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Title: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Halfling on May 02, 2016, 02:32:54 AM
At Thirsty Meeples cafĂ© in Oxford, JT Atomico and Curt194 managed to play 8 different versions of Carcassonne.  This seems an impressive achievement, but it can and no doubt will be bettered.  I have come up with a quick list of 18 versions below that all belong to the Carcassonne family of games and I bet that I have missed a few others.  Is anyone in UK up for a marathon session and an attempt at bettering 8 versions?

I have no idea when/where etc.  just a gauge of interest at this stage.

Arc of the Covenant  *
Cardcassonne
Carcassonne    *
Carcassonne II
Gold Rush    *
Hunters and Gatherers    *
My First Carcassonne
New World
Over Hill and Dale
South Seas     *
Star Wars
The City
The Castle
The Dice Game
The Discovery      *
Travel Carcassonne
Wheel of Fortune     *
Winter Edition       *

I have the 8 asterisked versions.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: JT Atomico on May 02, 2016, 03:08:32 AM
This sounds great! I would definitely be up for being involved :)

I have all of the games and I would probably be able to host it at my office in London (which is where I play my Mega-Carcassonne games) if that would interest anyone?

There are a couple of other versions that we could count if we wanted to round it up to 20:

Carcassonne II demo version
Winter edition print & play version

Oh, and to celebrate the record we could play a game of the unofficial Adults Of Carcassonne drinking game!
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: jungleboy on May 02, 2016, 04:03:04 AM
This is a great idea! Wow, JT you have them all? Well, that makes it super easy, I thought the logistics of getting all the games in one place would be the biggest challenge. If it's in London, I'd love to be involved.

Some random thoughts:

- The Castle is a 2-player game. If you had more people (say 4 or 6) involved in the day, you'd need an extra copy or two of the Castle so that everyone could still get to play it and therefore be part of the record.

- I'm not sure the PnP winter edition needs to be included to be honest. Is it the same artwork and everything as the regular version? But Adults of Carcassonne at the end is a superb idea.

- With 20 games at 40 minutes per game, that would be 13 hrs 20 minutes with no breaks. At one hour per game, it would obviously be 20 hours. But even at 15-16 hours in total, that's pretty doable in a single day with an 8-9am start. My first Carcassonne and the demo version would obviously take less than 40 minutes so you could make up some time there. I have no idea about the dice and card game. Documenting scores, photographing etc would add a bit of time too.

- An overhead camera for a timelapse of each game would be brilliant.

- All players would have to read up on the games they're unfamiliar with so that there would be no time wasted on explaining rules.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: JT Atomico on May 02, 2016, 04:15:43 AM
This is a great idea! Wow, JT you have them all?
Yep :) http://www.carcassonnecentral.com/community/index.php?topic=2542.msg37541#msg37541

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- The Castle is a 2-player game. If you had more people (say 4 or 6) involved in the day, you'd need an extra copy or two of the Castle so that everyone could still get to play it and therefore be part of the record.
Depending on numbers, we could have some sort of rota so that people could move around between games. Even if we had 8 or 10 people interested we could work out some complicated system of moving people around!

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- I'm not sure the PnP winter edition needs to be included to be honest. Is it the same artwork and everything as the regular version?
The artwork is unique and was separately released by HiG, so I think it is official enough to count if we wanted.
(http://s32.postimg.cc/tb1g3kzfp/image.jpg)
I only have a copy printed on cardboard, but it looks ok.

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- An overhead camera for a timelapse of each game would be brilliant.
:(y) Yeah, we should definitely make sure to get good video, photographs and statistics of the day!
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: jungleboy on May 02, 2016, 04:39:29 AM
- I'm not sure the PnP winter edition needs to be included to be honest. Is it the same artwork and everything as the regular version?
The artwork is unique and was separately released by HiG, so I think it is official enough to count if we wanted.
(http://s32.postimg.cc/tb1g3kzfp/image.jpg)
I only have a copy printed on cardboard, but it looks ok.

OK, in that case I agree that it should be included.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Curt194 on May 02, 2016, 09:38:17 AM
I'm very much up for this! Had a lot of fun playing through the spin offs on Saturday and this sounds like great fun too.

I have Hunters and Gatherers, The discovery and Cardcassonne but it sounds like we are covered there anyway, but I can bring them as spares if need be.

A rota for the castle makes sense, we would also need to consider the castle with it being a max of four people (in case all the other games end up with 5 players in them).
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Paul on May 02, 2016, 10:58:51 AM
I like the idea a lot. Imagine this community setting all kind of records we'd be making a landmark!
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Halfling on May 02, 2016, 11:21:57 AM
Hi Paul,

Glad to hear that you like the idea.  I don't want this to detract from your recent World Record heroics in any way.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: SRBO on May 02, 2016, 11:38:59 AM
A page in the famous book entirely for carcassonne
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Decar on May 02, 2016, 01:40:45 PM
I think this is a really good idea, it would be nice for many members here at CarcC to meetup again and play through all these spin-offs together.  I would certainly be up for it!

I do have mixed feelings about holding the event in an office though.  I feel a very large part of the appeal of our meetups has been they have all taken place in public places.  Remember the local-gamers we met in Rugby last year?  And although we didn't have so much interaction with others on Saturday, because the table was booked.  I would have been happy to introduce the game to someone who wanted to know more.  Plus, being able to tell the guy who worked there I already knew how to play The Castle, did surprize him!

We also left a postive message to the larger gaming community, thanks to Twitter, when Thirsty Meeple replied: https://twitter.com/Carcassonne/status/726772006486740993

And this is just in the UK -  Remember Paul's recent 10k game was played with an audience watching at a local convention, again leaving a positive message about Carcassonne and Carcassonne Central.

For me, playing in an office makes the event feel a little exclusive; even if we advertise here and on Twitter I do not think our interaction with others would be the same.

These are just my opinions though and it's not to say I'm fully opposed and I think it's a very kind offer and it's great to have the location as an option to play at, especially if people think it's simpler to organize.

On two side notes: I know some of our other UK members are based in the Northern-half of the country.  I think they would like to try to organize an event so their travel is less arduous.  I believe we may have another event post-UK Expo , pre-Essen.

I have also been thinking about a 2-day event based in a hotel, which maybe good for something like this, a Carcassonne Central Convention perhaps!  People could come one day and play, then if they wished to play into the night they could easily stay or go home, gaming could continue the next day too.  Travel would be easier if people wanted to stay the night, but I've not started to investigate venues and I would probably look at doing this next year now.

Also, you may want to wait until AFTER Essen, when a new spinoff game will be announced!
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Paul on May 02, 2016, 01:47:33 PM
I definately agree with Decar. It should be held in a public place to attract an audience. It's a wonderful feeling even there was just regular people and no cameras or interviews.

Hi Paul,

Glad to hear that you like the idea.  I don't want this to detract from your recent World Record heroics in any way.

Quite the contrary. And if I was the spark I would only be honoured.

I'm seeking new records to attain but still undecided if it will be Carcassonne related.
  Two ideas of many are MegaDescent or MegaCatan.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Decar on May 02, 2016, 01:52:42 PM
I definately agree with Decar. It should be held in a public place to attract an audience. It's a wonderful feeling even there was just regular people and no cameras or interviews.

Imagine if a random person, having never played Carcassonne played all the spin-offs with us.  That would be a real achievement!
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: jungleboy on May 02, 2016, 01:57:43 PM
Maybe Draughts (http://www.draughtslondon.com), where Decar, Dan and I met for some games a few months ago, would host it for us, especially if there's a bit of cross-promotion involved. They're open from 10am-midnight on Saturdays which would give us a 14-hour window.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Paul on May 02, 2016, 01:58:53 PM
And imagine that random person being me. ;)
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: JT Atomico on May 02, 2016, 02:05:50 PM
Yeah, I'm fine with it being wherever. I only suggested that because it would be easy to organise. I'm not that keen on bringing all of my games somewhere public if the idea is to let random people join in (definitely made me nervous with all of my expansions in Rugby!), so we'd need some way to source them all.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Decar on May 02, 2016, 02:14:15 PM
Haha, you just reminded me of Rosco's famous quote:  "What do I collect when I've finished collecting everything?  Might as well start my second set"

I was actually really impressed with Thirsty Meeple's Spin Off Library.  I'd happily acquire a second set, of most things, if it meant to we could go travelling and not worry so much about damage.  I think The City & WoF are the hardest to find at the moment.  I'm sure we could find an extra Ark of the Covenant from somewhere.....
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Halfling on May 02, 2016, 11:27:52 PM
If mega participation is an aim of some people then an attempt at playing 20 versions simultaneously would also be a record?
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Paul on May 03, 2016, 12:46:29 AM
If mega participation is an aim of some people then an attempt at playing 20 versions simultaneously would also be a record?

That would be a feat and great to film it. :)
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: jungleboy on May 03, 2016, 03:32:16 AM
Imagine if a random person, having never played Carcassonne played all the spin-offs with us.  That would be a real achievement!
I'm not that keen on bringing all of my games somewhere public if the idea is to let random people join in (definitely made me nervous with all of my expansions in Rugby!), so we'd need some way to source them all.

I don't want to speak for Decar, but I think that was more of a 'What if...?' throw-away line rather than anything else. The event might attract some attention if it was held in a board game cafe or somewhere similar, but I don't think having random people playing with us would really be the intention.

If mega participation is an aim of some people then an attempt at playing 20 versions simultaneously would also be a record?

Personally, I'm not too keen on this version. I think having a small group of people playing every game consecutively is far more interesting and impressive than having a large group play each game simultaneously.

Some reasons why I favour keeping it small in terms of participants:

- It would be easier to manage.
- Everyone could focus on the one game (or 2/3 in the case of the Castle) that's going on. We already saw on Saturday how tracking even two tables became difficult. In some people's reports they noted that they had no idea what was happening on the other table (which is only natural, of course).
- It would be better for record-keeping and statistics. It would be fun to document the scores and see at the end of the day who won the most games, who had the highest score, what was the biggest margin of victory, etc etc. And if it's the same players for every game (again, Castle aside), that makes it so much more interesting. We could even swap meeple colours for each game and do stats on the colours. [Aside: I am a former sports statistician of sorts, so maybe I am into this more than most people...]
- Along the same lines, it would be better for photos and coverage.
- Not to try to sound anti-social, but I think with a smaller group, the sense of camaraderie and shared achievement would be greater.

Anyway, that's just what I think. It's good to have some different ideas though, and I think that since it's halfling's idea to begin with and since JT owns all the versions and has offered to use them, their views should carry the most weight.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: JT Atomico on May 03, 2016, 03:56:41 AM
I entirely agree with jungleboy. I was trying to collect my thoughts to post something along those lines but he has said it much more clearly than I could have done. :)

In particular, I agree that a small group of people playing through all of the games would be more enjoyable than a big group trying to coordinate multiple simultaneous games.

However, I do understand the particular objection to it being in an office (FWIW, it is a very nice office!). If it was somewhere relatively local like Draughts (or perhaps just a nearby pub) then I would be happy to bring my games along if it were only forum members taking part.

Who would be interested in this version of the event? From the thread so far it looks like me, Halfling, jungleboy and Curt194.

(Also, I'm not sure if people are being serious, but I very much doubt that this would be a qualifying Guinness World Record because it is strictly limited by the number of games that have been released. I'd be very happy for it to just be a Carcassonne Central Record :).)
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: jungleboy on May 11, 2016, 11:48:52 AM
Is there still any momentum for this?

If so, what are the issues to resolve?

- Date and place
- Format
- Possible sourcing of games

Anything else?
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Halfling on May 11, 2016, 01:34:34 PM
A list of participants. I guess up to 8 players with 2 games in play at all times. But date and location must be nailed first.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Paul on May 11, 2016, 02:57:37 PM
I would most certainly want to attend but able to commit with the hours is a lot tougher decision.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: JT Atomico on May 12, 2016, 12:29:09 AM
It looks like we might have four members actually wanting to come and commit to playing:

Perhaps we should ask others to confirm if they want to take part by the end of the weekend, then we could move to private messages to make plans from Monday (16th)?
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: jungleboy on May 12, 2016, 06:32:40 AM
Sounds good to me!


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Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Curt194 on May 12, 2016, 01:52:54 PM
Sounds good to me as well, I'm definitely still interested   :(y)
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Rich_The_Fish on May 12, 2016, 03:05:54 PM
I like the idea guys and am keen to play some more versions / spin-offs, but I would probably struggle to commit to such a marathon session if I'm honest. I hope that you manage to get things sorted and look forward to hearing about it.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: JT Atomico on May 12, 2016, 04:23:44 PM
Paul and Rich_The_Fish, we can keep you informed and you can decide how involved you want to be. :)

Decar, are you interested in this event in the format suggested? I wasn't sure from your posts on the thread whether you would only be interested in the mass-participation version.
Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Rosco on May 12, 2016, 10:58:06 PM
I am interested but it would depend massively on dates

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Title: Re: Alternative World Record Attempt 2016?
Post by: Decar on May 13, 2016, 01:30:05 PM
Decar, are you interested in this event in the format suggested? I wasn't sure from your posts on the thread whether you would only be interested in the mass-participation version.

Thanks; but I'll pass this time - Good luck with the challenge:
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