about this great news & for the correction  ;D

Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Willem on October 16, 2018, 09:40:02 AM
No worries, it popped up on my fb-feed  ;D
In the comments someone asked if there is a Spiel 18 tile and someone else (not HiG) replied saying there will be...
I'm still curious if there will be one, but I guess we'll have to wait until Spiel to confirm  :P
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on October 16, 2018, 04:05:41 PM
No worries, it popped up on my fb-feed  ;D
In the comments someone asked if there is a Spiel 18 tile and someone else (not HiG) replied saying there will be...
I'm still curious if there will be one, but I guess we'll have to wait until Spiel to confirm  :P

Some weeks ago, someone from CundCo told me via telephone that there will be a Spiel promo tile.
Hopefully this isn´t again a false information.
 :)
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: totor66 on October 17, 2018, 05:10:06 AM
wow this is serious Business !

Might be worth the 2 * 3h for a round trip :p

Some weeks ago, someone from CundCo told me via telephone that there will be a Spiel promo tile.
Hopefully this isn´t again a false information.
 :)

Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Willem on October 17, 2018, 08:38:46 AM
And now a new post for HiG has popped up on my fb-feed, with them (again) announcing the expansions, but now they do call it Die Bader.
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156832994437299&id=237314407298

So I guess in the end, everybody was right?
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on October 17, 2018, 11:45:02 AM
Since my source at CundCo / HiG had called me from the beginning the correct name of the carcassonne expansion, I assume that the info with the spiel promo card is also correct  ;)
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: LaPorxada (aka BigBoss) on October 22, 2018, 03:58:20 PM
These two new Mini-Expansions for CC II are availlable at cundco shop shortly after the Spiel '18 game fair in Essen.

1. Carcassonne - Die Bader / Carcassonne - The Barber-Surgeons
https://cundco.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/263/sCategory/12 (https://cundco.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/263/sCategory/12)

2. Carcassonne - Klöster in Deutschland II / Carcassonne - Monasteries of Germany
https://cundco.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/264/sCategory/35 (https://cundco.de/en/detail/index/sArticle/264/sCategory/35)

 :)

Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Willem on October 22, 2018, 11:14:20 PM
Nice! I'll definitely be ordering those next week!
Funny how they have translated the new expansion to the Barber-Surgeons, instead of the Bathhouses. But going on the description, it can make sense, as the houses were not only for baths  ;D
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Rhoobarb2005 on October 31, 2018, 03:12:58 PM
Available to buy now. Just ordered this and the German Cathedrals.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: robnhill on October 31, 2018, 09:28:14 PM
Any update with English rules?
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on November 01, 2018, 01:12:06 AM
I posted them on the spiel 18 thread.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: robnhill on November 01, 2018, 11:10:11 AM
I posted them on the spiel 18 thread.

Any chance of sharing the link ? I can't find the thread you're speaking of...
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: oosie on November 01, 2018, 11:46:26 AM
Decar posted 2 pictures of the rules in English in the Let the Madness Commence (again) (http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=4104.msg60269#msg60269) thread.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: MeepleFan on November 12, 2018, 05:48:43 PM
Hello everybody. I have a doubt with this expansion: Is it possible to rebuy your Meeple in another round different from your round? (for example, to avoid the Tower before being captured). Thank you.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Maj. Frost on November 12, 2018, 11:42:23 PM
I posted them on the spiel 18 thread.

Any chance of sharing the link ? I can't find the thread you're speaking of...

You can find rules here:
http://wikicarpedia.com/index.php/The_Barber-Surgeons
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Maj. Frost on November 12, 2018, 11:43:47 PM
Hello everybody. I have a doubt with this expansion: Is it possible to rebuy your Meeple in another round different from your round? (for example, to avoid the Tower before being captured). Thank you.

No, you cant. It is only possible in your turn.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: dronedrone on November 13, 2018, 01:21:16 AM
Question from a new member re the new 'Bathhouse expansion'

This is my first post, let's hope it's not my last...

I am struggling to understand the rules relating to the effect of the new Barber-Surgeons tiles (hope you don't mind if I abbreviate this to BS for the rest of my message  ;-)).

My understanding is as follows:

Once the first BS tile is placed, if a feature occupied by a single meeple* is completed, the feature is scored and the scoring meeple is placed, lying down, in the bathhouse.

If after the first BS tile is placed, I deliberately complete a feature (city, road or monastery) occupied by an opponent's single meeple, they take their score for their feature and have to move their meeple into the bathhouse on the BS tile, laying the meeple on its side.

If I complete one of my features, occupied by a single meeple, with a BS tile, my meeple is off to the bathhouse.   If two 'single meeple' features are completed by my tile placement, one of mine and one of my opponent's, I can consign my opponent's single meeple to the bathhouse before mine.   If there are no other vacant bathhouses, my meeple is returned to my supply so I avoid the mucky meeple magnet...

Does placing a barn result in a visit to the bath house for any single meeple occupying a field as a farmer?   If so, does the player placing the barn get to choose the order in which lone farmers in separate fields get an early bath?

* It would be helpful to understand what is meant by a 'single meeple'

Does the term include the following: a regular meeple, the large meeple, the Mayor, the Phantom, the Abbot and the Ringmaster?

If, on completion, a feature is occupied by a single meeple and a builder what happens to the meeple?

Thanks
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Meepledrone on November 13, 2018, 01:48:20 PM
Hi dronedrone,

Some interesting questions you have here. See my comments below.

Question from a new member re the new 'Bathhouse expansion'

This is my first post, let's hope it's not my last...

Welcome to CarcC! Enjoy your experience on the forums.

BTW, I already got comments about us being cousins.  ;D

I am struggling to understand the rules relating to the effect of the new Barber-Surgeons tiles (hope you don't mind if I abbreviate this to BS for the rest of my message  ;-)).

My understanding is as follows:

Once the first BS tile is placed, if a feature occupied by a single meeple* is completed, the feature is scored and the scoring meeple is placed, lying down, in the bathhouse.

If after the first BS tile is placed, I deliberately complete a feature (city, road or monastery) occupied by an opponent's single meeple, they take their score for their feature and have to move their meeple into the bathhouse on the BS tile, laying the meeple on its side.

If I complete one of my features, occupied by a single meeple, with a BS tile, my meeple is off to the bathhouse.   If two 'single meeple' features are completed by my tile placement, one of mine and one of my opponent's, I can consign my opponent's single meeple to the bathhouse before mine.   If there are no other vacant bathhouses, my meeple is returned to my supply so I avoid the mucky meeple magnet...

Your understanding is correct.

Does placing a barn result in a visit to the bath house for any single meeple occupying a field as a farmer? 

This would be a correct interpretation of the rules but expect no official confirmation from HiG. The Barber-Surgeons comes with The Disclaimer ("You can play The Barber-Surgeons along with other expansions as well; however there will be no official rules for these combinations.") So this is unchartered territory here.

If so, does the player placing the barn get to choose the order in which lone farmers in separate fields get an early bath?

Are you talking here of a scenario when connecting several 'single-meeple' farms to another one with a barn? If so, as there are more than one meeple involved in the scoring, they would go directly the players' supply.

* It would be helpful to understand what is meant by a 'single meeple'

Does the term include the following: a regular meeple, the large meeple, the Mayor, the Phantom, the Abbot and the Ringmaster?

That would be correct as a generalization of the expansion rules. Remember that, as per The Disclaimer, the rules were designed initially for regular meeples. So again, no official confirmation to ease your mind ;)

If, on completion, a feature is occupied by a single meeple and a builder what happens to the meeple?

Thanks

The builder is not a meeple but a special figure, so it should not be taken into account.

You can find here a full discussion  covering what a meeple is and what is not, just in case.

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3384.0

Cheers!
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: dronedrone on November 14, 2018, 05:06:23 AM
Hi - thanks for your informative reply

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Are you talking here of a scenario when connecting several 'single-meeple' farms to another one with a barn? If so, as there are more than one meeple involved in the scoring, they would go directly the players' supply.

Oops!   You've made me realise I would have raised some eyebrows if I had tried this.   I have not used a barn yet and had thought that they impacted all fields rather than just the one they were on.   Thanks for the correction.

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The builder is not a meeple but a special figure, so it should not be taken into account.

I did know this but my literal mind said "a meeple with a builder is two things...and the rules say 'single', maybe they were in a relationship, who knows?"   The light is slowly dawning.

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You can find here a full discussion  covering what a meeple is and what is not, just in case.

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=3384.0

Thanks for the link - aaargh! my brain can't cope, thank goodness for the 'hive mind'   :)
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: MeepleFan on November 14, 2018, 09:43:41 AM
Thank you for all your replies ;D
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: MeepleFan on November 15, 2018, 06:56:18 PM
Another question: could be possible to place a tile, as consequence complete a city / road ... and place the Meeple in the bathhouse, pay the points, recover the Meeple, and use it in the tile, everything in the same round?
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Meepledrone on November 16, 2018, 11:18:34 AM
Another question: could be possible to place a tile, as consequence complete a city / road ... and place the Meeple in the bathhouse, pay the points, recover the Meeple, and use it in the tile, everything in the same round?

Hi Meeplefan,

This is not allowed because you move the the Meeple to a bathhouse after Scoring (Phase #3), and, as per the rules, you can only buy you Meeple back from a Bathhouse right after placing a tile (Phase #1) and then you are allowed to place it right away in Phase #2 (Placing a Meeple) in the same turn.

Therefore, after moving a Meeple to a bathhouse, you will only be able to get it back and place it in a later turn... Unless, of course, you have a double turn thanks to the Builder or a Dispatch, but this is another story.

Cheers!
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: MeepleFan on November 16, 2018, 05:31:02 PM
Understood!

Thank you very much Meepledrone.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: robnhill on November 16, 2018, 09:12:07 PM
Hi dronedrone... can you please explain further what you mean by this:

"If two 'single meeple' features are completed by my tile placement, one of mine and one of my opponent's, I can consign my opponent's single meeple to the bathhouse before mine.   If there are no other vacant bathhouses, my meeple is returned to my supply so I avoid the mucky meeple magnet..."

What do you mean by two single meeple features?

I thought if a bathhouse was on a city, you had to complete the city for the meeple to go to the bathhouse? if it's on the road, you have to complete the road?

No?
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: dronedrone on November 17, 2018, 04:36:17 AM
Hi Robnhill - thanks for your question.

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What do you mean by two single meeple features?

I have had a bash at putting together a worked example of what I mean in the .pdf below.   I would ask that you and and anyone else working through my example recognise that this is my attempt to illustrate what I meant and is not meant to be an example of gold-standard, Carcassonne superstar gameplay.

Apologies also for the presentation as the Open Office software I used to re-size the ten photographs I had taken didn't always keep the tiles square even though I tried to keep the original aspect ratio.

Please let me know what you think...
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Piasekstc on November 18, 2018, 01:33:05 PM
Dronedrone,

I think that's correct. At least I understand rules like you :)
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: dronedrone on November 18, 2018, 01:49:53 PM
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I think that's correct. At least I understand rules like you

Thanks Piasekstc, that's good to know.   I find it fascinating that, what appears to be a simple concept, has so many nuances. and gives so many options.   I am looking forward to seeing these new tiles in action.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Piasekstc on November 19, 2018, 01:49:33 AM
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I think that's correct. At least I understand rules like you

Thanks Piasekstc, that's good to know.   I find it fascinating that, what appears to be a simple concept, has so many nuances. and gives so many options.   I am looking forward to seeing these new tiles in action.

Imagine now, how it will work when playing mega Carcassonne (like we do) :)
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: danisthirty on November 19, 2018, 04:04:04 AM
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I think that's correct. At least I understand rules like you

... I find it fascinating that, what appears to be a simple concept, has so many nuances ...

I think this is the trouble for HiG with a game that has so many expansions now. Clarifying all the interactions between expansions without breaking what's already known becomes almost impossible, hence their disclaimer that we've seen on a few of the more recent expansions explaining that that expansion is designed to be played with the basic game only and any other expansions included are played "at your own risk"! :o
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: aenima on November 19, 2018, 07:53:41 AM
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I think that's correct. At least I understand rules like you

... I find it fascinating that, what appears to be a simple concept, has so many nuances ...

I think this is the trouble for HiG with a game that has so many expansions now. Clarifying all the interactions between expansions without breaking what's already known becomes almost impossible, hence their disclaimer that we've seen on a few of the more recent expansions explaining that that expansion is designed to be played with the basic game only and any other expansions included are played "at your own risk"! :o

can we imagine making a petition to HIG? I'm serious! we could also involve the German forum ...
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: danisthirty on November 19, 2018, 08:00:22 AM
can we imagine making a petition to HIG? I'm serious! we could also involve the German forum ...

What would the desired outcome be? I don't think we can influence them over what any "official" rulings should be, and from what I've seen of previous attempts to help in this respect, they don't seem especially keen to have anyone help them either.

I think our best bet in this regard is with the wiki project that Maj. Frost and his violent gang of hooligans are working on. I haven't been particularly close to this, but I think the aim is to provide official clarifications where known, and other "home rulings" where helpful...
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: MeepleFan on November 19, 2018, 09:50:47 AM
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I think that's correct. At least I understand rules like you

... I find it fascinating that, what appears to be a simple concept, has so many nuances ...

I think this is the trouble for HiG with a game that has so many expansions now. Clarifying all the interactions between expansions without breaking what's already known becomes almost impossible, hence their disclaimer that we've seen on a few of the more recent expansions explaining that that expansion is designed to be played with the basic game only and any other expansions included are played "at your own risk"! :o

can we imagine making a petition to HIG? I'm serious! we could also involve the German forum ...

I agree! It would be very complicated but could worth it.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Willem on November 19, 2018, 11:28:42 AM
I agree with Dan, and don't think it would be worth it reaching out to HiG.
In the past, they have answered many, many of these questions regarding combining expansions, many of which Kettlefish has relayed to them.
From how I would see it, to answer all these questions, or to simply get rid of them, they have started putting the disclaimer on the new expansions. I highly doubt that they have it worked out how each combination of expansions work together, so in answering these questions, I think it depends on who answers and in what mood they are. So similarly to this forum, only when someone from HiG does it, it is 'official'.
I might be completely wrong, but this is the feel I get from seeing the many questions that HiG has answered in the past and the disclaimer on the recent releases.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: aenima on November 20, 2018, 12:42:36 AM
it's been months since I've asked Kettle to talk to Hig about the clarifications. aApparently, at least so it seems from the results of the last fanmeeting, Kettle and Hig have spent 3 hours talking about it ... so I imagine that a bit of collaboration on their part there was! But Kettle disappeared. I also tried to write them but he never replied to me ... Anyway, the problem remains: many questions without answers. I have the italian Carcopedia to update and you others the wiki page (and I apologize for my lack of participation in the project, but it would mean to translate everything again and I do not have enough time). So... What do we do? we dedicate a paragraph to each expansion calling it "unofficial interactions but that should be corrected because elaborated by forum users"?
I have no problem with this, but if we do so we have to create a new chapter in the forum and work on it.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on November 20, 2018, 01:12:11 AM
I agree! It would be very complicated but could worth it.

Not to HiG: 
Fans:  FIX the Rules
HiG: How much will it cost?
Fans: Probably 20 hours a quarter to fix up the rules. 
HiG: What will you do if we don't do it?
Fans: Continue buying your expansions?
HiG: So we game the same money if we don't waste time trying to fix things?

it's been months since I've asked Kettle to talk to Hig about the clarifications. aApparently, at least so it seems from the results of the last fanmeeting, Kettle and Hig have spent 3 hours talking about it ... so I imagine that a bit of collaboration on their part there was! But Kettle disappeared. I also tried to write them but he never replied to me ... Anyway, the problem remains: many questions without answers. I have the italian Carcopedia to update and you others the wiki page (and I apologize for my lack of participation in the project, but it would mean to translate everything again and I do not have enough time). So... What do we do? we dedicate a paragraph to each expansion calling it "unofficial interactions but that should be corrected because elaborated by forum users"?
I have no problem with this, but if we do so we have to create a new chapter in the forum and work on it.

Kettlefish is a she!
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: aenima on November 20, 2018, 01:20:19 AM
I see your point Decar, but you are always so negative about that... Have we (like a great comunity) evere try to do something about that? I think never...

ps. Yes, I know, she is a she! :D ...you know... my bad english

pps. have you read my messages?
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on November 20, 2018, 01:37:37 AM
Yes, I thought I replied to your last one, but perhaps I missed it!
I've not had much time to frequent here recently.
I get frustrated that the community think HiG must perform this action and perhaps that is why it comes across negatively.

In terms of HiG's clarifications, I think they have been very clear.
They will support the interaction of major expansions with other major expansions.
Mini-expansions will work with the basegame and may work with other expansions, but no rule clarifications will come from HiG, the user must accept this as a risk.

I've not had a response regarding the few questions we've had about issues within expansions.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: aenima on November 20, 2018, 02:51:01 AM
I do not understand why you should feel frustrated about this.
We all know very well that it is specifically written that there will be no official rules regarding the interactions of the new mini-expansions with everything else... it is well written in the official rules. So far it is clear.
But ... this is not a valid reason for not pushing someone to change their mind.
A law is a law, but it is also true that if a law is not good for the people, the people could not "strike" to change their feelings about that law.
now ... we're talking about a game, it's true. it's not a catastrophe!
but listen to my point of view ...
I, and I believe many players, love when things are written and regulated: I do not speak only of Carcassonne: how many times, when we play any game, there is a situation where we are forced to say: "ok, this thing is not written by no part! what do we do? do we do in this way or do it in another way? "... Then, in a future game, the same situation happens and we say:" ah, this thing has already happened to us! I do not remember ... we could do it like this or so... no, it was not like that! Oh well, then let's pretend this time that... ".
For me, the frustration lies in not having everything clear, not in having to necessarily ask for clarification.
Specifically speaking about the mini-expansions of Carcassonne: all of us love to change our games and put different expansions every time. This happens from the old edition. Over time the clarifications arrived and we were all happy every time they arrived. And that's exactly what kept us pushing and buying.
I think we could focus on this to be able to get what we want so much ... when I insisted, Kettle managed to get some results, but then it all vanished.
Now ... it's been a while now that I ask and ask about the clarifications ... I feel a bit alone in this, because Kettle is gone, you (Decar) you seem happy with the official rule that there will be no official rules . It seems that even Dan is more and more negative regard the strategies of the HIG and sees an excellent resource on the wiki page ... You are the pillars of this community! If you give up, all collapse!
Or we take the situation in hand: either we insist with HIG or we regulate ourselves in an "official" manner as "experts and old Carcassonne players".

anyway ... everything I've said is constructive. I have always had great respect for this community and for you moderators and always I will have, because you are my playmates and virtual friends who have always proved to be very good people. We "know each other" for many years now ... I love this forum, the game and all of you.  :-*
It is absolutely not my intention to argue and criticize anyone. If my tones seem strong, it's because I really care about this thing.  :)

ps. no Decar I recived no answer from you  ;)

pps. WOW... long post! I think I have never written so much here!  ;D
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on November 20, 2018, 03:06:25 AM
Oh that one PM - I see it now - incoming reply!

I do understand the frustration, but HiG have been very explicit.  They are a small company, with less than 10 full time employees.  If you want one of them spending time clarifying rules we will have less new expansions.  What would you rather and what would bring HiG and their licensed partners more money?

If I asked you to take 3 weeks off work to clarify some rules, would you wish to be reimbursed?
What if you couldn't take 3 weeks off work because you had no holiday?
What if you lost your real job because you spent too long clarifying rules?
These are the hard decisions HiG have to face.
The value of their product is not in their rule interactions.

As Carcassonne fans, you can strike! You can not purchase any more expansions until HiG fix their old ones.
But I know the majority of people won't do this.  This is the only way I see to financially insensitivize HiG to fix their rules.

HiG will not be providing clarifications outside of major expansions. It's up to the greater community to clarify these interactions.
HiG will have no part in it.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on November 20, 2018, 03:14:48 AM
It just dawned on me that an alternative to striking is to find another drug dealer and instigate a turf war between the two rival gangs.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: aenima on November 20, 2018, 03:24:20 AM
It just dawned on me that an alternative to striking is to find another drug dealer and instigate a turf war between the two rival gangs.

 ;D Right!

you're definitely right about everything! time is money! but it is also true that we have arrived at this point because now the expansions without explanations are many. If they had done each time a check for each previous expansion, I'm sure that in addition to the time to design, produce and print the product, they would have spent only 2 or 3 hours (maybe intensive) more work ... hours, these , which should be automatically monetized in the sale of a job well done.

you have another PM
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: aenima on November 20, 2018, 03:37:05 AM
I, and I believe many players, love when things are written and regulated: I do not speak only of Carcassonne: how many times, when we play any game, there is a situation where we are forced to say: "ok, this thing is not written by no part! what do we do? do we do in this way or do it in another way? "... Then, in a future game, the same situation happens and we say:" ah, this thing has already happened to us! I do not remember ... we could do it like this or so... no, it was not like that! Oh well, then let's pretend this time that... ".
For me, the frustration lies in not having everything clear, not in having to necessarily ask for clarification.

I have only a last think to say:
When what I have written happens, people usually contact the game producers. this is how the official FAQs are obtained. These are made by the producers of the game and enter or in later versions of the game or as a material to download for free. This is all free work but that is rewarded by the happiness of the fans that remain tied to that game... How long have we not got official FAQs?
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on November 20, 2018, 03:43:24 AM
Maybe!
I think the thing I find frustrating is people waiting for HiG to answer the questions.
For the most the community can (and does) draw out the points of contention without their input.
Things like the WICA and Carcopedia should just make those decisions clear and let players determine, how they want to proceed.

I'm pretty sure the CAR started by filling in the gaps, then seeking HiG to confirm, rather than waiting for HiG to simply answer them.

So long as the boundaries are clear the majority of players using them should be happy.

Every expansions means you have to look at the interactions of it with every other combination of expansions.
That's n! amount of work for each new release, it's not sustainable!
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: aenima on November 20, 2018, 03:55:42 AM
ok, so... can we open an official new tread in the forum menu like: "unofficial interaction rules for new expansions" ?
One side where we speack about them and another where the clear idea are well written.

It's just to fix them, then we put them clear in the Carcopedia, Wiki or CAR or...
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Decar on November 20, 2018, 04:38:46 AM
There is a whole board devoted to unofficial variants:

http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?board=22.0

We'll need Dan to create a subforum is necessary.
Title: Re: New Expansion: Die Badehäuser
Post by: Halfling on December 13, 2018, 02:40:11 AM
Played my first game with the bath houses on Tuesday. It is a very different dynamic that this expansion brings to the table. Consensus was a thumbs up from my lunch buddies. We also christened the spiel 18 and German Monasteries in the new art, but the bath houses definitely stole the show.